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Title: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: frvge on April 24, 2008, 01:58:57 AM
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
ETA T minus 46 hours
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on April 24, 2008, 02:14:33 AM
YAAAY.... why not 48, as usual?

edit: FIRST POST!! :P
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Overstatement on April 24, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
You're going to see some chairs that will blow your mind.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Ion.67 on April 24, 2008, 02:35:21 AM
This is really close to the last one. Who do I owe sex to for this?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 24, 2008, 02:38:21 AM
Man...  What a great time to be psyched for PS.   :o
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gui Brazil on April 24, 2008, 03:05:37 AM
We did some INCREDIBLE AWESOME LOOKING ants, fungus and bacterias that had to be shown off, so frvge decided to make another tick tock to show how awesome those tiny little microscopical things that you'll never see ingame look like!
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 24, 2008, 03:08:16 AM
 :-X
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 24, 2008, 03:09:23 AM
46 hours because I posted at 2am. And that's too late :P So I made it go at 24:00. That saves me 2 hours.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 24, 2008, 03:44:18 AM
This is really close to the last one. Who do I owe sex to for this?

Me and Theo...

The rest of the team basically sat in their computer chairs and wanked off.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gui Brazil on April 24, 2008, 03:47:00 AM
This is really close to the last one. Who do I owe sex to for this?

Me and Theo...

The rest of the team basically sat in their computer chairs and wanked off.

Because we worked to get our work done while you wanked so now we could wank while you would work!

that's so much wanking and working together..
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Ion.67 on April 24, 2008, 04:24:39 AM
This is really close to the last one. Who do I owe sex to for this?

Me and Theo...

The rest of the team basically sat in their computer chairs and wanked off.

Because we worked to get our work done while you wanked so now we could wank and while you would work!

that's so much wankig and working together..

Hmm, I will give you all a fair amount of sex I guess.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 24, 2008, 07:42:01 AM
ROFL
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Westfall on April 24, 2008, 08:12:15 AM
This is really close to the last one. Who do I owe sex to for this?

Me and Theo...

The rest of the team basically sat in their computer chairs and wanked off.

Because we worked to get our work done while you wanked so now we could wank and while you would work!

that's so much wankig and working together..

Sounds like the good ole days aye Gui?

Folks, there going to be a small delay of this because I wanked on Zeds keyboard. But you didn't hear that shiat from me.

EXCITED
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Theodore W on April 24, 2008, 09:19:42 AM
This is really close to the last one. Who do I owe sex to for this?

Me and Theo...

The rest of the team basically sat in their computer chairs and wanked off.

Because we worked to get our work done while you wanked so now we could wank and while you would work!

that's so much wankig and working together..

Hmm, I will give you all a fair amount of sex I guess.


Great, lets meet up, I will be the one nailing koala heads onto the wall.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: neth on April 24, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
I think I know what we will see in this tick tock. I thought about it for hours and discussed it with friends. Since Theodore is responsible for music, he will show us...music ! Im still not sure what Zed will show. Others say he's pretty useless to the team, so I wouldnt count for much.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on April 24, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
Music = ~40% of the games 'feel', so it'd better be good.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gawain on April 24, 2008, 11:39:07 AM
i'm hoping for some more beta map screenshots or a layout =)
i don't think they'll post music cause it depends that much on taste and the risk of ending in a flame war would be too high lolz.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Xris on April 24, 2008, 01:36:05 PM
SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe they will post GUI / HUD screens.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Cyntrox on April 24, 2008, 03:07:54 PM
i don't think they'll post music cause it depends that much on taste and the risk of ending in a flame war would be too high lolz.
They'll have to release it eventually :P
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 24, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
Im hoping for some UI screens. We've seen models and concepts already ^^,
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 24, 2008, 04:00:42 PM
Im still not sure what Zed will show. Others say he's pretty useless to the team, so I wouldnt count for much.
Muhahahahaha.... *takes away a tear*
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gui Brazil on April 24, 2008, 05:50:17 PM
Im still not sure what Zed will show. Others say he's pretty useless to the team, so I wouldnt count for much.

Yeah, Zed is our useless biatch.


Yeah right..
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 24, 2008, 06:24:41 PM
Yeah Gui, he is right.  :D

I'd like to hear the music, but I'd rather see screenshots.  Either way I'll be happy because I know it's gonna be good!
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Xris on April 24, 2008, 06:59:00 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Why isn't friday here yet ...   :(

EDIT: OMG maybe Mr. Mic has one of the other vision vids done.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 24, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
I think I know what we will see in this tick tock. I thought about it for hours and discussed it with friends. Since Theodore is responsible for music, he will show us...music ! Im still not sure what Zed will show. Others say he's pretty useless to the team, so I wouldnt count for much.

Yes this is true. These 'Others' you speak of tell nothing but 100% Truth. All it is is a video of me dancing to some of Theo's music.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 24, 2008, 07:24:19 PM
Yes this is true. These 'Others' you speak of tell nothing but 100% Truth. All it is is a video of me dancing to some of Theo's music.

Omg... this topic is way too funny, lock it already! :P
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 24, 2008, 08:38:15 PM
NOES
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: neth on April 24, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
I think I know what we will see in this tick tock. I thought about it for hours and discussed it with friends. Since Theodore is responsible for music, he will show us...music ! Im still not sure what Zed will show. Others say he's pretty useless to the team, so I wouldnt count for much.

Yes this is true. These 'Others' you speak of tell nothing but 100% Truth. All it is is a video of me dancing to some of Theo's music.

I've got nothing against, if you look like this chick in your signature.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 24, 2008, 09:19:11 PM
I think I know what we will see in this tick tock. I thought about it for hours and discussed it with friends. Since Theodore is responsible for music, he will show us...music ! Im still not sure what Zed will show. Others say he's pretty useless to the team, so I wouldnt count for much.

Yes this is true. These 'Others' you speak of tell nothing but 100% Truth. All it is is a video of me dancing to some of Theo's music.

