Dear Europe

[CurdyMilk]

Actually, the main problem, as I see it, is that you have got crap like Fox News which is basically just republican propaganda that would love to spread a rumor about Obama being a Muslim.

Umm...wow.  ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN...all the rest are basically just democratic propaganda.  So it's 4v1.  I wouldn't complain.  

[Farley4Fan]

And on what basis do you build that statement on? Perhaps, if you look at Italy and Eastern Europe, there may be some heavy trouble with censorship in some of the countries but that is not the main problem in the USA. Actually, the main problem, as I see it, is that you have got crap like Fox News which is basically just republican propaganda that would love to spread a rumor about Obama being a Muslim.

The only thing on Fox news that I have watched recently was Bill O'Reilly.  That was about a week ago.  Oddly enough, one of the topics was about Obama being Christian because this poll that you brought up came out.  IIRC, he tried to confirm that Obama was Christian.  I'm guessing I've watched more Fox news than you have recently, and believe it or not they said the opposite of what you said they would.  Obviously that's only one guy on the network but he has the most viewers of anyone on Fox, so calm down.  The bold is just ironic considering everything you stated had little to back it up.

I mean that a true believing muslim would never attend church like Obama has done many times. I do not talk about a church that Obama owns or anything. And you need to elaborate on that thing about the church he attends being anti-America.

If you planned on being a politician in America, you would pick a Christian church - regardless of which religion you actually follow.  The church he chose is one of the most anti-American Christian churches I've heard of.  I shouldn't need to elaborate why.  I'm sure you've at least heard of Jeremiah Wright.  

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jeremiah+wright

Yes

So, you're telling me instead of explaining things like I did above, I could have just said "Yes?"

That is why you need to look at the fact that he attends church. Also, do not forget that there is a difference between doubting him to be Christian and to believe that he is a Muslim.

Have you not read what I have wrote?  Do you honestly think anyone would have a shot at winning presidency if they didn't attend a Christian church.  I look at that fact, and nowhere does it scream to me that he must be Christian.  I don't really know what he is.  Don't really care.  If I had to guess, I'd say maybe Christian or maybe agnostic.  But again, whatever.  There are reasons to believe that he could be Muslim, and some people care about that.  

No one of any importance cares what religion Obama follows.

Wrong. The mob cares about what religion Obama follows and the mob decides whether USA will have a republican or a democratic president.
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Why would the mob care?

[Farley4Fan]

And on what basis do you build that statement on? Perhaps, if you look at Italy and Eastern Europe, there may be some heavy trouble with censorship in some of the countries but that is not the main problem in the USA. Actually, the main problem, as I see it, is that you have got crap like Fox News which is basically just republican propaganda that would love to spread a rumor about Obama being a Muslim.

The only thing on Fox news that I have watched recently was Bill O'Reilly.  That was about a week ago.  Oddly enough, one of the topics was about Obama being Christian because this poll that you brought up came out.  IIRC, he tried to confirm that Obama was Christian.  I'm guessing I've watched more Fox news than you have recently, and believe it or not they said the opposite of what you said they would.  Obviously that's only one guy on the network but he has the most viewers of anyone on Fox, so calm down.  The bold is just ironic considering everything you stated had little to back it up.

I mean that a true believing muslim would never attend church like Obama has done many times. I do not talk about a church that Obama owns or anything. And you need to elaborate on that thing about the church he attends being anti-America.

If you planned on being a politician in America, you would pick a Christian church - regardless of which religion you actually follow.  The church he chose is one of the most anti-American Christian churches I've heard of.  I shouldn't need to elaborate why.  I'm sure you've at least heard of Jeremiah Wright.  

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jeremiah+wright

Yes

So, you're telling me instead of explaining things like I did above, I could have just said "Yes?"

That is why you need to look at the fact that he attends church. Also, do not forget that there is a difference between doubting him to be Christian and to believe that he is a Muslim.

Have you not read what I have wrote?  Do you honestly think anyone would have a shot at winning presidency if they didn't attend a Christian church.  I look at that fact, and nowhere does it scream to me that he must be Christian.  I don't really know what he is.  Don't really care.  If I had to guess, I'd say maybe Christian or maybe agnostic.  But again, whatever.  There are reasons to believe that he could be Muslim, and some people care about that.  

No one of any importance cares what religion Obama follows.

