Spawn spots ?

[DreadStunLock]

Spawns depend on the mapper. AFAIK dynamic spawns are possible and spawns in multi-stage maps too.

What about the dev team? What's your opinion on this? To me, I see it this way: Teamwork = no problem? Or am I missing a greater picture?

[Cronky]

Spawns seem kinda like a small piece of "Teamwork". For Spies, yes, it would kinda blow to be at one spawn waiting for your partner so you could co-op move somewhere only to have him spawn somewhere else (Would that make station impossible for one player?). Other than that though it seems like everything AFTER spawning determines how well you work together as a team. Just because you spawn somewhere else, doesn't mean you wont know where you are on your map and instantly can go run to backup your teammate.

I think dynamic spawn points works best with Mercs and static for spies, unless we're talking about Death Match. DM could benefit from having dynamic spawn points simply because the objective is the same for both teams, kill each other. Rids yourself of some maps spawn killing potential.

What I'd be interested in though is a Map where both the spies (or less so, Mercs) always start a life at different spawn points.

So my question is:
-Can you specify which spy (or Merc) spawns at a certain spawn point?

We've established that a mapper can indeed set up multiple spawn points, but can you restrict a single player to spawning at just one?

[frvge]

No. Seems illogical.

[Cronky]

Illogical? Seems like it'd just be splitting the teams into individual entities.

-Spy 1 spawns here
-Spy 2 spawns here

-Merc 1 spawns here
-Merc 2 spawns here

[frvge]

Yeah, makes no sense to me. Randomness is fine for that.

[Cronky]

Imagine someone made a cool level that had sectors, but each sector was opened up by the opposite teammate (Sector 1 is open to Spy 1. Spy 1 opens sector 2 for Spy 2. Spy 2 opens sector 3 for Spy 1. Etc etc.). The level is set up so that the teammate not currently opening up a sector always had a vantage point over the one that did as to provide backup and help stop the Merc(s). If randomness on spawn points is active then eventually the spies would screw up and both be on the same side, thus not being able to finish the level.

A specific example yes, but the ability to specify a specific spawn for each Spy and/or Merc can open up even more map designs.

[frvge]

Semi-isolating routes through the levels like that works well in Portal 2's Coop, but I don't see how it'd work in a normal PS game. For now, the answer is no.

[Cronky]

That's because nobody has done it! It's going to be awesome. You'll see! ;)

[Farley4Fan]

KISMET!

right?

I think I totally missed the point of that whole video.

[DreadStunLock]

KISMET!

right?

I think I totally missed the point of that whole video.

The thing is Farley, Agent never ever used UDK in his life and I can tell he lied about that this topic was discussed alot sijce this thread holds absolutely no value, cause he thinks that spawn points are randomly generated and have limited options. If we delete every post and leave just the one above. The thread is pretty much solved.

P.S: Notice how 90% of the threads Agent starts always begin with "This shit was discussed alot"

[Bubbaganoosh]

Static spawns would be fine and to remove spawn camping mappers would have to make at least three ways out of the Spy spawn.
That way if the two mercs are camping two routes the third one is open (or fourth as the case may or may not be). Let them camp
all they want, the Spys will find go around them another way. This is as long as no two spawns can be camped at the same time
(seen from one merc).

[DreadStunLock]

Exactly, as well as clever places for camnet, and not cheesy shit like you can see the spawn, for example poor map design on Polar base, Missile Strike, Club House, Factory and many more.

[Farley4Fan]

Knooger ruined steel squat for me.

Question:  Why the f*ck(!) is it called steel squat?

[DreadStunLock]

Because it's made out of steel and it gives jack shit of a squat?

[NeoSuperior]

Exactly, as well as clever places for camnet, and not cheesy shit like you can see the spawn, for example poor map design on Polar base, Missile Strike, Club House, Factory and many more.

Oh? So River Mall's "i always know where you are"-camnet was ok for you? Well it's the opposite: The only place where you do NOT know the location of the spy, is the spawn...