I've got nothing against, if you look like this chick in your signature.
Or the tatoo?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 24, 2008, 10:06:10 PM
Big question, will Frvge do his famous time-lapse as always because even he himself cannot contain content without getting too excited ;)
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 24, 2008, 10:09:18 PM
I dont feel like it this time. Harhar
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: BurningDeath on April 24, 2008, 11:22:01 PM
FRIDGE!


edit: 00:00
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 25, 2008, 12:01:56 AM
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
ETA T minus 23:57 hours
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 25, 2008, 01:13:44 AM
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
*USER t1d3n8ur4 GAINED ACCESS
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
*t1d3n8ur4 SET USER MODE *FULLACCESS*
FORCED TIME WARP DETECTED: *Recalibrating sensory perception data*
ETA T minus 0:57 hours
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
*t1d3n8ur4 SET USER frvge MODE *LIMITED*
*USER t1d3n8ur4 DISCONNECTED
Tick... tock... tick... tock...

Your move. ;D
lawl im teh 1337 haXor
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 25, 2008, 01:21:51 AM
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
*USER Zedblade Logged On
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
*Zedblade SET  TO AWESOME*
FORCE TIME INTO BLACK HOLE MODE *Recalibrating sensory perception data*
ETA T minus FOREVER
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
*Zedblade SET FOOT IN t1d3n8ur4's FACE
*USER t1d3n8ur4 DEAD
Tick... tock... tick... tock...
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 25, 2008, 01:22:47 AM
*cries*

and also this language is not logical at all  ^^,
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 25, 2008, 01:59:48 AM
Seriously?  I followed that like my native tongue.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Ion.67 on April 25, 2008, 05:28:12 AM
Tick tock tick tock
*Gives Sex to team*


And we are done.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Theodore W on April 25, 2008, 06:56:37 AM
All it is is a video of me dancing to some of Theo's music.

Its actually me and Zed doing some taxidermy, and being chased by stoned hippies.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 25, 2008, 06:11:18 PM
All it is is a video of me dancing to some of Theo's music.

Its actually me and Zed doing some taxidermy, and being chased by stoned hippies.
??? what is the actual countdown?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 25, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
I'm guessing like 10 more hours, unless Ion's sex was good enough to lower the timer.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Ion.67 on April 25, 2008, 06:13:29 PM
I sure hope so. Otherwise, it was just for fun.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Xris on April 25, 2008, 06:59:05 PM
The time should be approx. 5pm EST so 4 hrs to go

EDIT: 6pm EST 5hrs to go
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: iservealot on April 25, 2008, 08:26:58 PM
GMO I love tick tock threads!

I like tick tack better though. haha
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on April 25, 2008, 09:03:07 PM
3 hours to go.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Xris on April 25, 2008, 09:05:18 PM
GMO ... lol  ;D
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 26, 2008, 12:12:33 AM
Tick...tock...tick...tock...

Booting data transmission system.
POST check... OK
Running unit tests... OK
Opening socket...OK
Securing socket... OK
Synching with data server... OK
Fetching comments... OK

Displaying comments: "Please do not stream. Use Right-click+Save As."

Transmitting data:

Sending data chunk #1:
Lakehouse Teaser - Project Stealth (http://www.projectstealthgame.com/public/video/PS-Lakehouse_Teaser.wmv) (59MB)

Mirrors:
Lakehouse Teaser - ModDB.com (http://www.moddb.com/mods/9033/project-stealth/videos/88445/lakehouse-teaser)

Closing data stream... OK
Closing socket... OK
Destructing resources... OK

Shutting down system
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Aj on April 26, 2008, 12:19:54 AM
Crap.  It's only downloading @64kB/s on a T3 connection. :/

The connection at college is horrid during the day because of everyone on it. :(

I'll download it tonight since it's only 59MB.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: I <3 U on April 26, 2008, 12:20:49 AM
FR33M4N STEALS FIRST TICK TOCK COMMENT AFTER TICK TOCK COMPLETION!

FR33M4N IS CONFUSED.

FR33M4N WAITS FOR VIDEO TO FINISH DOWNLOADING

FR33M4N WONDERS WHAT HE'LL SEE

FR33M4N CREAMS

FR33M4N CONGRATS ZED & EVERYONE ELSE WHOS WORKED ON THE MAP

FR33M4N CLEANS UP AND LEAVES.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 26, 2008, 12:21:48 AM
I know I was 14 minutes late, but there was this documentary on TV.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gawain on April 26, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
wow. just wow.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 12:27:35 AM
...Downloading...   :o
ca.. can.. can't wait <<<  :'(
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on April 26, 2008, 12:34:35 AM
Great, i love the animation of the spy at the end. SOOOOO FLUUUUID
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: a3c0i3d on April 26, 2008, 12:38:52 AM
omg WOW! dunno what else to say, rly impressed!
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 12:46:25 AM
WOW :o
"No merc has been hurt during this video. Do not try this at home."  ;D
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 26, 2008, 12:47:10 AM
Small subtle hint: Watch our uber cool PS font!

If you look closely, this video is like a 5 (more?) in 1 tick tock. I'll only reveal the font and the level now.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tinweasele on April 26, 2008, 12:53:14 AM
wait, ive seen this before... thats right it was in the BETA of some other game.... cant remember its name... oh right its the CT beta we played until our eyes bled.  very pretty but not very wow considering you are making your own game.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Cyntrox on April 26, 2008, 01:02:08 AM
Downloading... How big is the file?

Edit: To answer my own question: About 60 mb... And oh, the map looks awesome! And I love how much more brutal the grabbing animation seems than a certain other Stealth-action Multiplayer game...
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 01:08:15 AM
wait, ive seen this before... thats right it was in the BETA of some other game.... cant remember its name... oh right its the CT beta we played until our eyes bled.  very pretty but not very wow considering you are making your own game.

It's been established since the beginning of PS that our first map was going to be a Remake of Clubhouse so we would be able to slowly slide into the waters of MOD making, rather then Jumping right in with eyes closed.

Besides other then the Main Entrence and the very basics of the Layout, it's going to be a completely different map.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 26, 2008, 01:20:45 AM
OMG that was incredible. The map was insane! Mega Kudos to all the team, im downloading the video now but shit that was wicked. The merc at the end looked really wierd for some reason :S Was there any shading on the two?

Music is top notch aswell, had a very SC feel.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Ion.67 on April 26, 2008, 01:28:33 AM
The merc looked...horrendous. What happened?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 01:31:31 AM
The merc looked...horrendous. What happened?

Low-Res textures. Remember, keep the video's 2nd opening sentence in mind.

