EMF/CHAFF flaw/solution

[Kubanator]

Actually, one of his arguments is that it'd be more realistic, just see what I quoted in my first post:

Then scratch that. How is it unrealistic that a bunch of magnetic strips interfere with delicate electrical devices? (Try putting a magnet on you monitor) (PS. Don't)

Duh, that's what I've been saying all along, however, that chaff is only simple strips of metal that has nothing magnetic or electric about them.

Different chaff. It just happens to share the name with the aforementioned counter-measure. It doesn't mean it shares any of it's properties.

[Cyntrox]

The chaff in CT is obviously based on the counter-measure, anyone can see that. Even if it was magnetic, it wouldn't be able to do all the things it does in CT, like disabling lasers. If you could somehow disable a laser emitter with magnetism - and I'd love to know how that works - the alarm would still go off. Hence the chaff in CT is unrealistic. Not that it bothers me - everything doesn't have to be realistic.

[AgentX_003]

The chaff in CT is obviously based on the counter-measure, anyone can see that. Even if it was magnetic, it wouldn't be able to do all the things it does in CT, like disabling lasers. If you could somehow disable a laser emitter with magnetism - and I'd love to know how that works - the alarm would still go off. Hence the chaff in CT is unrealistic. Not that it bothers me - everything doesn't have to be realistic.

well in theory it is flakes of metal, soo when the flakes of metal fall.. it will block the line of sight of the laser but interms of disrupting cameras that would be the only logical solution that is magnetic .

[Cyntrox]

The chaff in CT is obviously based on the counter-measure, anyone can see that. Even if it was magnetic, it wouldn't be able to do all the things it does in CT, like disabling lasers. If you could somehow disable a laser emitter with magnetism - and I'd love to know how that works - the alarm would still go off. Hence the chaff in CT is unrealistic. Not that it bothers me - everything doesn't have to be realistic.

well in theory it is flakes of metal, soo when the flakes of metal fall.. it will block the line of sight of the laser but interms of disrupting cameras that would be the only logical solution that is magnetic .

Lol, having their line of sight disrupted is what triggers optical sensors such as lasers. And if either cameras or lasers were deactivated, the alarm would be triggered.

[Roberto1223]

How is it not? EMF vision detects magnetic fields created by wires, which are very weak. It would make sense that powerful magnet strips would create a cloud or at least a heavy distortion effect.

Yes, that would make sense. However, chaff is simply metal strips made to confuse radars, and are not magnetic at all. The idea of chaff disabling anything (like it does in CT) is unrealistic.

cyntrox your pissing your own hands, i said "realistic as in making sense" then u said "Yes, that would make sense"
so just stop the bs. dude lol

[Roberto1223]

Cyntrox your pissing all over your feet this time

"Duh, that's what I've been saying all along, however, that chaff is only simple strips of metal that has nothing magnetic or electric about them."

ok then grab some strips of metal u have in ur house, get some aluminum foil and cut it into strips and do some Chaff magic with it.

guess what? its not as simple haha!

*try throwing them at your monitor and see if it gets disabled.

(hey im serious dude, it  might work!)

[Cyntrox]

How is it not? EMF vision detects magnetic fields created by wires, which are very weak. It would make sense that powerful magnet strips would create a cloud or at least a heavy distortion effect.

Yes, that would make sense. However, chaff is simply metal strips made to confuse radars, and are not magnetic at all. The idea of chaff disabling anything (like it does in CT) is unrealistic.

cyntrox your pissing your own hands, i said "realistic as in making sense" then u said "Yes, that would make sense"
so just stop the bs. dude lol

I said it makes sense on the terms that the chaff in CT is not chaff.

Cyntrox your pissing all over your feet this time

"Duh, that's what I've been saying all along, however, that chaff is only simple strips of metal that has nothing magnetic or electric about them."

ok then grab some strips of metal u have in ur house, get some aluminum foil and cut it into strips and do some Chaff magic with it.

guess what? its not as simple haha!

*try throwing them at your monitor and see if it gets disabled.

(hey im serious dude, it  might work!)

What I've been saying all along that chaff doesn't work that way...

