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[Farley4Fan]

I'm not saying America is better than any other country (wherever the hell Cyntrox is from), I'm just sticking up for my country.  Something wrong with that?  Don't throw me in the mix of not wanting to get along with eachother, Westfall.  I do, only to do that you need people like Cyntrox to stop being so god damned ignorant.

By upping security measures, the government is doing lots to protect us.  By sending a military force to root out the terrorists, they are doing EVEN MORE to protect us - and the world for that matter.

Our country is heading in bad direction right now because we're pretty divided belief-wise.  We're in debt and all that.  A lot of people are misinformed and listen to the news, that's a problem to me.  But, imo, it's nothing we can't recover from.  I'm sure that the Iraq War will be at least somewhat of a success, if not, a total one.  At the rate we are going in Iraq, I predict it to be violence free/strong/independent within the next 8-10 years, if we are still there.  Hopefully not that long.

We had no idea that they were inactive, or even the ones supplied by us decades ago.  Would anyone really want to take a gamble that big?  Let's just sit back here and hope they don't have nuclear devices.  Let's just cross our fingers because we all doubt them.  If we did that there's a possibility that we would have gotten hit hard.  Better safe than sorry, or dead.

We're doing the world a favor by eliminating terrorists threats.  You can't argue with that.  Look at the facts, look at the big names we've took out, look at the camps we've eliminated, terrorists are decreasing in number.  That in and of itself should be a key reason to support the war.  ON TOP OF THAT, Iraq is becoming a free and independent country.

[Cyntrox]

Cyntrox, you are misinformed.

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Bush did not lie about Saddam having WMD's

True. You know where Saddam got his WMDs? From America. To take out Iran.

He threatened America.

Sources please.

Therefore, he is a threat.  Yeah, he's got a shitty military.

So someone with a shitty military is a threat to the mighty America? That's ridiculous.

But we didn't know he didn't have WMD's or biological weapons.

And you didn't wait for the UN inspectors to finish checking for them either. And besides, you hypocrite, what gives America any more right to have WMD's than any other country?

We took him out and we left the country in shambles.

That's the only true sentence you've said thus far.

We are rebuilding it  All that conspiracy garbage about Bush lying so he could attack Iraq for oil is some of the most idiotic gibberish I've ever heard.

Rebuilding it? How about not raping it in the first place?

and taking out terrorists in the area.

You're the terrorists. You're the one invading their country, raping their children, spreading fear and killing innocents.

The 90k killed are MOSTLY KILLED BY THE TERRORISTS ffs.  "killed by truck bomb", "killed by road side car bomb", only a few say by US strikes.  And even then, it doesn't mean that they were killed by U.S. soldiers.  They were just killed in battle by either side when the US/allies were fighting the terrorists.  The killing would still happen if we weren't there, and they were happening before we got there.

How strange then, that the iraqis say they were living better before the US invasion.

I study myself.  I read history books, look at the facts, I DO NOT watch the news (all the liberal biased opinions only feed bullshit into the country).  I may even get a degree on it in the future.  Do I have to go to college to know that our government isn't out there to embarrass anyone?  Don't think so.

Yes, the free information is ruining your country, I'm sure.

How convenient that the oil prices are going up after the Iraq war!  Wow!  We must really be there for oil because we are getting less of it by the day!

1) Oil is running out globally
2) You waste so fucking much money on the war that there's no wonder your economy is going to hell.

We're there to rebuild the country (could take awhile),

Like you did with Korea?

It takes a while because you ruined it, and you're still ruining it more and more.

introduce democracy (also could take years),

Democracy? The kind muslims only want to introduce islam to America! You're a blind fool.

build up Iraq's military so they can take control themselves (making great progress),

I guess your mummy never told you that problems can be solved WITHOUT one party dying.

take Saddam out of power (check),

Yes, I'm sure you're proud of killing the only person that held the country together.

liberate the country (just about there),

If you by "liberate" mean "kill", then yes. Explain to me how you are making Iraq better.

and gain an ally. 

Okay, I'll chop off your legs and arms and you become my best friend?

None of that "WE'RE ONLY THERE FOR OIL" shit please.  If we wanted oil we could take it just as easily.  Why go through all that trouble just to get some oil?

...Um, that's what you're doing, [edit]

If we supported killing innocent civvies then we wouldn't be there right now, dur dur dur. 

You wouldn't be there killing innocent civilians?

That's one reason we are there, to stop sectarian killing and take out terrorists who are killing innocents. 

Go commit suicide then.

Oh, and aren't cluster bombs fun? =D

The country was already ruled by a dictator.  It must go down then go up, and up, and up.

Why?

Thanks for the article Captain Obvious, war sucks, no shit.  Once war is over, victory is achieved, and we gain an ally, all is well.  But we won't forget all the bad times that happened.

Oh, like the gulf war? Or the Vietnam war? If you haven't forgot, then you're obviously too retarded to learn from it. And I have yet to see you give me any sort of articles or sources.

[Cyntrox]

Cyntrox, you are in some sense, an asshole. I can understand how you would defend whatever country your from, which makes you just as much a nationalist as Papa, but don't try and tell me shit when I'm not the fuck rooting for "which side has more power." Funny how they say that shit is preschool, yet look at you girls go. Always have to be the better. Can't just live with each other.