The Merc may not look as good as he can, but it by no means looks horrendous. You are exaggerating.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Tidenburg on April 26, 2008, 01:33:24 AM
II couldn't really all of it because of the shading but I have two questions Zed, first, in the port room with the boat is there a staircase at the end of the upper walkway? Second, there is a closed door downstairs and another in the 3rd room you enter, do they open or are they just parts of the decor?

:edit:
And I agree with ion that map was actually beautiful to look at and then the spies and merc (moreso with the merc) looked so out of place, why not use the highest possible when you're showing a trailer?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 01:37:21 AM
II couldn't really all of it because of the shading but I have two questions Zed, first, in the port room with the boat is there a staircase at the end of the upper walkway? Second, there is a closed door downstairs and another in the 3rd room you enter, do they open or are they just parts of the decor?



:edit:
And I agree with ion that map was actually beautiful to look at and then the spies and merc (moreso with the merc) looked so out of place, why not use the highest possible when you're showing a trailer?

Yes there are stairs, and about 90% of the closed doors are only placeholder visual blockers so you couldn't see into unfinished parts of the map.

Edit:
The DEV team never mentioned it and I never thought about it. Seriously, it's not that big of a deal and wasn't something we would have fixed for a few second animation done specifically for the teaser.

In the End, it has more to do with texture popping then anything. I didn't give it enough time to let everything stream in before I started recording the video.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 26, 2008, 01:38:20 AM
Omg...

That's all.

Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.

Incredible work though, great job guys!!!

1 more thing!  I noticed that above the spy there were a few directional signs telling where certain parts of the map were.  Awesome.  Very noob friendly but not annoying for vets.  Also, in those directions, there was a sign pointing toward a theater/stage.  I'm guessing there will be some sort of stage then.  ;D  Can't wait to see that!
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 01:48:02 AM
Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.

That would be impossible, since there are no final spy/merc versions.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 26, 2008, 01:49:42 AM
What?  Aren't the finished spies/finished merc models the final spies/mercs?  What more work needs to be done on them?  Just textures I presume?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 01:52:55 AM
What?  Aren't the finished spies/finished merc models the final spies/mercs?  What more work needs to be done on them?  Just textures I presume?

Having a final version in Maya, is not having a final version in Unreal.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 01:56:47 AM
What?  Aren't the finished spies/finished merc models the final spies/mercs?  What more work needs to be done on them?  Just textures I presume?

Having a final version in Maya, is not having a final version in Unreal.
May you tell us the difference?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 26, 2008, 02:01:24 AM
The reason why the Spy and Merc look different, is because the glow of the Merc's visor isn't implemented in UT3 yet. There are some artifacts, but generally that's just small stuff. The Spy looks better in-game IMO. Probably has to do with the lighting, but Zed is the expert on that.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 02:03:59 AM
The reason why the Spy and Merc look different, is because the glow of the Merc's visor isn't implemented in UT3 yet. There are some artifacts, but generally that's just small stuff. The Spy looks better in-game IMO. Probably has to do with the lighting, but Zed is the expert on that.
This is a really good point thought. Yeah I found the merc strange due to his visor lol. It's promising then ^^, good luck Zed.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 02:07:46 AM
The reason why the Spy and Merc look different, is because the glow of the Merc's visor isn't implemented in UT3 yet. There are some artifacts, but generally that's just small stuff. The Spy looks better in-game IMO. Probably has to do with the lighting, but Zed is the expert on that.

The Merc's visor has nothing to do with the reason people are saying the Merc looks bad. They would have said the same thing about the Spy if you saw more of it. But since the Merc was front row center, it was more easily noticeable. Now that I look at it, I do notice the low-res textures on the body and figuring that out before hand would have helped. However, like the video says, this is pre-alpha and does not indicate final quality.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Vega on April 26, 2008, 02:17:31 AM
Amazing video.  I loved it.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 02:20:55 AM
The reason why the Spy and Merc look different, is because the glow of the Merc's visor isn't implemented in UT3 yet. There are some artifacts, but generally that's just small stuff. The Spy looks better in-game IMO. Probably has to do with the lighting, but Zed is the expert on that.

The Merc's visor has nothing to do with the reason people are saying the Merc looks bad. They would have said the same thing about the Spy if you saw more of it. But since the Merc was front row center, it was more easily noticeable. Now that I look at it, I do notice the low-res textures on the body and figuring that out before hand would have helped. However, like the video says, this is pre-alpha and does not indicate final quality.
Hmm, it's my only reason lol, but as you said it's just a Pre-Alpha and it already looks gorgeous  ;D

< Zed, why have you changed your sig? >
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Xris on April 26, 2008, 02:42:01 AM
Amazing, wish the grab was a lil longer, can't wait to see the rest of the map
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: HeroFromHyrule on April 26, 2008, 04:31:28 AM
Something told me to come here and see if there was anything new.  I'm really glad I did.

Excellent video.  The map is looking very interesting.  It still feels like clubhouse, but it has its own take on the map.  Great job.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 26, 2008, 06:54:52 AM
What?  Aren't the finished spies/finished merc models the final spies/mercs?  What more work needs to be done on them?  Just textures I presume?

Having a final version in Maya, is not having a final version in Unreal.

Really?  I thought you could just directly port it into the engine or something.  I know all you programmers/modelers and such will laugh at that.   But could you tell us a difference?

It's not the visor btw, it's just the overall look, textures look bad - looks like an old game.  But the map looks beautiful and the animation was superb, so was the music.  I know it's pre-alpha so I can expect to see a better looking spy/merc in the final version obviously. 
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Westfall on April 26, 2008, 08:37:21 AM
great video of the map.

Spy grabbing the merc looked like he was hugging him. He grabbed him in the mid chest region. Are the animations actually done for the grab?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 09:14:22 AM
great video of the map.

Spy grabbing the merc looked like he was hugging him. He grabbed him in the mid chest region. Are the animations actually done for the grab?

The initial animation was longer, and it shows the Spy grabbing onto the Mercs vest and using it as leverage to break the neck. It never occured to me that it might look like the spy is hugging the merc without seeing the whole thing.. and it still doesn't. I think you are the one that needs a hug and are just seeing things.

Oh and no, the animation for the grab isn't done... no animations are. At all.