Wrong. The mob cares about what religion Obama follows and the mob decides whether USA will have a republican or a democratic president.

Why would the mob care?

[YaYz0r]

Umm...wow.  ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN...all the rest are basically just democratic propaganda.  So it's 4v1.  I wouldn't complain.

I cannot tell whether you are bullshitting right now or not but if what you say has some sort of truth in it, you just prove my point.

The only thing on Fox news that I have watched recently was Bill O'Reilly.  That was about a week ago.  Oddly enough, one of the topics was about Obama being Christian because this poll that you brought up came out.  IIRC, he tried to confirm that Obama was Christian.  I'm guessing I've watched more Fox news than you have recently, and believe it or not they said the opposite of what you said they would.  Obviously that's only one guy on the network but he has the most viewers of anyone on Fox, so calm down.  The bold is just ironic considering everything you stated had little to back it up.

I guess he just brought the news about the poll and that Obama has said repeatably that he is a Christian like every other news station. If anything, it seems like Fox News are only really bad when there is an election going on. Anyway, take a look at these two links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2007/01/fox-news-admits-obamamuslim-story-was-toxic
I do not think they need further explanation.

And about the text you put in bold, I build my statements on what I hear, see and read in the media and what I hear from relatives living in the USA.

If you planned on being a politician in America, you would pick a Christian church - regardless of which religion you actually follow.  The church he chose is one of the most anti-American Christian churches I've heard of.  I shouldn't need to elaborate why.  I'm sure you've at least heard of Jeremiah Wright.  

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jeremiah+wright

I still do not think that a true believing Muslim would attend church as many times as Obama has done and deny his true faith and even have his children baptized in a Christian church. And yes, I have heard about him, but you forget that Obama has resigned his membership of that church and said that he is saddened and outraged by the behavior of Jeremiah Wright.

So, you're telling me instead of explaining things like I did above, I could have just said "Yes?"

No, I just did not really see what point that part of your post had.

Have you not read what I have wrote?  Do you honestly think anyone would have a shot at winning presidency if they didn't attend a Christian church.  I look at that fact, and nowhere does it scream to me that he must be Christian.  I don't really know what he is.  Don't really care.  If I had to guess, I'd say maybe Christian or maybe agnostic.  But again, whatever.  There are reasons to believe that he could be Muslim, and some people care about that.  

Like I said, the mob cares about him being a Christian or not. But there are honestly so many things that points in the direction of him being Christian that the few things that may indicate that he is a Muslim are outshined. I think that the problem is that some people actually want him to be a Muslim so that they can use it against him and have another reason to dislike or even hate him.

Why would the mob care?

USA is a very Christian country and I am sure that a lot of Christians would not like having a Muslim as their leader. Especially after 9/11, there has been a lot of, what I would call, unfair hostility against Muslims. Unfair because the terrorists were not actual Muslims but fanatics. Funny enough, you seem to prove that this hostility exists as you claim that if a Muslim was to attend a Christian church, the Muslim would attend the most anti-American one. Interesting.

[Farley4Fan]

I guess he just brought the news about the poll and that Obama has said repeatably that he is a Christian like every other news station. If anything, it seems like Fox News are only really bad when there is an election going on. Anyway, take a look at these two links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2007/01/fox-news-admits-obamamuslim-story-was-toxic
I do not think they need further explanation.

The first link, a 10 second soundbyte of some random fox host saying that it is a big story (not necessarily that it is a huge deal to be Muslim).  A lot of people in our country would care if he lied about his religion or not.  Context, it's important.  The second link, EVERY SINGLE NEWS NETWORK HAS DONE THIS.  The liberal side of the media (ABC, MSNBC, CBS) sent people on missions to Alaska to get dirt on Sarah Palin.  They get stories wrong, they sometimes flat out don't run stories, every single media news outlet has some kind of agenda and some have an agenda bigger than others.  I could post proof of bias, idiocy, and lies from every news outlet and I'm sure no news outlet around the world is completely innocent.

I'm not interested in media outlets from Europe so I don't have much knowledge regarding them - sans BBC.  What I do know is that because our media has FREEDOM of the PRESS, I have to take everything I hear with a grain of salt - especially when it comes to what one news outlet says about another.  You have to limit what you hear from the news regardless of where you live.  It's a better system than most (despite the faults we've listed) for the sole reason that you get to hear an infinite amount of perspectives on any issue at all.

