The Assault Rifle Discussion

[MR.Mic]

If I can see someone clear as day, and I don't suspect they will try to flash me, why would I turn on EMF or even MT?

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Flashbangs are good gadgets for covering your movement, and for escaping. Period.

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If someone is searching for you in the dark, they aren't going to have EMF on the whole time.

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Why would a merc turn on EMF? Even with laser?  You still have to scan the area with the laser, and if you don't detect anything, the spy is going to get away easily.

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[element54]

If I can see someone clear as day, and I don't suspect they will try to flash me, why would I turn on EMF or even MT?

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Flashbangs are good gadgets for covering your movement, and for escaping. Period.

lol

If someone is searching for you in the dark, they aren't going to have EMF on the whole time.

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Why would a merc turn on EMF? Even with laser?  You still have to scan the area with the laser, and if you don't detect anything, the spy is going to get away easily.

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[Gawain]

ähm ... lol ;D

[frvge]

I agree with Mic. Sry Papa. Always expect the Spy to drop flash.

[Farley4Fan]

wtf?  The god damn argument was about chasing a spy with EMF/Laser on.  I gave a fucking example, but, hey you all ignored it.  And that's cool, if you don't want to have a real conversation, because you aren't entirely listening to my argument.  According to all of your logic, smoke grenades and flash grenades are completely useless because everyone suspects them to be thrown 100% of the time.  If that's so, then how come it is common to be blinded by flash grenades?  The reason why is that it happens so fast even if you were expecting it.  Here was my example you all ignored:

Example:  You are at Polar Base.  You come from hangar to stop the spy from hacking the container.  He sees you coming and you flip on EMF and laser.  At that point he is trying to escape.  You try to chase him down, but you can't see him because he has no visions on.  You try to scan the area with laser but you can't because of all the clutter in that area.  He runs toward the generators, but you don't know that because your sound reticule was replaced by the laser.  So, you search the area near the tower.  And what has the spy done?  He has escaped!  Hey, imagine that!

It was about EMF + laser combo.  And THAT is what can happen if you use only that, there you go!  It wasn't about stopping the spy from hacking, it was about chasing down the escaping spy.

It's next to impossible to flip on a vision right when you see a grenade in your face. 

Flash Chaff is an even better combo because, like I said before but you all seemed to ignore that also, the merc can't use visions when hit by the chaff.  Making flash bangs even easier to blind someone with.  And hey, that makes it great for escaping.

My Loadout:  Flash, Chaff, Sticky Cams, Heartbeat - It's a loadout designed for my kind of stealth and play, on most maps.

SS + Chaff + Flash = Blinded merc and an easier escape

At that point, the merc IS blinded, therefore, flashes make for an EXCEPTIONAL means of escaping.  Especially when coupled with chaff.

[Gawain]

usually mt is the best vision for chasing as the box stays on the target even around corners and you are immune to flash (+if you switch on mt after getting ss+flashed you often see the direction the spy headed). but usually people also spam smoke which creates a non-transparent black cloud in mt so it's usually a good idea to use the laser for the box tracking and emf for navigation (+ghosting/normal glowing as spies are likely to use tv in smoke or when there could be mines).

[neth]

usually mt is the best vision for chasing as the box stays on the target even around corners

imo its a thing to change. The box stays for too long which makes no sense and is unfair.

[Farley4Fan]

That's why I gave my example though.  There is an example where EMF + Laser can pretty much screw you over.  To get the box tracking you need to be able to get the laser on him.  In a cluttered area, or a vertical area, it's not the easiest thing to do.  When you get your laser out, you can't hear him and he can turn around towards you for all you know, especially if you have EMF on and he doesn't have a vision on.  You could get lucky and possibly see his ghost, true.  But in a situation like the one I've said, he'll more than likely get away.

To be honest, EMF + Laser is actually a pretty good combination for locating stationary spies.  The second they turn on a vision/use the ss you see them.  You could see the ghost.  And you can just scan the area with a laser until you box him.  But as for escaping spies, you don't really need to locate them.  Rather you need to be able to keep following him and figure out where he is going and keep him from getting there.

 I know MT is the best choice for tracking.  But, not if I can see the guy so obviously.  And if he is running the other way, I can always switch to a vision by the time he turns around to ss/spam me with nades.  MT wasn't what this little disagreement was about.

usually mt is the best vision for chasing as the box stays on the target even around corners

imo its a thing to change. The box stays for too long which makes no sense and is unfair.

I agree to this.  It's not a huge change, but it could make a difference.  My main problem with MT is it's ability to pick up things behind the merc and it's ability to pick up slowly moving spies, even if they had camo on.

[Gawain]

usually mt is the best vision for chasing as the box stays on the target even around corners

imo its a thing to change. The box stays for too long which makes no sense and is unfair.

you speak total bullshit. the only thing wrong with mt is it's ability to detect stationary spies (especially in the dark) and that there is no slow climb move. i'm quite confident mr.mic finds the right balance.

[BurningDeath]

usually mt is the best vision for chasing as the box stays on the target even around corners

imo its a thing to change. The box stays for too long which makes no sense and is unfair.

you speak total bullshit. the only thing wrong with mt is it's ability to detect stationary spies (especially in the dark) and that there is no slow climb move. i'm quite confident mr.mic finds the right balance.

Don't forget the 360Ã,° radius, which should be lowered to the field of view only.

[Farley4Fan]

It isn't going to totally matter if the box stays for that extra second.  I'm sure people will adapt to it and forget completely about it anyways.  It should only detect moving objects in the field of view, it should only detect medium to fast movement.  Meaning that it wouldn't detect anyone slow crouching.  There also needs to be a slow climb, like said before.  And it's semi night vision capabilities need to be taken out.  Wow.  That's a lot of nerfing.  But, if that's what is going to make it a balanced vision then nerf away lol

[neth]

you speak total bullshit.

haha.

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Now when the spy runs behind the corner you are often able to tell if he is going to stop there  and try to neck you or know his very next moves. It's because the box stays for a 0,5 sec too long. If it disappeared in the moment when you lose eye contact with the spy it would make more sense. Besides, there is no logical reason to be as it is now.

[Gawain]

yes, there is: it's good for hunting down spies. the  visions need a better specialization, not nerfing of their special abilities. this means taking away mt's ability to detect static spies (and probably spies with camo) and the emf ghosting, but definitely not the 360Ã,° detection or the box timer. i even suggest removing the detection delay.

i really don't feel like discussing this topic again, especially not with noobs like you. i don't care if you call me a flamer or something else, but you suck at this game and are unable to discuss about game mechanics reasonably.

[BurningDeath]

yes, there is: it's good for hunting down spies. the  visions need a better specialization, not nerfing of their special abilities. this means taking away mt's ability to detect static spies (and probably spies with camo) and the emf ghosting, but definitely not the 360Ã,° detection or the box timer. i even suggest removing the detection delay.

I don't really care about the box timer, but it doesn't make sense to me, that spies can get detected by MT when they're climbing up a box at the other side of the map and the merc doesn't even look there. But yeah .. that makes me a noob .. right.

i really don't feel like discussing this topic again, especially not with noobs like you. i don't care if you call me a flamer or something else, but you suck at this game and are unable to discuss about game mechanics reasonably.

yeah .. now NoX-Rambo shows up in Gawain .. I always knew what kind of person you where and I stated it before. You were warned so many times now and still we get to see posts like this. I'm sick of it.
Someone ban that guy!

[frvge]

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