i am an atheist

[Farley4Fan]

So I assume your interpretation is not human, that yours is the ultimate and correct, and you have proof to back that up? Please, present it.

I don't have an interpretation of the Earth's age based on the Bible, mainly because it's not described in the Bible.  It's like putting together a puzzle with pieces that aren't realy there or are from a different puzzle. 

[VenomousNinja]

So I assume your interpretation is not human, that yours is the ultimate and correct, and you have proof to back that up? Please, present it.

I don't have an interpretation of the Earth's age based on the Bible, mainly because it's not described in the Bible.  It's like putting together a puzzle with pieces that aren't realy there or are from a different puzzle. 

But you obviously have an interpretation of the bible as a whole, and obviously you must have a reason to believe in this particular interpretation, instead of many others. Since you also seem to dismiss any human interpretation as faulty, then you must have one of divine inspiration, and should have proof that your way of thinking is correct above all others.

[monterto]

[VaNilla]

The "logic" of religion doesn't say that the Earth is thousands of years old.  That's not even what the Bible says.

Do you know where the whole "thousands of years" thing came from?

Tell that to the countless number of biblical scholars who will use the 'thousands of years' argument to negate evolution.

Like how you skip over that ;)

[CurdyMilk]

Peace.

I have nothing to add to this topic, but I found the contrast of what your whole post was rationalizing versus this one ending word kinda funny. ;D

I'm sure I'm the only one.

Yeah I know, it is funny once I look at it.  But if Zedblade asks, I must answer  :).  He hasn't responded since this, so either he accepted the peace or rejected the offer.  I'm hoping the former.  I think he has because he seems a little more easy to talk to than some of the others on here.  ;D

[Tidenburg]

Peace.

I have nothing to add to this topic, but I found the contrast of what your whole post was rationalizing versus this one ending word kinda funny. ;D

I'm sure I'm the only one.

Yeah I know, it is funny once I look at it.  But if Zedblade asks, I must answer  :).  He hasn't responded since this, so either he accepted the peace or rejected the offer.  I'm hoping the former.  I think he has because he seems a little more easy to talk to than some of the others on here.  ;D

Hey, if we're not in a religion debate, I'm completely fine with religious people who are the non-judgemental, non-missionary types.  ;D

[Zedblade]

I didn't see a post you directed at me on the last page but I'll find it and respond to it later if I feel the need  ;)  Lol I will

Here it is again, it was the very last post on page 42 I think. I've missed the last post on a thread before as well, especially when you come back and there are already a couple posts on the next page. It's easy to overlook.

@Zed, you seem to be missing the point. 10 billion prayers ignored and one apparently answered is all the proof a lot of people need. Sure SOME things may be wrong, BUT LOOK! THIS THING HERE WAS RIGHT! (If you look at it a certain way, wearing this certain thing on this day of the week)

What is it with people getting hung up on the whole prayers thing?  It just seems to be a non point.

How is the one and only way to talk to your god a non point? Prayer is one of the foundations of most religions, it's extremely important and should be discussed.

My point was that there is a lot of truth in the Bible.  Some people get too worked up over some innacuracies or interpretations that they disregard the book as a whole.  And that to me is a shame.

There are truths in the bible, I don't deny that, but there are just as much contradictions and inaccuracies. Not to mention the bible is a morally horrible book, consistently demanding the death of people for petty, illogical reasons and condoning things like slavery and the oppression of women. My question is why do you ignore the awful, repulsive things the bible says, the inaccuracies and contradictions, but latch onto the rest? You are doing the exact thing you are accusing others of doing, just the other way around.

If God did create the Bible, I don't see why it would have to impossible to be misinterpreted.  Like I've been saying, if God made a science book and said here's all the facts I am God believe me because I just proved it to you, where's the FAITH in that exactly?  God would want more than people believing in him just because it's a proven fact and you'd be an idiot to believe that God did not exist.  He wants people to see him without their eyes, so to speak.

The bible doesn't need to prove god exists, but you would think if god wanted the bible to be the one and only way to learn about him, to gain faith in him through the words he has written, he would plan out a way that would not allow men to pervert it and bring shame to his name.

