Camera Network (Poll)

[Westfall]

I voted "other"

I would like to see camnet just gone altogether. There are plenty of security failures to give you an idea of where the spy might be.

If there had to be another choice: I would say Zed's idea with a few refinements. I think both mercs should get 1 cam to shoot out, and they automatically have it (aka doesn't use up a slot [unless there are 5 slots]).  I don't think there should be 3. 1/merc is just fine. They both can shot 1 out, communicate with each other, and they can protect other areas knowing they have cams down in other areas.

[Spekkio]

People need to learn how to vote. Westfall, you shouldn't have voted "other," you should've voted for the option that says to get rid of camnet and replace it since that's what your post basically says you would support. Zed's Idea isn't a "new gadget." It constitutes as "other" because it's basically camnet with a huge re-work. I wouldn't mind an actively placed camnet, but security booths are lame. How many times do you actually GO into the hologram room in River Mall? That's what a booth would be like. Booths could work if camnet were a gimme, but if it's gonna take up a slot you shouldn't have to travel to a booth to use it. That's just overkill.

SClamers poll is heavily in favor of option 2: http://sclamers.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1531

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

[neth]

I also think booth idea is terrible

[B1nArY_001]

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

I still like the idea, and I think most people lack the imagination to see how it could work and not just work, but work well... /shrug

Just because people don't like the idea doesn't mean it sucks. The HBS was considered a sucky useless gadget too. Look at how many people were wrong and have found out how useful it is.

On the flip side of that, if people hate the idea and there are other options then it would be silly to implement the idea people don't like.

I just happen to disagree with you, I'm not a fool  ;)

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

it would be silly to implement the idea people don't like.

No it wouldn't be. It would make the game ALOT less predictable, since merc's would have not only counter the effects of the gadget (whatever it is), but also the way it works.

[Farley4Fan]

The river mall holo thing is not what the booth thing would be like.  Say there are little consoles in the walls scattered around the map.  THat doesn't necessarily mean they are far away from objectives.  In a map like river mall there would be a booth on each side of the room on top.  You have to take a keycard to access these booths, which would take up a slot.  With 5 slots I don't see it being a problem.  Or you just give the keycard permanently to mercs.   Downside to Booth Security Cam thing is that you can't control the cameras and you can't just look through cameras anywhere you want to.  The upside is being able to see through cameras and see chokepoints on the maps without actually having to be there.

This will fix camnet camping because spies will know that they are on one of the booths if they see an activated cam.  It will also fix it because mercs can't just go find a nice corner and just sit there, their backs will be exposed.

If you have ever watched an NFL game you will know what I am talking about booths.  When they review plays they go check and see what happened in a booth.  Of course these booths should look a little more high tech though...

[Westfall]

People need to learn how to vote. Westfall, you shouldn't have voted "other," you should've voted for the option that says to get rid of camnet and replace it since that's what your post basically says you would support. Zed's Idea isn't a "new gadget." It constitutes as "other" because it's basically camnet with a huge re-work. I wouldn't mind an actively placed camnet, but security booths are lame. How many times do you actually GO into the hologram room in River Mall? That's what a booth would be like. Booths could work if camnet were a gimme, but if it's gonna take up a slot you shouldn't have to travel to a booth to use it. That's just overkill.

SClamers poll is heavily in favor of option 2: http://sclamers.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1531

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

Actually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other." Want to know the chances of that happening? Nadda, because everyone likes the POS that is camnet. Therefore, I expressed the alternative (Zed's idea), which you just happen to say is STILL under the "other" category. I don't know how you're going to tell me I voted wrong when you actually contradict yourself.

[DrKennethNoisewater]

yes, some of the vote options overlap themselves, you all need to get over your ego

also, the camnet/security cam implementation idea is a good idea, and binary hit the nail on the head when he said a lack of imagination killed it. the people who didn't like the idea took the liberty of explaining how it would work and therefore disregarded it as an option. to work, it could not be just like the security cam... and... well w/e... //shrug

[Zedblade]

People need to learn how to vote. Westfall, you shouldn't have voted "other," you should've voted for the option that says to get rid of camnet and replace it since that's what your post basically says you would support. Zed's Idea isn't a "new gadget." It constitutes as "other" because it's basically camnet with a huge re-work. I wouldn't mind an actively placed camnet, but security booths are lame. How many times do you actually GO into the hologram room in River Mall? That's what a booth would be like. Booths could work if camnet were a gimme, but if it's gonna take up a slot you shouldn't have to travel to a booth to use it. That's just overkill.

SClamers poll is heavily in favor of option 2: http://sclamers.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1531

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

No it's a new gadget. Don't tell me what my idea is. The camnet is gone, replaced by a NEW gadget the merc's place themselves and a NEW gadget that they look through.

And 'security consoles.' are not lame, they are in now way like the hologram in mall. They all small self-contained computer consoles that will be in strategic areas. Some maps could have one, some could have 9. OR, they could be picked up and moved by the merc.