This comes back to the no final Version in Unreal I brought up earlier. We have had the rig re-done like three times, the final Materials haven't been built and frankly, the character package is a freaking mess.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gawain on April 26, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
yeah, in comparision with the high quality of the map, the merc and spy looked fugly. the signs "dock", "dining room" etc look pretty bad, too.
i really like what you guys did with club, the athmosphere is awesome and since the map is created by zed, i'm pretty confident the balance will be, too. i can't wait to see some layout =)
btw, what happens when a merc or spy falls into the water? (or is that impossible?)
EDIT: watched animation more closely and it probably only looks bad because it's in slow-motion showing only the very fist part of the grabbing animation.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: ray mysertio on April 26, 2008, 10:26:38 AM
all the work is really solid and basically perfect , but im sure you level designers noticed the odd lighting present , just making sure you seen it too .

light fixtures such as lamp covers full bright with almost no ambient light and not even remotely close amount of light being emitted by the object as a light source .

some pictures on the wall are fully lit while in a pretty much pitch black room .

otherwise great work , spooky and interesting , with a proven layout design adaptation , GJ
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 10:28:33 AM
all the work is really solid and basically perfect , but im sure you level designers noticed the odd lighting present , just making sure you seen it too .

light fixtures such as lamp covers full bright with almost no ambient light and no light being emitted by the object as a light source .

some pictures on the wall are fully lit while in a pretty much pitch black room .

otherwise great work , spooky and interesting , with a proven layout design adaptation , GJ
pre-alpha
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: neth on April 26, 2008, 10:28:40 AM
Map looks absolutely great, it will be pure fun to play it. I like the neck animation (the part that was shown), it seems to be very detailed and violent. Music is very calm but it also gives you this feeling that something unexpected and sudden may happen in any second.
I'm not going to criticize the model appearance cause, in opposite to others, I know what "WORK IN PROGRESS" means.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: ray mysertio on April 26, 2008, 10:56:58 AM
oh you got the wrong iddea , not criticisms at all and i know its pre alpha but noone would gain a thing if people saw someone working , noticed mistakes and said nothing about them , i was hinting to them not by any means criticising .
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gawain on April 26, 2008, 11:44:11 AM
was the background music created by theodore?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Theodore W on April 26, 2008, 11:48:40 AM
Yes, the piece is called "3 Fingerprints". The teaser has about 40% of the track.

Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Xan on April 26, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
Just a post of general praise, but i loved the music and the style of the map. I wasn't a massive fan of the logo before but i thought the animated version was superb, so excellent work whoever was responsible for that.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: ray mysertio on April 26, 2008, 12:01:32 PM
yeah a thought occured to me , anyone seen the movie " shooter" ?

the farmhouse map looks like a hyped up version of that same scenario kind of , you know , afterr they went to walmart and bought all the gas and explosives and spray paint lol. sheesh ya think someone would have said " youre not planning to hurt anyone with this stuff , are ya? "

in some sort of way its similar , but is way nicer in the video .
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 26, 2008, 12:17:46 PM
Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.
What the fuck does it matter, we have our own reasons todo that and there is no reason the explain that to any of you. Live with it.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: neth on April 26, 2008, 12:19:13 PM
To Zedblade or anyone. Is the map close to complete ? How much work/time you need to do it and whats most time consuming thing you have to do there.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
To Zedblade or anyone. Is the map close to complete ? How much work/time you need to do it and whats most time consuming thing you have to do there.

Overall, about 47% complete.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 12:26:04 PM

some pictures on the wall are fully lit while in a pretty much pitch black room .


Something you can't see because of the camera's movement is the track lighting on the ceiling with three spotlights lighting up the paintings. So the light is comming from somewhere. Other then that I agree, I'm probably going to do a complete re-lighting when I can.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Theodore W on April 26, 2008, 03:45:30 PM
what happens when a merc or spy falls into the water?

They turn into Allison Macks  :D
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 04:05:27 PM
what happens when a merc or spy falls into the water?

They turn into Allison Macks  :D

That would be awesome.

Actually, it's not going to be possible to fall into the water. You will be able to transition directly from dock to boat and back onto dock again. And yes, one of the boats is big enough to allow you to go inside...
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 04:48:58 PM
what happens when a merc or spy falls into the water?

They turn into Allison Macks  :D

That would be awesome.

Actually, it's not going to be possible to fall into the water. You will be able to transition directly from dock to boat and back onto dock again. And yes, one of the boats is big enough to allow you to go inside...
Did you mean swimming?
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: frvge on April 26, 2008, 04:57:47 PM
No. You can't touch the water.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Hyrage on April 26, 2008, 05:03:40 PM
No. You can't touch the water.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a water zone on the ground... and when you walk in it you can see water foot step like in PT or CT?

I think that thsi feature was awesome  :D and a way ahead many other games... and even the future.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: iservealot on April 26, 2008, 06:17:04 PM
Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.
What the fuck does it matter, we have our own reasons todo that and there is no reason the explain that to any of you. Live with it.

maybe cuz it's still a wip? lol

On another note, I LOVE Theo's music. It's really gives it that over the top feeling.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Gui Brazil on April 26, 2008, 06:35:16 PM
Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.
What the fuck does it matter, we have our own reasons todo that and there is no reason the explain that to any of you. Live with it.

Haha, thank god you're not our PR guy, Lennard. ;)
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: neth on April 26, 2008, 07:34:49 PM
nice avatar, Gui :)
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: tigaer on April 26, 2008, 07:39:14 PM
fuck
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: frvge on April 26, 2008, 07:40:39 PM
tigaer... there's no point in only posting 'fuck'... smells like spam to me. Stop it, thank you.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Bubbaganoosh on April 26, 2008, 07:56:30 PM
Very very nice guys. I think you guys have alot of talent and this is shaping up to be something pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Xris on April 26, 2008, 08:07:35 PM

some pictures on the wall are fully lit while in a pretty much pitch black room .

Something you can't see because of the camera's movement is the track lighting on the ceiling with three spotlights lighting up the paintings. So the light is comming from somewhere. Other then that I agree, I'm probably going to do a complete re-lighting when I can.

I noticed the track lighting the second time i saw it, b4 u mentioned it. :)
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 26, 2008, 08:52:49 PM
Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.
What the fuck does it matter, we have our own reasons todo that and there is no reason the explain that to any of you. Live with it.

