Vaulting

[Ruro]

-CT had some times when it just would NOT register a grab spot on a wall or something similar. To which you just jump at an area for a little bit looking stupid, then move an inch over and figure out it works now.

I noticed that too. Just try running sideway and grab onto a vents edge with a jump you will fail and just look like some kind of an acrobat who jumps sideways for attention.
The thing i really fear is that the controls would work too "perfectly" and the spy would just stick to anything that can be grabbed.

[Cronky]

That's indeed something that would need to be "Tested" (Seems like someone might get a kick out of this word), but as long as it's at least at the level of CT will be acceptable. Just would be NICE to have it be a little better.

[LennardF1989]

In theory: Yes, you can grab anything which has space for the spies hands and climb on anything that has the space for his body.

Though, that can be undesirable at times, therefore, at the mappers discretion, "Block EE"-volumes will be placed. Do mind though, we can't make half the map climbable, but not the other half, otherwise it will result in the same frustration as the ungrabable spots in CT, or the undestroyable buildings in BF:BC2, whereas the rest can be torn to pieces (so fuckin' frustrating!).

A guideline will have to be made like: In all maps, object X and Y are climbable, but under no circumstance, object C will be climbable.

[Cronky]

That makes sense, it's much like the psychology of game design.

If you make a certain piece always unclimbable, eventually the player will instinctively know that said object will never be climbable.

Just certain set pieces in CT were set poorly. Deftec is always my example, and that Train Car that had it's side against the Spy Spawn area was just a trouble spot because of it since the whole wall was an instant climb over (Instead of a climb atop) ledge. The box being in the way negated the whole thing.


...but that's just me rambling, trying not to just repeat what you said..

[Spekkio]

In theory: Yes, you can grab anything which has space for the spies hands and climb on anything that has the space for his body.

Though, that can be undesirable at times, therefore, at the mappers discretion, "Block EE"-volumes will be placed. Do mind though, we can't make half the map climbable, but not the other half, otherwise it will result in the same frustration as the ungrabable spots in CT, or the undestroyable buildings in BF:BC2, whereas the rest can be torn to pieces (so fuckin' frustrating!).

A guideline will have to be made like: In all maps, object X and Y are climbable, but under no circumstance, object C will be climbable.

You can solve this by requiring the player to hold in the jump key in order to grab a surface... similar to making it so that if a player approaches a rail and holds jump ==> spy hops over and sets up for rail grab. Player approaches rail and taps jump ==> spy just hops over and drops to lower level. Oh, and player drops to floor and holds Q ==> does landing roll. Player just holds movement key ==> no roll.

Autoroll and autograb are annoying as fuck, and anyone who willingly implements those into a game needs to be shot in the testicles.

The game should have as little automation as possible.

What would you guys do without me?

[MR.Mic]

Autoroll and autograb are annoying as fuck, and anyone who willingly implements those into a game needs to be shot in the testicles.

The game should have as little automation as possible.

Agree completely.

[LennardF1989]

Autoroll and autograb are annoying as fuck, and anyone who willingly implements those into a game needs to be shot in the testicles.

The game should have as little automation as possible.

Agree completely.

Did I say something wrong? I never said anything about adding automation, only holding a specific key to do something in one move (instead of having to tap at the right moment), which you illustrated perfectly in a more concrete way.

[MulleDK19]

Autoroll and autograb are annoying as fuck, and anyone who willingly implements those into a game needs to be shot in the testicles.

The game should have as little automation as possible.

Agree completely.

Did I say something wrong? I never said anything about adding automation, only holding a specific key to do something in one move (instead of having to tap at the right moment), which you illustrated perfectly in a more concrete way.

Ya, I like the way it works in Assassin's Creed / Batman: Arkham Asylum, etc.

[monterto]

Autoroll and autograb are annoying as fuck, and anyone who willingly implements those into a game needs to be shot in the testicles.

The game should have as little automation as possible.

Agree completely.