I haven't defended any country. I have merely attacked. And by the way, this is entertaining.

[Cyntrox]

I'm not saying America is better than any other country (wherever the hell Cyntrox is from)

Well, you obviously think it's better than all the countries you're invading.

I'm just sticking up for my country.  Something wrong with that?

Yes. There's something wrong in you sticking up for your country because it is you country. It's bias.

Iraq is becoming a free and independent country.

How does "attack, take away their government and all they ever had of independence" equal freedom?

[Farley4Fan]

Okay  :D  You just aren't fucking getting it dude.  (I'm responding to each quote section, but I don't feel like quoting all that/deleting my quotes)

1)  In all those insults I can conclude that you are just 1: immature  (maybe more, but that sums it up nicely)

2)  True?  You just said that Bush did lie.  Contradicted yourself.  Do you think he did, or do you not?  Make up your mind.

3) I don't need a source.  Anyone who hasn't been hiding under a rock in the last decade knows that.

4) Someone with possibly active WMD's who threatens to use them against our country IS a threat.  Our military could beat the shit out of his military - no duh.  But we didn't completely know if he had WMD's or not.  Why take the chance exactly?  You must suck at poker, you don't know when to fold ( by fold I mean to not take a chance obviously ).

5) We have more of a right to do so because we don't hate any country.  We don't want to obliterate countries and hold the world for ransom like so many other countries do - North Korea, Iran, Iraq (when Saddam was in power) etc...  We keep the peace, liberate, create freedom.  The only reason we have used WMD's was in attempt to end a war - it worked.

6) It's true, we have left it in shambles.  At least we are helping to make the country stronger.  Helping them grow with a better leader that doesn't want to kill us or that is bent on world domination.  When it's all said and done, Iraq will be better than it was before we invaded.

7) Yeah, let's not rape it.  Let's just let it rape itself until it fades into nothing.  Tbh, we are only raping the parts that need to be raped - the dictators and terrorists.  Then rebuilding the parts that accidentally get raped in the process of raping the terrorists.

8) Simply wrong.  Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.  We aren't the ones.  Have you read my posts?  THE MAJORITY OF INNOCENTS KILLED ARE KILLED BY TERRORISTS!!  Dumbass, you provide me with correct information and continue to use it falsely.  All the while it proves my point.  Go click on that link and look.  More people are killed by car bombs than crossfire.  It's not America's fault that 1 guy gets horny and commits a terrible crime.  It's just one guy.  Maybe if we had a little more security and background checks we could decrease the amount of criminals that get into our military force.  But wait, that's just annoying to have background check or a fingerprint scan isn't it?

9) Source please.  The country doesn't all have one opinion.  There are always different opinions in the Iraqi people.  Have you not seen videos of people cheering when taking down the Saddam statue?  Or how about the Iraqi people welcoming U.S. Troops into their country with cheer.  There will always be people who aren't welcome to change, and that's fine.  I'm sure they'll appreciate what we are doing in the future when they realized we did them a gigantic favor, a lot of them already do.  Quit stating these bullshit assumptions please.  The opinion of one man does not represent the opinion of an entire country.

10) Quit being stupid.

11) We aren't there for oil because we aren't taking it, end of story. 

12) Ruining it more and more eh?  That makes sense.  Sure I can see it now.  Violence is decreasing, terrorists in the country are being eliminated, dictators are gone, it's going to such hell isn't it?  Yeah, living conditions have been degraded, but that's a biproduct of war.  What ever will Iraq do with a violence free, terrorist free, dictator free living environment?  I feel so bad for them.  Living conditions will get better, don't worry about that.

13) The kind muslim only wants to destroy America from its roots and murder all the people living there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2EisVqKZ4  How wonderful their religion is to teach about killing an entire group of people to their kids.  Everyone can benefit from democracy, not everyone can benefit from Islam.

14) Sad that you go by what your mummy tells you and not by what your friggin brain tells you.  You think everything can be solved by talking it out?  Sadly, you are wrong as you have ever been.  Terrorists don't bargain, they don't talk things out, none of that.  They are ruthless evil people that do the world no good and must be stopped.

15) I'd be proud of killing the one person that made the country a living hell for the people.  Here are a few videos that I hope you look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQK5thIYJCI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0CpA-K4Gqs (see how they celebrate with U.S. Troops?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW4NbhdUPfM&NR=1

16) Already explained.  Killing the 1 or 2 people that kept the country from being free, made it free.

17) I don't have time to respond to the rest.  That should be enough to hold you over anyways.

[frvge]

While this whole debate is interesting, I unfortunately had to edit some over-the-top name calling. Doesn't matter which side. Too bad this personal experiment failed.

So on-topic on the visa stuff for working in the USA. Any further message about Iraq will get deleted.

[Farley4Fan]

Don't worry about the name calling.  I'm sure he just copied-pasted out of a dictionary, he didn't really mean it.  ;)

I recommend closing the thread, Knuckles, Frvge, whoever...

[Hyrage]

Things took an interesting path lol...