Damn, chill out, lol.   :D

I thought they were done and I was corrected, my bad.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on April 26, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
I just thought the mercs skin was oddly pale. Like worse than me, and im quite pale^^.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 26, 2008, 10:18:01 PM
Here's a thought:

Why don't you make it so that there is shallow water (a foot or two) you can fall into?  Like the dock leads over a shallow bit and then it gets too deep to fall into?  Once you reach the point on the dock where the boat is parked, you can't go any further in the water.  Of course there would have to be a little ramp that leads in and out of the water then so mercs can get out and back on land.  It would feel a lot less restricted that way.  Any dev, or zed, want to confirm if that's possible?  Would you consider it?

Also, would you like to elaborate what purpose the theater would serve, or what it would be like?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 26, 2008, 11:22:55 PM
Here's a thought:

Why don't you make it so that there is shallow water (a foot or two) you can fall into?  Like the dock leads over a shallow bit and then it gets too deep to fall into?  Once you reach the point on the dock where the boat is parked, you can't go any further in the water.  Of course there would have to be a little ramp that leads in and out of the water then so mercs can get out and back on land.  It would feel a lot less restricted that way.  Any dev, or zed, want to confirm if that's possible?  Would you consider it?

Also, would you like to elaborate what purpose the theater would serve, or what it would be like?

Thanks...

I"m not going to redo a complicated section of the map just so you can prance through water. Sure It's 'possible' but I'm not goign to consider it.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 27, 2008, 12:27:06 AM
Not really.  It was awesome, but I wish you would have used the final merc/spy versions for the trailer.
What the fuck does it matter, we have our own reasons todo that and there is no reason the explain that to any of you. Live with it.

Damn, chill out, lol.   :D

I thought they were done and I was corrected, my bad.
Nah, the finished versions are ownage. And if that sound too serious, than my bad. I think I should start using sarcasm tags or even more smilies, but then again, we do have our reasons to keep them low-res now ;)
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 27, 2008, 02:07:17 AM
Understood^  Lennard, my master. 

Quote
I"m not going to redo a complicated section of the map just so you can prance through water. Sure It's 'possible' but I'm not goign to consider it.

Oh ok, gotcha.  Have anything to say about the theater section of the map?  Sounds interesting to me, hopefully we could sneak through each row of seats.  :-*

Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on April 27, 2008, 12:28:34 PM
hey, don't you dare stealing our cinema gameplay ^^
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 27, 2008, 06:25:39 PM
Haha that's one of the reasons I was asking about it.

We Can Haz TOO THEeturs!?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Tidenburg on April 27, 2008, 06:32:41 PM
I want that music as my windows startup sound ^^,
Will you ever do soundtrack downloads like other games or is it strictly in-game and no outside release. ME WANT!
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on April 27, 2008, 07:05:28 PM
it kinda reminded me of the cube soundtrack XD
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 28, 2008, 12:54:53 AM
I want that music as my windows startup sound ^^,
Will you ever do soundtrack downloads like other games or is it strictly in-game and no outside release. ME WANT!

That's up to Theo.
Title: Re: Guess what... Tick Tock!
Post by: Westfall on April 28, 2008, 07:18:23 AM
great video of the map.

Spy grabbing the merc looked like he was hugging him. He grabbed him in the mid chest region. Are the animations actually done for the grab?

The initial animation was longer, and it shows the Spy grabbing onto the Mercs vest and using it as leverage to break the neck. It never occured to me that it might look like the spy is hugging the merc without seeing the whole thing.. and it still doesn't. I think you are the one that needs a hug and are just seeing things.

I've watched it a few times now, and I can see how hes grabbing the chest to get a hold of the forehead. I guess I'm thinking more shoulder-neck height for the grab, as opposed to this view. Having problems handling critique Zed? I'll hug you.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Theodore W on April 28, 2008, 08:09:42 AM
I will see what we can do when the proper ps site is ready.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: neth on April 28, 2008, 12:25:43 PM
Westfall, I've realised here that showing work in progress to people is completely rubbish idea because they cricitize every single thing they can. The worst thing is that if they saw this game as a final product, they wouldn't even care about details such as - "the part of chest where spy holds his right hand while breaking the neck" or "I don't like spy fishnets!". I mean come on, its heading towards the complete absurdity, just deal with the fact that when someone makes his own game, he introduces his own vision.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on April 28, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
some criticism may lead to a better game. it's not that the devs couln't handle it, they're major enough.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 28, 2008, 07:03:30 PM
great video of the map.

Spy grabbing the merc looked like he was hugging him. He grabbed him in the mid chest region. Are the animations actually done for the grab?

The initial animation was longer, and it shows the Spy grabbing onto the Mercs vest and using it as leverage to break the neck. It never occured to me that it might look like the spy is hugging the merc without seeing the whole thing.. and it still doesn't. I think you are the one that needs a hug and are just seeing things.

I've watched it a few times now, and I can see how hes grabbing the chest to get a hold of the forehead. I guess I'm thinking more shoulder-neck height for the grab, as opposed to this view. Having problems handling critique Zed? I'll hug you.

While I did the animation, I never claimed to be an animator and I'm shocked to my balls that people are praising it just a little. I expected OMFG ANIMATION SUCKS THIS GAME SUCK BLAHBLALB

Oh and I do need a hug, just not from you!
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Westfall on April 28, 2008, 07:07:22 PM
great video of the map.

Spy grabbing the merc looked like he was hugging him. He grabbed him in the mid chest region. Are the animations actually done for the grab?

The initial animation was longer, and it shows the Spy grabbing onto the Mercs vest and using it as leverage to break the neck. It never occured to me that it might look like the spy is hugging the merc without seeing the whole thing.. and it still doesn't. I think you are the one that needs a hug and are just seeing things.

I've watched it a few times now, and I can see how hes grabbing the chest to get a hold of the forehead. I guess I'm thinking more shoulder-neck height for the grab, as opposed to this view. Having problems handling critique Zed? I'll hug you.

While I did the animation, I never claimed to be an animator and I'm shocked to my balls that people are praising it just a little. I expected OMFG ANIMATION SUCKS THIS GAME SUCK BLAHBLALB

Oh and I do need a hug, just not from you!

Guess I didn't see the praising, but I did see how no one said it sucked. And I wouldn't give you a hug anyways. Just a way to lure your self-pity, etc. But just remember, that pillow of yours won't help.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 28, 2008, 10:47:07 PM
*LennardF1989 pretends to be Allison Mack, hugs Zedblade and sticks out tongue to Westfall
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 29, 2008, 05:10:51 AM
*LennardF1989 pretends to be Allison Mack, hugs Zedblade and sticks out tongue to Westfall

Don't even joke like that, you are disrespecting the awesomeness that is Allison Mack...


