Switching Firing Shoulders

[Gawain]

if this is the case switching shoulders is almost useless.

No, you just don't understand why it would be useful.  Being able to shock a merc from behind cover w/o exposing your head and most of your body is a huge use.  Don't be ignorant.

you're the ignorant one here. on a good server it's totally np to move a little out of cover and taze the merc before he even realises what's going on.

[ShadowX]

Why not just make it optional as people clearly don't agree if it should be there or not. If you don't want it you uncheck a box in options with this option / unbind the key to switch the shoulder. Problem solved. It's pointless to keep arguing if it is a good addition or not and if it should be put in or not because of this and that. If the devs choose to put it in, which i'd like a lot. Just make it optional, you can have it if you want, but you can also take it away if it distracts you or anything.
you're the ignorant one here. on a good server it's totally np to move a little out of cover and taze the merc before he even realises what's going on.

you're the ignorant one here. on a good server it's totally np to move a little out of cover and taze the merc before he even realises what's going on.

And what happens if you don't end up in a good server, the game might be lagging a little at times and that? It's good to have it as a backup to be atleast sure you ain't going to get beaten because you had to expose your head to shock the merc to get away just because you couldn't switch your firing shoulder.

Edited the quote in.

[Kurbutti]

It is if there is no merc around while you are trying to taze/remove the mine. You'll be able to remove just about everything. Mines are only effective when the spy is in haste.

Oh really.

So how are you going to take out a poison mine that's on the corner of a room and blocks a doorway? switching shoulders isn't going to help wtih that stuff.

Honestly I can't think of many laser or poison mines that people are going to place where shifting shoulders will matter.

So instead of shoulder switching, why not make back to wall more flexible?

[Gawain]

And what happens if you don't end up in a good server, the game might be lagging a little at times and that? It's good to have it as a backup to be atleast sure you ain't going to get beaten because you had to expose your head to shock the merc to get away just because you couldn't switch your firing shoulder.

if the server gives the host that much of an advantage that he can snipe your head or shoot at it 2-3 times before you can taze him coming from behind cover it's that bad that playing on it makes no sense anyways.

So instead of shoulder switching, why not make back to wall more flexible?

first reasonable suggestion in this thread. just make back to wall move, gun pulling and aiming faster and more flexible.

[Farley4Fan]

Why not just make it optional as people clearly don't agree if it should be there or not

Hmm, look at the poll.  For every 1 person that doesn't want it there are 5 people that do want it.  It's pretty lopsided.  For whatever reason, people think this would hurt gameplay.  It would absolutely not do that.  ANYONE that has played a 3rd person shooter w/ shoulder swapping can back me up on this.  Hell, look at CT's single player, it would be frustrating as hell not being able to swap shoulders.  Say there is a wall right in front of you like this:

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  S

S=Spy   | = Wall  ..=empty space

To shoot something on the right side of the wall, no problem.  You have a good angle to do so.  However, if you want to shoot something on the left side of the wall, you'll have to move your entire body just to make it possible to shoot that side of the wall.  With shoulder swapping, just a quick tap of the button and you can swap sides easily.  It's not overpowered.  It just makes things a bit easier for spies.
FFS, this should not have been that long of a discussion.  Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the move, takes little time to make, and only adds to gameplay.  Good lord.

Some people just don't understand.  I don't know what to say.

[ShadowX]

And what happens if you don't end up in a good server, the game might be lagging a little at times and that? It's good to have it as a backup to be atleast sure you ain't going to get beaten because you had to expose your head to shock the merc to get away just because you couldn't switch your firing shoulder.

if the server gives the host that much of an advantage that he can snipe your head or shoot at it 2-3 times before you can taze him coming from behind cover it's that bad that playing on it makes no sense anyways.

Im not just talking about host, but anyone who is reasonably good with the sniper rifle that can aim, and knows just about where the spies head is when standing or crouching it doesn't require you to be a host to pull a quick headshot when a spies head pops around the corner. Good snipers can take the shot in less than a second, altho it requires a bit of awarness and maybe even some luck. And usually when your going to shock a merc like that, you've already been seen so the merc is looking for you and is a lot more cautious than if he was just patrolling.

So instead of shoulder switching, why not make back to wall more flexible?

Im all in for that, but i also like the shoulder switching option. So well i'd go for both.

Edited a typo.

[Farley4Fan]

Has anyone here played a decent 3rd person shooter with shoulder swapping?  Like Ghost Recon?

[Blank Man]

Ghost Recon sucked 10,000 penis'

[Tidenburg]

Ghost Recon sucked 10,000 penis'

Stop being soo stupid, fool. It was 50k at least.

:p

[Farley4Fan]

I thought that the ghost recon 2 games were good, the AW ones were decent.  They weren't that bad, I hated the first 1 and its expansion though.

[Cyntrox]

Ghost Recon 1 FTW

[Westfall]

Ghost Recon 1 FTL

[Tidenburg]

...Did Project Stealth's forums just have a 2 day silence?

[Gawain]

yap.

[Tidenburg]

Dear god! Get a tick tock thread up there quickly!

If y'all are bored, come to my aid on the SC forums, the mods are being nazi's again >__<