I still do not think that a true believing Muslim would attend church as many times as Obama has done and deny his true faith and even have his children baptized in a Christian church. And yes, I have heard about him, but you forget that Obama has resigned his membership of that church and said that he is saddened and outraged by the behavior of Jeremiah Wright.

Yes?

If you are going to be president you must.  Maybe he's not a "true-believer" (whatever this term means, let's just stop using it).  Maybe he was at one point and converted to being Christian.  This is just a circle we are going in now.  So let's stop while we are ahead.  What you and I think is possible is different from what other people believe is possible.  Some people believe a Muslim could go to a Christian church and stomach the disagreement for the sake of being president.  Some people believe it's possible that he could worship Allah at a Christian church. 

I do not believe this to be the case, but is it really that hard to believe that it's at least plausible?  You called these people ignorant, but denying these as possibilities and believing the president just because he says something is like 18th century ignorance. 

And of course he would put down jeremiah wright after the scandal, it was hurting his public image and his chances at winning the presidency!  I call BS that he never heard anything like that during all his extensive years of attending that "Christian" church.  I mean, come on.

Like I said, the mob cares about him being a Christian or not. But there are honestly so many things that points in the direction of him being Christian that the few things that may indicate that he is a Muslim are outshined. I think that the problem is that some people actually want him to be a Muslim so that they can use it against him and have another reason to dislike or even hate him.

Well here you just prove my point.  If the mob can choose the president, I'm sure they can choose which religion they want him to follow.  Why couldn't they set up things to make him look Christian?  If mob can so choose, he may be Muslim again tomorrow should he piss off the mob.   :D

And it's your opinion that the Christian things outshine the Muslim things.  Some don't feel that way.  To say your opinion is ultimate and all others are ignorant is, well, ignorant. 

USA is a very Christian country and I am sure that a lot of Christians would not like having a Muslim as their leader. Especially after 9/11, there has been a lot of, what I would call, unfair hostility against Muslims. Unfair because the terrorists were not actual Muslims but fanatics. Funny enough, you seem to prove that this hostility exists as you claim that if a Muslim was to attend a Christian church, the Muslim would attend the most anti-American one. Interesting.

Yeah, I realized that what I said was wrong about a Muslim attending an anti-american church.  What I was getting at was that the church was so non-Christian.  However it still seems obvious that there are more anti-American muslims than there are anti-American Christians.  It came out a bit wrong but he did choose a pretty radical church. 

I don't believe Obama is Muslim, but I do believe he is pretty anti-American (ala, his church).  As in, he dissaproved of the way things have been done in America so gets elected to mold the country into the America that HE wants.  The day he bowed to another country's leader, I saw that as the day he showed acknowledgment that America sucked but "Hey!  MY America is better!  See?  I'm bowing before you!"  I see that as arrogance (not confidence) and that's a definitive trait I would NEVER want to see in my leader.  It also pisses me off that he decides to apologize for all the "harm" that America has caused.  As in, "Hey, I'm above all that shitty stuff and not related to it in any way but I'm sorry so love MY America now bla bla bla"

This is the kind of shit that really ticks me about Obama, not his religion.

[Ion.67]

NO PRESIDENT IS ANTI AMERICAN/ANTI AMERICA. You may have downs. No you do. It is people like you that can't pick out the UNITED STATES on world map. Go out, get some pussy, go to school, and come back her and rethink what you say. Let me say some things:

1. A lot of REPUBLICANS also agree that Palin is a dumb bitch. He picked her up to get the womens votes. Good choice for a select purpose, but no one who is dumb enough to pick her as their VP deserves to be president.

2. Any info you get is from the news, including videos. Don't say you take things with a grain of salt and then start posting about how he is anti-american and other BS because of the church he went to.

3. Fox news has a reputation for sucking ass, along with anyone who watches it

4. Anyone who thinks the president, or any president is anti-american has a severe case retardation. He ran to RUN THE COUNTRY. You don't take a job like that if you don't like what you are controlling.

5. IT IS HIS JOB to shape it into his vision. Contrary to a lot of beliefs, most americans would fuck the country up. His job is to take the flak when the country does something that people can't understand. If my neighbor ran the country, we'd be fucked.

6. You run for president. No one will vote for you because you lack the intelligence of an average american.

I can't wait for the next genocide, except this time we will kill anyone who can't find the US on a world map, and anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is smart. We would be a much better species.