I keel you!
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Westfall on April 29, 2008, 06:13:15 AM
*LennardF1989 pretends to be Allison Mack, hugs Zedblade and sticks out tongue to Westfall

Don't even joke like that, you are disrespecting the awesomeness that is Allison Mack...


I keel you!

That other chick seemed more angelic.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 29, 2008, 06:24:24 AM
*LennardF1989 pretends to be Allison Mack, hugs Zedblade and sticks out tongue to Westfall

Don't even joke like that, you are disrespecting the awesomeness that is Allison Mack...


I keel you!

That other chick seemed more angelic.

Oh shes up there, but in the end It's a tie between Allison mack and Alyson hannigan...

Besides you know nothing.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gui Brazil on April 29, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on April 29, 2008, 07:59:04 PM
How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(

Hillary duff does deathmetal. I would so watch that. :P
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 29, 2008, 08:14:17 PM
How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(

Doesn't mean I don't listen to Heavy Metal the majority of the time.

AND

This has gotten way off topic so lets stop.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Vega on April 29, 2008, 09:18:02 PM
this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on April 29, 2008, 11:04:23 PM
this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: LennardF1989 on April 29, 2008, 11:24:04 PM
On-Topicness!
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 30, 2008, 01:36:04 AM
this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

Amen to that.

How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(

This has gotten way off topic so lets stop.


I agree that the other girl (Asia Argento) Is 'hotter' is the traditional sense, however for my personal tastes, I find Allison Mack to be more attractive... if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 30, 2008, 01:54:03 AM
It makes sense, but it makes no sense to put her on your sig for personal reasons when we all know that the whole community was using your past sig for other reasons. :D  Just kidding of course, I hope I'm wrong at least.

Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Westfall on April 30, 2008, 06:34:34 AM
this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

Amen to that.

How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(

This has gotten way off topic so lets stop.


I agree that the other girl (Asia Argento) Is 'hotter' is the traditional sense, however for my personal tastes, I find Allison Mack to be more attractive... if that makes any sense.

If thats true than you could never say "besides you know nothing". I know the difference between a hot chick, a moderate lookin chick, an ugly chick, and a fugly chick. It's to bad your pic is an ugly pic of her you know? I know plenty Zed...

Sorry to stay off-topic. Guess I didn't feel like someone telling me I knew nothing. Thats just craziness. Especially lookin at the source ;) <3
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on April 30, 2008, 11:34:49 AM
Allison Mack is cute, the other dark haired chick is hot.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 30, 2008, 07:22:54 PM
this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

Amen to that.

How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(

This has gotten way off topic so lets stop.


I agree that the other girl (Asia Argento) Is 'hotter' is the traditional sense, however for my personal tastes, I find Allison Mack to be more attractive... if that makes any sense.

If thats true than you could never say "besides you know nothing". I know the difference between a hot chick, a moderate lookin chick, an ugly chick, and a fugly chick. It's to bad your pic is an ugly pic of her you know? I know plenty Zed...

Sorry to stay off-topic. Guess I didn't feel like someone telling me I knew nothing. Thats just craziness. Especially lookin at the source ;) <3

You take things to seriously, I was obviously joking around with you. This is the reason we couldn't work things out and remain lovers. Lighten up.

Allison Mack is cute, the other dark haired chick is hot.

Darked hair chick = Asia Argento

Asia Argento and Mia Kirshner are my dark haired goddesses. Yeah I said it.

OMG STAY ON-TOPIC AWESOME MAP WHOEVER DID IT IS AWESOME PS RULESS!!11
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on April 30, 2008, 09:46:56 PM
this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

this allison mack girl isn't nearly as hot as your last chick.  Bring back the dark-haired chick.

Amen to that.

How can you be the heavy metal jesus if you listen to Hillary Duff? :(

This has gotten way off topic so lets stop.


I agree that the other girl (Asia Argento) Is 'hotter' is the traditional sense, however for my personal tastes, I find Allison Mack to be more attractive... if that makes any sense.

If thats true than you could never say "besides you know nothing". I know the difference between a hot chick, a moderate lookin chick, an ugly chick, and a fugly chick. It's to bad your pic is an ugly pic of her you know? I know plenty Zed...

Sorry to stay off-topic. Guess I didn't feel like someone telling me I knew nothing. Thats just craziness. Especially lookin at the source ;) <3

You take things to seriously, I was obviously joking around with you. This is the reason we couldn't work things out and remain lovers. Lighten up.

Allison Mack is cute, the other dark haired chick is hot.

Darked hair chick = Asia Argento

Asia Argento and Mia Kirshner are my dark haired goddesses. Yeah I said it.

OMG STAY ON-TOPIC AWESOME MAP WHOEVER DID IT IS AWESOME PS RULESS!!11

haha, just googled Mia Krishner, Asia Argento owns all 3 of Zeds 'bitches'. But jessica alba tottally pwns everyone.

Nice map btw
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on April 30, 2008, 10:11:57 PM
Jessica Alba is a no talent, overrated slut.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on April 30, 2008, 11:40:34 PM
Jessica Alba is a no talent, overrated slut.
+1
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on April 30, 2008, 11:40:47 PM
Jessica Alba is a no talent, overrated slut.

She still insanely hot. Atleast she doesn't have a homebrew porno vid yet.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on April 30, 2008, 11:55:40 PM
yes she has: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)  :o
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: I <3 U on May 01, 2008, 12:25:42 AM
yes she has: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)  :o

Hahahah, if you actually watch the bartender in that vid he plays 3 different part, and he's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: LennardF1989 on May 01, 2008, 01:15:19 AM
Ok, enough funtalk now, could we (including me, yes) get back on-topic please?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on May 01, 2008, 04:51:31 AM
Yeah, what was up with the neck crack noise?  I'm sure that wasn't final, but it sounds like bubble packaging being popped a bit.  :D  Very subtle though, kinda like it.  It would be pretty effective - a totally silent kill.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Hyrage on May 01, 2008, 05:34:15 AM
Seriously, the quality of the trailer is jawdropping and I can't wait the to the next one ^^. Gimme a slap in the face  ;D

But not like this please... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O034qmUUjA)
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: frvge on May 01, 2008, 05:39:48 PM
*slaps around*

On-topic
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on May 02, 2008, 12:06:39 AM
Ohhh, shit.  :o

We are on topic frvge, although I don't know if you'd count that vid as off topic, because that's how he feels about the lakehouse vid.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: AgentX_003 on May 02, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
Na Hyrage  once again you fail 


and id say it would be more like this ...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_k6e9sHif8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_k6e9sHif8)  :) :P
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: VaNilla on May 14, 2008, 07:22:06 PM
Thats absolutely amazing, although I beleive there needs to be more light and dark variation, to elaborate I mean more places that are light and more places that are dark, some of the light levels look too simalar at the moment. Ownage :D.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on May 14, 2008, 08:13:50 PM
Thats absolutely amazing, although I beleive there needs to be more light and dark variation, to elaborate I mean more places that are light and more places that are dark, some of the light levels look too simalar at the moment. Ownage :D.