There are several occasions in the bible where God as proven that he exists to hundreds of people, such as Jesus proving his resurrection. Why was it okay then, but not now to prove his existence? I've heard some people say god proving himself would remove free will. If god is real and the bible is literally correct, I'm sorry, we do not have free will. God's idea of free will is actually more like an ultimatum. Believe in me or spend eternity in hell.

Even if I knew without a doubt God existed, that doesn't necessarily mean I'll worship him by default. I've actually read the bible (unlike a lot of Christians, which is weird) and it' doesn't describe an all loving, forgiving and caring god. It describes and angry, unjust, egotistical tyrant who lies, murders people by the millions and sends people to infinite suffering and pain for a finite life of unbelieving.

Fuck that.

[Tidenburg]

Uhh, Zed. Why am I quoted as the person who said all of those arguments FOR religion, in your post?

IM BEING FRAMED!  >:(

[Zedblade]

Uhh, Zed. Why am I quoted as the person who said all of those arguments FOR religion, in your post?

IM BEING FRAMED!  >:(

I must have grabbed the wrong quote line when I was originally making my reply. Never noticed it. Sorry. Maybe that's why farly fan couldn't find it, it was labeled wrong.

Wow I failed hard.

[Farley4Fan]

There are truths in the bible, I don't deny that, but there are just as much contradictions and inaccuracies. Not to mention the bible is a morally horrible book, consistently demanding the death of people for petty, illogical reasons and condoning things like slavery and the oppression of women. My question is why do you ignore the awful, repulsive things the bible says, the inaccuracies and contradictions, but latch onto the rest? You are doing the exact thing you are accusing others of doing, just the other way around.

I personally believe that the contradictions and innacuracies are caused by translation errors, exaggerations, or even people making changes themselves.  I don't ignore the things that you say are horrible.  I think some of them were put in the text by man to further some of their personal agendas.  This is also a shame because, like I said, there is a lot of truth in the Bible.  There are some innacuracies, exaggerations, and even imprints of man in the book and it causes a lot of people to disregard it as a whole in a somewhat understandabe way.  I can see why, but it's kind of dissapointing.  If God didn't allow the text to change, if God put in all the answers to life (such as the age of the universe), didn't allow the book to become tainted by man, didn't allow exaggerations or translation errors, no one would be asking these questions or denying his existence.  I try look at the Bible objectively.  

The bible doesn't need to prove god exists, but you would think if god wanted the bible to be the one and only way to learn about him, to gain faith in him through the words he has written, he would plan out a way that would not allow men to pervert it and bring shame to his name.

Not so sure about that.  It's tricky to think about how God should do things or question why he did some things, because in the end we're just human beings.  Maybe in the end we really cannot comprehend his actions.  This seems like a cop out to say "God works in mysterious ways" but I don't mean to say it as a Get outta Jail Free Card, I'm saying it as a point.  A flawless book with perfect "scientific" facts without any perversion from the hands of humans throughout thousands of years would not only be detrimental to his idea of testing the faith of humans, it could not be done without removing free will.  How would God prevent perversion to the Bible without removing free will from the people who intended to do so?  Here I am doing exactly what I just said is tricky to do.  It's a tricky thing to think about and an even trickier thing to debate.

There are several occasions in the bible where God as proven that he exists to hundreds of people, such as Jesus proving his resurrection. Why was it okay then, but not now to prove his existence? I've heard some people say god proving himself would remove free will. If god is real and the bible is literally correct, I'm sorry, we do not have free will. God's idea of free will is actually more like an ultimatum. Believe in me or spend eternity in hell.

This is a good point.  Something I've wondered as well.  I do not know.  Maybe he needed these people to spread the word of God.  Revealing himself to people periodically could spur enough interest.  I'm wondering how a God would inspire people to believe in him without actually showing a few people first.  For example, when God revealed himself to Moses and told him the Commandments, he was using Moses as a tool of inspiration.  But here I am wondering how a God would do "bla bla bla".  Might as well stick my head in the microwave.