[Farley4Fan]

NO PRESIDENT IS ANTI AMERICAN/ANTI AMERICA. You may have downs. No you do. It is people like you that can't pick out the UNITED STATES on world map. Go out, get some pussy, go to school, and come back her and rethink what you say. Let me say some things:

First of all Ion, fuck off.  Don't act like you know me.  Feel free to respond to my response to your bullshit.

1. A lot of REPUBLICANS also agree that Palin is a dumb bitch. He picked her up to get the womens votes. Good choice for a select purpose, but no one who is dumb enough to pick her as their VP deserves to be president.

Where the hell did I say anything about me liking Sarah Palin?  I didn't, dumbass, because I don't like her.  It's not like VP's do anything anyway.

2. Any info you get is from the news, including videos. Don't say you take things with a grain of salt and then start posting about how he is anti-american and other BS because of the church he went to.

By "take things with a grain of salt" I didn't mean that everything they tell/show you is a lie.  

3. Fox news has a reputation for sucking ass, along with anyone who watches it

I'd say every single news outlet sucks sometimes.  The only people I like on Fox are O'Reilly and Shephard Smith.  Most of the rest just seem scared, blind, and stupid.  The people who watch it suck ass?  How much of an asshole do you want to sound today?

4. Anyone who thinks the president, or any president is anti-american has a severe case retardation. He ran to RUN THE COUNTRY. You don't take a job like that if you don't like what you are controlling.

Are you stupid?  Why do you think we have laws that prevent non-Americans from becoming president?  To ensure that people who dislike our country don't get people in office to fuck things up from the inside.  It seems as though he didn't approve of ANYTHING America did before his presidency, what with all the bowing before leaders and apologies and shit.

5. IT IS HIS JOB to shape it into his vision. Contrary to a lot of beliefs, most americans would fuck the country up. His job is to take the flak when the country does something that people can't understand. If my neighbor ran the country, we'd be fucked.

Wtf do you mean contrary to a lot of beliefs?  Don't act like your words are edgy when they are redundant and obvious.  Rather than "shaping it into his vision", not fucking things up like you say should be the number one priority.  Ironically, he seems to have put his vision on the backburner in favor of being realistic.  He said he'd close Guantanamo, for instance.  Then he got into office, realizes he was being foolish, and keeps it running.

6. You run for president. No one will vote for you because you lack the intelligence of an average american.

This is your first post towards me on this topic and you go right for the attacks.  Why are you so mad all the time?  Must not get any pussy.

I can't wait for the next genocide, except this time we will kill anyone who can't find the US on a world map, and anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is smart. We would be a much better species.

Oh, real nice.  You lack the compassion of every decent president.  Have fun running and losing.

[CurdyMilk]

Ion why do you have to be so naive?

[Spark Mandriller]

Funny enough, you seem to prove that this hostility exists as you claim that if a Muslim was to attend a Christian church, the Muslim would attend the most anti-American one. Interesting.

ahahahaha

he's kind of got you there dude

[Farley4Fan]

I explained what I was getting at in my response.  I admit it sounded bad.  I meant that the church he chose was to me pretty non-Christian.  The anti-American thing had to do with more muslims being anti-american than Christians. 

[Spark Mandriller]

hahaha you're still fucking doing it

liking or disliking america isn't based on religion dude

[Farley4Fan]

You're taking it the wrong way.  I never said it was based on religion.  All I said was more Muslims hate America than Christians.  Redundant?  Yes, but that was all.  Fuck it.  I'm dropping it.

[CurdyMilk]

liking or disliking america isn't based on religion dude

I agree that hatred toward america is due to many factors outside of religion.  But the one major religious reason is because we support Israel.  Most of the world doesn't like it.  Soon our country will turn our backs on Israel so the rest of the world doesn't turn on us.  It's inevitable.

[Snakebit.]

This picture summarises US politics in the last 20 years , well may be more but who cares.

[nubishdubishbone]

at least americans dont just have to eject tongue and tap nose to "pick it"... oh yeah and horrible teeth..

6' 1", 185 Lbs. im not fat, im festively plump.

Fox news is retarded, Obama may as well be a muslim (and all other cultures, hell he's ghandi with human restrictions, far as religion goes). and yes he's a Commie.

BTW U.S. Military doesn't just "Turn Tail"...