.............................................FAIL........................................
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Westfall on May 15, 2008, 08:11:46 AM
Thats absolutely amazing, although I beleive there needs to be more light and dark variation, to elaborate I mean more places that are light and more places that are dark, some of the light levels look too simalar at the moment. Ownage :D.


.............................................FAIL........................................

+1
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on May 16, 2008, 01:24:37 AM
There was plenty of variation from what I saw.  On my monitor it didn't look that dark, but that was most likely my monitor's settings.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: .leelu12. on May 16, 2008, 03:42:26 AM
i think tims done a great job on that map. i like its looks just as much as any sc map (and perhaps a little more). Shadows seemed fine to me, but i suck at story, so who am i to know  :P
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: VaNilla on May 16, 2008, 10:51:11 AM
Actually, I don't see how expressing an opinion means I fail, I have to say that's some pretty fucked up logic you have there, ;).
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on May 16, 2008, 01:36:20 PM
stonecoldkilla is kinda right. he mentioned something that catched my eye, too: there are no pitch-black shadows at all. but compared with clubhouse, lakehouse is way way darker anyways, and no1 had a problem with this in club.
though i wonder if it will be possible to disable some of the lights in any way (shooting out, hacking panel, objective,...)?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: VaNilla on May 16, 2008, 05:02:40 PM
Thats what I mean Rambo, Clubhouse did have pitch black shadows although it was a light map, so you could still hide properly, this one doesn't seem to have enough of these, if any.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on May 16, 2008, 05:12:58 PM
I guess it wasn't just my monitor then, I saw a good amount of "Non-pitch-black" shadows... hehe

But there was light variation but it just didn't go to the darkest extremes.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: LennardF1989 on May 16, 2008, 05:25:32 PM
Thats what I mean Rambo, Clubhouse did have pitch black shadows although it was a light map, so you could still hide properly, this one doesn't seem to have enough of these, if any.
Does it matter? Shadows are fine as long as the merc can't see a spy hidden in it IMO.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Cyntrox on May 16, 2008, 08:32:35 PM
Thats what I mean Rambo, Clubhouse did have pitch black shadows although it was a light map, so you could still hide properly, this one doesn't seem to have enough of these, if any.
Does it matter? Shadows are fine as long as the merc can't see a spy hidden in it IMO.
It matters because if you turn up your gamma, you'll be able to see everything except pitch black shadows.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: BurningDeath on May 16, 2008, 08:35:04 PM
Thats what I mean Rambo, Clubhouse did have pitch black shadows although it was a light map, so you could still hide properly, this one doesn't seem to have enough of these, if any.
Does it matter? Shadows are fine as long as the merc can't see a spy hidden in it IMO.
It matters because if you turn up your gamma, you'll be able to see everything except pitch black shadows.
Kebab already stated that this will not be possible. ;)
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on May 16, 2008, 11:06:10 PM
i think tims done a great job on that map. i like its looks just as much as any sc map (and perhaps a little more). Shadows seemed fine to me, but i suck at story, so who am i to know  :P

Why are you referring to me by my first name?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Daybreak on May 16, 2008, 11:42:37 PM
Zed has a first name other than Zed?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Hyrage on May 17, 2008, 02:16:38 AM
Zed has a first name other than Zed?
DOn'T know, I thought it was Frack Me  ???
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on May 17, 2008, 03:02:57 AM
Doesn't matter what my name is, you should all referre to be what what I am.

and that is Awesome.

Awesome Tim Zedblade III
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Hyrage on May 17, 2008, 03:55:12 AM
Doesn't matter what my name is, you should all referre to be what what I am.

and that is Awesome.

Awesome Tim Zedblade III
You forgot - MASTER
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: LennardF1989 on May 17, 2008, 11:04:40 AM
Thats what I mean Rambo, Clubhouse did have pitch black shadows although it was a light map, so you could still hide properly, this one doesn't seem to have enough of these, if any.
Does it matter? Shadows are fine as long as the merc can't see a spy hidden in it IMO.
It matters because if you turn up your gamma, you'll be able to see everything except pitch black shadows.
If you can't see a spy in a shadow, you still can't see it if you turn the gamma all the way up. So we don't really need pitchblack shadows at every spot.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on May 17, 2008, 12:15:29 PM
contradiction any1?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: LennardF1989 on May 17, 2008, 01:07:26 PM
Yea, I know, but I have looked into it ^^
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: VaNilla on May 17, 2008, 02:12:14 PM
Im not saying you need pitch black spots everywhere fool :P. I just think that they're needed, but the main point which Lennard has just adressed for me is, I want spots where the spy cannot be seen in normal vision, if you can do that with the current level of shadowing, then that's fine :).
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: T2C LeBron on May 18, 2008, 05:18:32 AM
agreed more dark areas, ct was way to bright.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Zedblade on May 18, 2008, 05:42:09 AM
Im not saying you need pitch black spots everywhere fool :P. I just think that they're needed, but the main point which Lennard has just adressed for me is, I want spots where the spy cannot be seen in normal vision, if you can do that with the current level of shadowing, then that's fine :).

agreed more dark areas, ct was way to bright.

Sigh, how many times must I tell people. First of all, this is pre-alpha, so anything can changed. Second of all, it's going to look differant on differant monitors. It looks fine on my, too dark on others and too bright on the rest. For the love of god stop talking about shadows and what not becuase when the game is finaly shipped you will have the ability to adjust your monitor using an in-game slider to fit your display.