Even if I knew without a doubt God existed, that doesn't necessarily mean I'll worship him by default. I've actually read the bible (unlike a lot of Christians, which is weird) and it' doesn't describe an all loving, forgiving and caring god. It describes and angry, unjust, egotistical tyrant who lies, murders people by the millions and sends people to infinite suffering and pain for a finite life of unbelieving.

Fuck that.

So, you're saying that even if you knew God existed, you'd still have free will (to an extent).  Well that's definitely interesting.  That's just a whole other level of "free will" and it's called defiance (thinking Clash of the Titans here haha).  There's free will to believe or to not believe, and then there's free will to worship or not.  I guess it's a 2 part test.  Once you know God exists, though, that first part is out the window and non existent.

The people who believe he exists can worship him for 1 of 2 reasons.  They worship him so that they do not go to hell or they worship him because they love God.  You can worship God for selfish reasons or for unselfish reasons.  Just because you worship God doesn't mean you automatically go to heaven upon death.  It seems obvious that God would favor the latter.

Also Zed, your post was #666 on this thread.   :o

I should have never responded man now im so fucked!   :D

[Farley4Fan]

The "logic" of religion doesn't say that the Earth is thousands of years old.  That's not even what the Bible says.

Do you know where the whole "thousands of years" thing came from?

Tell that to the countless number of biblical scholars who will use the 'thousands of years' argument to negate evolution.

Like how you skip over that ;)

I didn't mean to skip over this.  I'm like 1 of 2 guys on this "side" of the debate, and it's hard to keep up with every individual topic.  And besides, this is kind of a redundant statement and I agree with you.  I'm not going to tell you that there aren't people who do this, if that's what you wanted.

[puuusianka]

Ehm, sorry but I didn't manage to read all 45 PAGES(my god!). But did anyone mentioned here what's the true meaning of word atheist? Atheist is a person who believes that there is a god, but he won't worship him. Was just wondering if you guys realise that.

PS: Same thing with satan believers. People who are eating cats, dressing up dark and doing otehr stuff that they thing is "satanic"(or somthing like that) have nothing to do with satan! That doesn't show anything! People who believe in satan know deffinetly one rule. If someone comes into your way, you are suppose to tell him that he is a problem for you then if he won't listen you are allowed to have revenge on him.

[Tidenburg]

Ehm, sorry but I didn't manage to read all 45 PAGES(my god!). But did anyone mentioned here what's the true meaning of word atheist? Atheist is a person who believes that there is a god, but he won't worship him. Was just wondering if you guys realise that.

PS: Same thing with satan believers. People who are eating cats, dressing up dark and doing otehr stuff that they thing is "satanic"(or somthing like that) have nothing to do with satan! That doesn't show anything! People who believe in satan know deffinetly one rule. If someone comes into your way, you are suppose to tell him that he is a problem for you then if he won't listen you are allowed to have revenge on him.

Retard manual:
a - meaning without.
poly - many
gnosis - knowing

thiest - believer in god
athiest - without god.
agnostic - not knowing.
polythiest - believes in many gods.

Regardless, I desperately pray this is a troll post.


NOW FOR FUN ETYMOLOGY TIME!
hyste basically means womb (as in, hysterectomy (ectomy meaning removed), "to remove the womb") so when you're saying someone is acting hysterical, you're actually saying that they're acting like they've got a womb (overemotional).

YEY! ACCEPTABLE SEXISM! :D

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

gnosis - knowledge
theist - a person of god
atheist - a person of no god
agnostic - one who does not have/seek knowledge
polytheist - one who acknowledges many gods

Where'd you learn your greek?
Fuckin' hippies.

[Cronky]

So speaking of Greek.

Why did everyone just kind of drop off the whole... Zeus and his many accomplices? Nordic Gods? Is there still someone screaming to the heavens trying to have Odin grant him strength in times of trouble?

While joking here mostly. I seriously do wonder how people just kinda... stopped mentioning those religions.

Anyone here got some explanations for me?