1 weapon system > 3 weapon system

[Westfall]

I haven't put any thought into this but whatever...I actually think that going with 1 gun isn't that bad. Not only most people use the Rifle but it is good in mid and long range.

BUT WAT ABOUT SH0RT R4NG3 GU1?!?!?!?

I'm sayin....rifle covers all three ranges, while the other two are sprays of luck and limitation. I don't see why it can't just go with 1 weapon.   I will admit its nice to have variation of weapons, but when it comes down to it you need to have a weapon that can perform the entire time at a significant level. These are supposed to be highly trained mercenaries....not random guys given the choice of weapon and protecting zone. I really want to see more significant arguments from the 3>1 side. Tactic plays a role no matter what, so don't try that bad boy out. Variation doesn't count for shit and you can't aim with a shotgun or an uzi....especially if you're SPRAYING with it. Rate of fire is ridiculous compared to what the rifle is. At least the spy can possibly escape as opposed to getting sucked into the LASER BEAM OF SPRAY.

[Farley4Fan]

If the rifle has a ROF between that of the PT rifle and the CT smg, then I'd be fine with it.  But still, the game would lose a lot of variation.  Especially when the 3 weapons can all be balanced so easily with a few little changes.

[a3c0i3d]

Here is a vid i made a long, LONG time ago, especially for all you whining pro sniper 1337 fuckers.

http://www.forthesheep.net/downloads.php?cat_id=1&download_id=2

If PS gets an uzi i will take it again, even if it is the worst gun in the game, just to hear you scream
"oh noes UZI NOOB, laaag".

If its in the game i use it, get over it.

[Gawain]

Especially when the 3 weapons can all be balanced so easily with a few little changes.

that's quite a big assumption...

[Farley4Fan]

Yes it is a big assumption,  but I actually had something to go one while yours was way out in left field.   Decrease the range of the smg.  Take out the red screen flash when hit by an smg.  Possibly decrease the power of the smg, the damage the bullets inflict.  The only gun I see with "problems" is the smg, and even then it's not that op.

What problems do you see with the 3 guns we have now?  I'm sure that subtle changes could fix all the problems.

[Gawain]

how about you re-read my posts, particularily the opening post? omg  ::)

[neth]

I'm for keeping UZI and shotty in game. I'd like to see whiners like Gawain saying "u tehh uzi no0b".
Also, it gives variety. You can always host your own game with these 2 weapons forbidded and play how you want. Thats the key argument here.

[AgentX_003]

Here is a vid i made a long, LONG time ago, especially for all you whining pro sniper 1337 fuckers.

http://www.forthesheep.net/downloads.php?cat_id=1&download_id=2

If PS gets an uzi i will take it again, even if it is the worst gun in the game, just to hear you scream
"oh noes UZI NOOB, laaag".

If its in the game i use it, get over it.

LoL  i can definetly confirm thats an older vid, i remember those days when whiny bitches such as unstoppable911 existed , some old names i never got to play with tho :(... Haunt_Fox and Zomg

Blinkin Actually got a neck  ! :o , oh by the way all yall who don't know rogerrabbit420 is some xbox nub

and kicks everyone he sees =/ 

[Westfall]

Here is a vid i made a long, LONG time ago, especially for all you whining pro sniper 1337 fuckers.

http://www.forthesheep.net/downloads.php?cat_id=1&download_id=2

If PS gets an uzi i will take it again, even if it is the worst gun in the game, just to hear you scream
"oh noes UZI NOOB, laaag".

If its in the game i use it, get over it.

For the sake of staying on topic....I hope all of you watch the video and watch how sick nasty acid is with spraying bullets. OH SO NASTY at just running around with MT on and spraying bullets. So, being noob is not playing a game 15hrs a day....I don't know too many people that do that. Rather, its the person who posted this video just to show how noob they really are. Its fine, take uzi everytime...you'll need it.

I'm for keeping UZI and shotty in game. I'd like to see whiners like Gawain saying "u tehh uzi no0b".
Also, it gives variety. You can always host your own game with these 2 weapons forbidded and play how you want. Thats the key argument here.

That is not even close to the "key" argument in any case. Gaiwan doesn't whine. He'll continue to play and probably kick your ass without hesitation. In fact, your argument is the worst argument for keeping something in a game. "BCAUZ I WANT TO SEE HIM WH1N3." Considering both you and acid whine more than Rambo and Papa do together, I would come up with some sort of valid argument as to why you think there should still be a fixed shotty/uzi. Otherwise move on to another thread.

[neth]

In fact, your argument is the worst argument for keeping something in a game. "BCAUZ I WANT TO SEE HIM WH1N3."

If you could read, you would know that the key argument there was that you can always forbid uzi or shotty if you're convinced that they suck or leave the server when players use it. Isn't that simple ? It surely isn't if all your thoughts about PS are focused around "what we should implement into the game, so everybody plays as I want them to". That's how this moron - Gawain thinks. If you can't realise that some of us may want to have fun with uzis while playing with their own rules, then you think the same way.

[goodkebab]

We fully intend to have a shotgun and an Uzi,  and because we are the developers,  we also control the balance of these weapons.

[Westfall]

In fact, your argument is the worst argument for keeping something in a game. "BCAUZ I WANT TO SEE HIM WH1N3."

If you could read, you would know that the key argument there was that you can always forbid uzi or shotty if you're convinced that they suck or leave the server when players use it. Isn't that simple ? It surely isn't if all your thoughts about PS are focused around "what we should implement into the game, so everybody plays as I want them to". That's how this moron - Gawain thinks. If you can't realise that some of us may want to have fun with uzis while playing with their own rules, then you think the same way.

Its not like that. I was saying that the argument you present wasn't valid. Just because I have the right to ban things from my server doesn't mean that its the #1 point as to why uzi and shotty should stay. Its not that I would want people to play by my own rules. Rifle alone would create a better balance than 3 weapons would. I'm not saying 3 weapons can't be balanced. I'm saying 1 gun has a better tendency to balance than multiple guns. Trust me, I've had my fun with uzi, but it seems more like a joke of a weapon than anything legit.

We fully intend to have a shotgun and an Uzi,  and because we are the developers,  we also control the balance of these weapons.

I'm sorry to hear. I hope they are implemented practically, logically, and balanced as you say. Have you guys played around with them yet?

[BurningDeath]

End of Topic.

[Gawain]

neth, stop calling me names and reconsider your points before everyone with a brain here considers you an ignorant fool, they really suck.
btw, i so want a flame-thrower just for more variety and to make you whine, and it's totally balanced because you can ban it on your server... ::)

We fully intend to have a shotgun and an Uzi,  and because we are the developers,  we also control the balance of these weapons.

once again, if you don't make any good arguments for that decision (eg counter mine first), this whole forum is totally pointless.

[a3c0i3d]

whine, whine, boohoo, uzi noob, boooohoooo

yawn...