So please. Drop the issue becuase you aren't telling me anything I don't already know or is in anyway helpful.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Farley4Fan on May 18, 2008, 07:03:49 AM
If I can see detail or texture through a shadow then you can see a spy through that shadow, regardless of monitor.  That map looks chock full of it.  But I understand that it's pre-alpha, maybe testing should determine how dark maps should be?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on May 18, 2008, 12:51:15 PM
there's plenty of cover and camo will pwn harder, so i don't see any balance issues in the areas shown in the trailer. i'd just like to see pitch-black shadows in the areas where it's already really dark/hard to see.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: VaNilla on May 19, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
It's pre-alpha and like you said things are meant to be changed, I was just putting forward my suggestion. Regardless of the monitor I think it should be darkened but if that doesn't help you, I cant think of any simpler way I could possibly describe it, issue dropped.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: T2C LeBron on May 20, 2008, 05:54:55 AM
Im not saying you need pitch black spots everywhere fool :P. I just think that they're needed, but the main point which Lennard has just adressed for me is, I want spots where the spy cannot be seen in normal vision, if you can do that with the current level of shadowing, then that's fine :).

agreed more dark areas, ct was way to bright.

Sigh, how many times must I tell people. First of all, this is pre-alpha, so anything can changed. Second of all, it's going to look differant on differant monitors. It looks fine on my, too dark on others and too bright on the rest. For the love of god stop talking about shadows and what not becuase when the game is finaly shipped you will have the ability to adjust your monitor using an in-game slider to fit your display.

So please. Drop the issue becuase you aren't telling me anything I don't already know or is in anyway helpful.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT CT I READ THIS PREVIOUSLY AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. I wasn't referring to project stealth or the trailer in anyway.  I was blown away by how much you have done already and everyone(who is smart) understand that this game hasn't been in production very long because ut3 didn't come out all that long ago plus you guys do it in your free time.  So please get off your high horse zedblade and read what i said that about CT not PS, thank you.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: scope2005 on May 21, 2008, 02:43:27 AM
The trailer is.. FUCKING AMAZING.

I totally missed this as I have been realy busy with work and familly atm, so who the hell authored this map?

The detail and props within it look outstanding, you guys have been busy... Congratulations.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Splinterfactor8 on June 03, 2008, 04:44:39 AM
CT was not to bright you just got to be able to hide when the mercs are coming to always in shadow in the vents behind a wall many places to hide
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Cyntrox on June 03, 2008, 07:40:25 PM
Thats what I mean Rambo, Clubhouse did have pitch black shadows although it was a light map, so you could still hide properly, this one doesn't seem to have enough of these, if any.
Does it matter? Shadows are fine as long as the merc can't see a spy hidden in it IMO.
It matters because if you turn up your gamma, you'll be able to see everything except pitch black shadows.
If you can't see a spy in a shadow, you still can't see it if you turn the gamma all the way up. So we don't really need pitchblack shadows at every spot.
Ah, I had forgotten about this.

Gamma does help you see the spy. Want proof?

(http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9873/dark2kq6.jpg)
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3523/darkac0.jpg)
One screenshot and one picture with a camera, this is the default gamma. Now let's look at what happens if you turn up the gamma using powerStrip. (http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8332/lightup1.jpg)

Sorry for the large images, but lower quality would make my point weaker.

Now, can anyone argue that gamma doesn't help you?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on June 03, 2008, 07:52:46 PM
Is that blood over there?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: goodkebab on June 03, 2008, 08:56:21 PM
we wont be be able to prevent gamma hacks....which only work on textures that are not 100% black

as you noticed...spy is still 100% black against 100% black shadow.


Gamma hacks will not work anywhere that is 100%black.   

and btw.  you can still see the profile of the spy in the screenshot you posted....and i also know that particular corner of wherehouse to know that even without the gamma hack the spy is still visible.


Playing with such a hack is ugly anyways that most people wouldnt enjoy it.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Cyntrox on June 03, 2008, 10:25:44 PM
spy is still 100% black against 100% black shadow.
My very point is that there should be more 100% black spots in PS rather than 90% black spots.

As for the rest of what you said: True, but it is still a LOT easier to see the spy on high gamma.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: VaNilla on June 04, 2008, 07:03:08 PM
As I kind of say in previous posts, Cyntrox is right, there isn't enough spots like that.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: goodkebab on June 04, 2008, 08:22:07 PM
Cyntrox,   we are going to create maps that look good as they are ,  we cant effictively make good looking maps against people that intend to cheat.

We can only light maps for normal playing conditions. 


 
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Gawain on June 05, 2008, 03:56:07 AM
well, you could make 95% shadow areas to 100% ones without any significant quality loss.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: goodkebab on June 05, 2008, 08:29:04 AM
it doesnt really work like that, and as far I know UT probably does not support  lights that remove light  (cast negative light instead of normal light)


Lights have a fall off that creates soft shadows which we do not have control over.

This gradation  goes from  100% to 0% black  and we cannot control the rate of falloff. 


For game design purposes we have to light scenes in a way that allows both Spy and Merc to navigate the map without any flashlight or vision mode.  So darker shadows actually means less light and that becomes a design problem.

To do this requires breaking up areas.   So a dark corridor will have lights at the ends of the tunnels so that player knows where to go....and a light near any other doors.

And dont forget,  lighting is an art in itself....much like animation and programming.  Its not an easy thing to get looking good.

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Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: frvge on June 05, 2008, 09:03:08 AM
Quote
we cannot control the rate of falloff
a higher falloff exponent makes it falloff faster.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: goodkebab on June 05, 2008, 09:56:50 AM
ah cool!
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: MR.Mic on June 05, 2008, 11:27:42 AM
and as far I know UT probably does not support  lights that remove light  (cast negative light instead of normal light)

You can have negative lights, but I highly recommend against using them.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on June 05, 2008, 07:00:27 PM
Maybe instead of making negative lights, you can just play around with the normal lights radiuses?
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: MR.Mic on June 06, 2008, 12:14:01 AM
Maybe instead of making negative lights, you can just play around with the normal lights radiuses?

Unreal doesn't calculate light bounces, so all shadows are 100% black if not in direct line of sight of another light. If there is only one light in a map, all shadows cast by that light will be pure black.
Title: Re: Tick Tock (Lakehouse Teaser) complete
Post by: frvge on June 06, 2008, 01:03:20 AM
It depends if you have a non-blocking light to lighten up dark corners. So I guess we won't have those then :D problem solved.