Game mechanics

[monterto]

making the spy truly invisible is a lame hack.  It just destroys the credibility of hiding in the shadows.

If you are in a shadow,  but the wall behind you is completely lit...you SHOULD be visible in profile as completely black.

Yeah, I don't like the invisibility either.

lol but your name is invisible man haha  :D

FFS

[Lurch]

What about insta-nades? Surely you have noticed how some people have started shooting instas like 50% of the time (they fire them in a certain arc, try shooting frags about 7 meters in front of you) and this can seriously cripple aggro. Either way, it takes some skill to do (though i'm not saying all instas occur like that).

No doubt we won't be seeing instas in PS, but I wanted to know what people think about this "skill".

[Gawain]

it's no skill it's totally random.

[Farley4Fan]

It is random, one time I ended up getting 3 insta nades in a row.  The little faggot host went back to the lobby and booted me for cheating, of course it was totally lucky, but the little baby couldn't take it.  ::)  Sometimes I won't get an insta-nade in a couple games, then I will get a couple all of a sudden.  AFAIK there is no way to force an insta-nade on console, but I know they are more common when you shoot them at corners of walls or objects.

[Gawain]

plz stfu with console stuff, get the game for pc and play several hundred hours with some vets to get some experience.

[Farley4Fan]

FUCK YOU, I just reinforced what you said and you told me to shut the fuck up?  Insta nades DO happen on console, and insta nades DO happen on PC.  How about you get the game for console, play several hundred hours with some vets to get some experience.  That is total bullshit that you have to play on PC to be a veteran.  I am sure you are a total noob at console version, I am a total noob at PC version, that is obvious.  It is the same game with different controls, chat abilities, and a map editor.  Just because PS is coming out for PC doesn't mean you are veteran because you play PC and I don't.  Can someone tell me why the PC version is the better of the two versions other than the community console has?  Please, tell me why it soo much more 1337 to play PC instead of console.  An explanation would be nice.  Why is pointing and clicking take soo much more skill than an analog stick?  I would like to see a PC player weild an analog stick who has never used one before. Fuck off Gawain.

I understand this is a PC veteran community, but please, stop treating me like dogshit because I am a veteran of a different version, but the SAME GAME.  The game has the same problems, same glitches, same bugs.  Maybe each version has its own glitches, but a lot of the glitches are on both versions: Vision change, insta-nades, etc...

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

Well on PC the controls are more 'controlable', so you can do HUGE combos of moves. So unlike the console version, you can switch visions, while doing the stand-crouch move, changing movement speed and moving around. Also at the same time you can drop the nades you have at the primary slots.
I really don't think it is possible to do all this stuff at once on a console.

[Gawain]

i don't think that competitive online gaming on a console can get anywhere close the pc skill level. the stuff you wrote about aqua says everything on you skill level anyways...

[Farley4Fan]

You can drop grenades at your feet when they are at your primary slots while rolling, changing visions, crouching.  You can do everything you just listed on console.  Do you PC players know anything about console?  You shouldn't be saying that it is more advanced if you don't know what you can do on console.  I am not saying console is better by any means, I am asking why console vets get kicked to the curb because  they aren't playing the pc version.  I am almost at the pinnacle of how good console players can even be on CT, I will admit PC players can be more skilled than console players at CT.  But the reason because of that is that console players aren't able to use the same little tricks as you PC players.  It is impossible to do the crouch roll crouch on a console, it is totally impossible.  But because we can't do the little tricks it is harder for us to do good anyways, so yes, it is more of a challenge on console ( when you aren't playing with noobs ).

I always hear talk of PC players with easier controls, or abilities to do big combos, shouldn't that mean that it is easier to play CT on PC?  With console controls being harder or less capable, shouldn't that mean that they have to have more skill to even maneouver or even do little tricks to succeed?  I would absolutely love to see a PC player have a go at the xbox controls and be able to succeed, because I would suck at the PC controls and I wouldn't be able to succeed.  And yes, I do need to work on my PC control skill because of PS only coming to PC.  You would all need to work on your xbox controller skills if it were only coming to xbox.  And yes, I agree with you about online gaming being not as good on PC, but that is only because we have a lot of noobs on console because a lot of children get consoles and not big expensive PC's for christmas/birthdays/etc...

i don't think that competitive online gaming on a console can get anywhere close the pc skill level. the stuff you wrote about aqua says everything on you skill level anyways...

I don't think a PC player could get anywhere close to console skill level, and quite possibly a console player not getting as good on PC as well.

[InvisibleMan999]

i don't think that competitive online gaming on a console can get anywhere close the pc skill level.

Wrong.