[LennardF1989]

Chaff might be a wrong name for what it does. How CT interpretates it has more away of an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) with some chaff getting "spawned" along with it.

If anyone hasn't seen EMP-device live on video or something, it's some kind of magentic emitter which can destroy any kind of transistor or whatever. The video I saw had an EMP-device aimed at an old PC (while turned on) after like 10 seconds, the screen started flickering, bumping and the machine turned off, completely dead and you could never fix it again (it was stated that if the Russians would turn on their "aimed" emitters in a war, whole Europe would get a blackout).

That's where CT is a bit unrealistic (both SP and MP), where EMP/Chaff doesn't really break something, but more temporary (as it comes back online after a couple of seconds). That doesn't matter, as breaking a whole camera or alarmsystem takes away the fun.

So, to conclude, you should see the chaff-grenade explosion as a HUGE EMP explosion which spawns the "silver foil".

Silver foil can only dissort some types of radars. Because you could think that the EMF vision is a radar on its own, it should detect "chaff"-grenade activity (just think away "some types").

The explosion itself is one huge Electromagnetic field, EMF detects that, so, on explosion a huge white spot should be visible. Because of the "silver foil" floating around, it dissorts the EMF even more, making it show up like a smokegrenade in EMF (after the explosion).

Think rationally and we have our own EMF smokegrenade, which is damn close to how it would work in real-life ;)

[Kubanator]

Yay a dev stepped in. Now can we stop the arguing and get to the hugz?

Ps. Why is the shi in your motto thing in hiragana, while the rest is in katakana?

[LennardF1989]

Yay a dev stepped in. Now can we stop the arguing and get to the hugz?

Ps. Why is the shi in your motto thing in hiragana, while the rest is in katakana?

I think you're misreading it, the characters say Rena-do, which is Japanese for Lennard

Edit:
Quick Link I found: http://www.stockkanji.com/Names+in+Japanese/Names+L/Leonard%20(LEN-ard).htm

[Kubanator]

Yay a dev stepped in. Now can we stop the arguing and get to the hugz?

Ps. Why is the shi in your motto thing in hiragana, while the rest is in katakana?

I think you're misreading it, the characters say Rena-do, which is Japanese for Lennard

Edit:
Quick Link I found: http://www.stockkanji.com/Names+in+Japanese/Names+L/Leonard%20(LEN-ard).htm

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The one on the right means re (foreign), the one on the left means shi (non-foreign). Shi is curved, re is straight.

[AgentX_003]

Chaff might be a wrong name for what it does. How CT interpretates it has more away of an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) with some chaff getting "spawned" along with it.

If anyone hasn't seen EMP-device live on video or something, it's some kind of magentic emitter which can destroy any kind of transistor or whatever. The video I saw had an EMP-device aimed at an old PC (while turned on) after like 10 seconds, the screen started flickering, bumping and the machine turned off, completely dead and you could never fix it again (it was stated that if the Russians would turn on their "aimed" emitters in a war, whole Europe would get a blackout).

That's where CT is a bit unrealistic (both SP and MP), where EMP/Chaff doesn't really break something, but more temporary (as it comes back online after a couple of seconds). That doesn't matter, as breaking a whole camera or alarmsystem takes away the fun.

So, to conclude, you should see the chaff-grenade explosion as a HUGE EMP explosion which spawns the "silver foil".

Silver foil can only dissort some types of radars. Because you could think that the EMF vision is a radar on its own, it should detect "chaff"-grenade activity (just think away "some types").

The explosion itself is one huge Electromagnetic field, EMF detects that, so, on explosion a huge white spot should be visible. Because of the "silver foil" floating around, it dissorts the EMF even more, making it show up like a smokegrenade in EMF (after the explosion).

Think rationally and we have our own EMF smokegrenade, which is damn close to how it would work in real-life ;)

wow for someone who is semi decent at the game, you have quite the extensive knowledge, Impressive.

[LennardF1989]

It's my job to know that kind of stuff, but thanks for the compliment ;D

Thanks for the headsup Kubanator, I think Word symbol chooser tricked me there.