Like I said before, doesn't really matter what wins this poll, it's about what works, not what seems cool or lame on text.

[Farley4Fan]

I think that security booths would be cool, realistic, and balance out the camnet.

[Spekkio]

Actually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other."

So then clearly you need to learn to read. Option 4 clearly states "discard the idea entirely (hint: "the idea" refers to camnet) and replace it with another gadget."

No it's a new gadget. Don't tell me what my idea is. The camnet is gone, replaced by a NEW gadget the merc's place themselves and a NEW gadget that they look through.

Really? And what would you call this network of cams that the mercs are setting up and looking through? When it boils down to it, your idea is still camnet. It's a drastically different camnet, but camnet nonetheless.

[Zedblade]

Actually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other."

So then clearly you need to learn to read. Option 4 clearly states "discard the idea entirely (hint: "the idea" refers to camnet) and replace it with another gadget."

No it's a new gadget. Don't tell me what my idea is. The camnet is gone, replaced by a NEW gadget the merc's place themselves and a NEW gadget that they look through.

Really? And what would you call this network of cams that the mercs are setting up and looking through? When it boils down to it, your idea is still camnet. It's a drastically different camnet, but camnet nonetheless.

Hmm,

Lets see, I disregarded the idea of pre-placed cameras scattered through the map, that the merc would look through using his wrist view port entirely and created a new gadget that would allow the merc more accessible options in the placement of the cameras and the view port, but also give the spies the ability to use it in their favor.

How can you disregard the idea of camnet entirely while still making a new gadget that is completely different from CT's camnet but is still isn't basically a form of camnet? You can't.

Unless maybe you give the merc's little jetpacks that allows them to fly high in the sky and look down with binoculars.

OR..

Give the merc's a satellite high in the sky that can zoom all the way down and through buildings, detecting motion and heat signatures throughout the whole map, but can't pinpoint exact locations and only see's moving outlines or only dots...

okay that wasn't that bad of a idea.

Still, it's still technically a camnet...kinda.

the poll isn't all that clear and it doesn't really matter what is chosen. The one with the most votes will be 'researched and tested' first, but that doesn't mean it's going to stay in the game.

[B1nArY_001]

Spekkio, you're being an ass bro. Chill out with the always needing to be right or take it elsewhere. It's rude, annoying and childish.

The only reason I made the poll was to get an idea of what the community would like to see. We will of course do our best to make it work but I believe everyone here is intelligent enough to realize that what they want to see may not be workable and the mod might be better off with something else. I'm also sure they have the maturity to accept that without pissing and moaning like a 5 year old. Can you say the same Spekkio? Or will you continue to act as if you have something to prove?

I know I'm being just as much of an ass at the moment but quite frankly, I'm fucking fed up with your ass.

It's bad enough that you are sarcastic and rude but you are constantly talking down to people and cutting them down. If you were physically capable, you would be a bully. Have a little self respect.

[Westfall]

Actually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other."

So then clearly you need to learn to read. Option 4 clearly states "discard the idea entirely (hint: "the idea" refers to camnet) and replace it with another gadget."

Then it was not clearly stated because it was confusing to an individual. This has absolutely nothing to do with my "reading ability" as you so boldly state. Option 4 does not clearly state shit until you give me "the hint." And trust me, its not because I'm an ignorant moron. Rather, you believe that I just up and know what you're talking about. Let me know when that time of the month has passed.

[Spekkio]

Lets see, I disregarded the idea of pre-placed cameras scattered through the map, that the merc would look through using his wrist view port entirely and created a new gadget that would allow the merc more accessible options in the placement of the cameras and the view port, but also give the spies the ability to use it in their favor.

How can you disregard the idea of camnet entirely while still making a new gadget that is completely different from CT's camnet but is still isn't basically a form of camnet? You can't.

You just contradicted yourself. You're admitting that your gadget is still a form of camnet. That means that you should not have voted for "discard the idea entirely," as you are just trying to re-do camnet.

Give the merc's a satellite high in the sky that can zoom all the way down and through buildings, detecting motion and heat signatures throughout the whole map, but can't pinpoint exact locations and only see's moving outlines or only dots...

Haha...that sounds like that cool gun from Perfect Dark. Only problem is it turned the game into a camp fest just trying to snipe everyone through the map.

Then it was not clearly stated because it was confusing to an individual.

You and zed seem to be the only ones confused, since 22 other people knew what it meant. That's clear enough where you should've understood it. Doesn't really matter because you and zed's stupidity cancel each other out in the final poll numbers anyway.

quite frankly, I'm fucking fed up with your ass.

Sucks to be you then.

It's bad enough that you are sarcastic and rude but you are constantly talking down to people and cutting them down. If you were physically capable, you would be a bully.

Don't cry because your integrated camnet/security cam idea sucked *hands you a tissue.* Btw, I'm glad that you equate calling out stupidity with being a bully. That's a very smart comparison.