Yes, PC controls are more fluid and easier, this much is true. But it doesn't mean that you're a better player because you use a mouse instead of an xbox controller. I've seen my share of newbies on xbox and PC, so it's not like people are worse because of the medium you choose to play on. There are some quality xbox players. Their videos won't look as impressive as a PC video because the controllers are less precise, but this doesn't mean that they're any less skilled. It just means that they're playing a different style of game. It's much like bringing a rifle to an archery contest and saying that you're more skilled because of it.

Believe me, there are people out there who do nothing but play console FPS games and they get damn good. Until you can pick up an xbox controller and own some of the better players, you really have no right saying that PC players are "more skilled".

((Disclaimer: while I am defending console players in general, I don't defend anything Papa Skull said specifically. His tactics on aqua were very newb IMO))

[Gawain]

that's the point rofl. the controls are the very basics to every game; they should be intuitive and stay in the background. it's like making moving the pieces in chess very hard, just toal bs. you can't focus on advanced tactics if you have to be bothered by bad controls all the time. sure, it takes some micro to hit anything with a controller. but playing the game in handstand won't make it any better...

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

just a note that on a console you can't bind a series of functions to one key. (the way i do triple nades)
Also even without this, you have like 20-25 keys to control your character on a pc, while you have about 15 on a pad. also you have the mouse on pc.
That means that the console players will be able to pull off the advanced tricks, but it will be harder for them, while the PC players will do them easier.

[Farley4Fan]

So, having a game that is easier makes it better?  I am not saying that either version is better, I am saying that each version is the same game.  Just the way that people play them is different.  Being different doesn't make you better.  Try playing CT on the console, if you haven't ever used an analog stick before then you will fail big time, BIG TIME.  Same as me trying to use all of those keys and the mouse to play, I would fail big time.  Once you are used to the controls, they are relatively easy.  You don't have to think about pushing a button to do it or even worry about what buttons to push in a certain order to pull them off.  You just think they are bad controls because  you aren't used to them, plain and fucking simple.  To me, having over 20 keys sounds too advanced and don't really stay in the background, but that is just because I am not used to them.

You probably have never seen something like this before but one time I let my dad play my xbox.  He used to be a big Doom fan and he played FPS games on PC.  He knew how to use PC controls to control games like that ( somewhat like merc controls basically )  I gave him the controller with analog sticks, go figure, and you should have seen him.  He could barely do anything, at all.  Analog sticks are a pain in the ass if you have never used them, something about him moving his thumbs all the time was his problem.  It is just whatever you are used to.  Anywho, I don't believe any version is better because they are almost the same game with little different features for each version.

But somehow I keep getting pushed aside, although I play the same game, for having " harder " controls.  If this was mostly a console community you would not see me telling some guy who played PC to shut the fuck up for saying something.

BTW wouldn't it mean you are a noob and it is more of a challenge for console players?  The fact that you can string together controls is ridiculous.  It is wayy harder for console players to pull off triple nades, PC players have it at the press of a button.  So, if I had all of these glorious controls wouldn't it make me a lot more deadly on PC?  Don't call me a noob when you are stringing together chaff smoke and flash by pushing the "G" button.  Go buy a xbox and CT, then call me a noob.

[InvisibleMan999]

that's the point rofl. the controls are the very basics to every game; they should be intuitive and stay in the background. it's like making moving the pieces in chess very hard, just toal bs. you can't focus on advanced tactics if you have to be bothered by bad controls all the time. sure, it takes some micro to hit anything with a controller. but playing the game in handstand won't make it any better...

While the controls have an impact on the game, a big one in fact, they have nothing to do with player skill.

You can be a good player with an xbox controller or a good player with a mouse and keyboard.

However, control style doesn't make a game less tactical regardless, it just means you have to adapt. Some tactics that would work fine on PC don't work on xbox, other tactics that don't work on PC work well on xbox. Believe me, there's just as much teamwork on xbox as there is in the PC version. You've got headsets, you can plan and strategize every bit as much. In fact, I tend to feel like the game has a bit more strategic value on xbox, mostly because EAX and graphics settings aren't out of control, so there's less of a need to go into aggro mode when you can sneak past people.

I'm not really sure how you equate control style with making a statement of overall player skill. That line of thinking doesn't even make any sense.

[Gawain]

papa skull, you are indeed a n00b. i don't give a shit about different controls, and sure there are some good scct console players out there (i guess invisible is one of them). sorry, but everything you say smells like n00b. you didn't even understand my last post and just spam another long post with no new statement (besides that your father rulez).
kokafan: you are a big n00b, too. i know this for sure, because i played you some games. additionally, you lagg like shit. but at least, you don't post shit all the time. oh and regarding triple nading: it's totally overrated, you have to give up sticky cams or a surveilance gadget for it, and playing with scripts comes close to cheating fucktard.

invisible: is the balance better on xbox? the xbox version already has some of the fixes i wanna see for ps like normal post render, better camosuit (because of lower res; i heard about the green thing on xbox360 though), no eax superhearing, etc