Host Compensation

[Farley4Fan]

No man.  The only thing that the "host" doesn't control is the connection.  He has no influence on the connection.  The guy who started the game has control of the way the match goes.  His connection doesn't matter.  And this isn't like if you join a game from the list and you get the host.  You can create games and edit the settings and kick players and everything.  The beauty of it is that your connection doesn't affect other players and you don't get an advantage for hosting the game.  Because your connection isn't hosting the game.

[AgentX_003]

Well there IS ESSENTIALLY a host, he just doesn't host the connection.  He hosts everything else though, like I said before - game mode, map, kick players etc..

And try to realize that this isn't CT.  It will have a better connection/netcode than CT did and you should have better experiences with this so called "dedicated host"

which sucks....and when the game starts, theres no way to lobby. Unless the host is present.

im going to have to say you fail hardcore on this west.. I dont think uve ever played on a dedicated for counterstrike  for example.. sure it may be dedicated but you get more options AND you can actually see both camera angles  as a recon admin , or admin. in spectator mode.

[Farley4Fan]

This isn't like that guys.  What aren't you understanding?  And agent, he was just stating his own personal opinion, he doesn't fail lol.

The host DOES play in the game.  He's not a specator like CT's dedicated servers.  Think of it this way.  You can control a dedicated server and play in it.  Your connection doesn't matter because it won't effect the other players and you don't get host advantage because you aren't hosting the game's actual connection.  You only decide on things.  Think of it this way.  It's like hosting a regular match, but the host advantage is GONE.

[Ion.67]

Papa, do you know what a dedicated server is?

It is usually a dedicated machine, running only a few very powerful servers. If you broaden that, it is a machine running a server, and that is it. You do not play in the same server that you are hosting. If you do, then it is not a dedicated server.

[Westfall]

This isn't like that guys.  What aren't you understanding?  And agent, he was just stating his own personal opinion, he doesn't fail lol.

The host DOES play in the game.  He's not a specator like CT's dedicated servers.  Think of it this way.  You can control a dedicated server and play in it.  Your connection doesn't matter because it won't effect the other players and you don't get host advantage because you aren't hosting the game's actual connection.  You only decide on things.  Think of it this way.  It's like hosting a regular match, but the host advantage is GONE.

Won't your ping still be ridiculously small, practically giving you host advantage, if you're playing on your dedicated server?

[Farley4Fan]

Papa, do you know what a dedicated server is?

It is usually a dedicated machine, running only a few very powerful servers. If you broaden that, it is a machine running a server, and that is it. You do not play in the same server that you are hosting. If you do, then it is not a dedicated server.

I know that.  That's why I've quoted dedicated server and host a few times.  "dedicated server", "host".

Why?  Because it's kind of both.  The guy who starts the game can control the dedicated server that he started.  He doesn't host the connection, but he has power over other things.  It's a hybrid.  The best option.

[Westfall]

Papa, do you know what a dedicated server is?

It is usually a dedicated machine, running only a few very powerful servers. If you broaden that, it is a machine running a server, and that is it. You do not play in the same server that you are hosting. If you do, then it is not a dedicated server.

I know that.  That's why I've quoted dedicated server and host a few times.  "dedicated server", "host".

Why?  Because it's kind of both.  The guy who starts the game can control the dedicated server that he started.  He doesn't host the connection, but he has power over other things.  It's a hybrid.  The best option.

Still will have an advantage. Your ping is lower no matter what. It is your server after all.

[Ion.67]

Papa, do you know what a dedicated server is?

It is usually a dedicated machine, running only a few very powerful servers. If you broaden that, it is a machine running a server, and that is it. You do not play in the same server that you are hosting. If you do, then it is not a dedicated server.

I know that.  That's why I've quoted dedicated server and host a few times.  "dedicated server", "host".

Why?  Because it's kind of both.  The guy who starts the game can control the dedicated server that he started.  He doesn't host the connection, but he has power over other things.  It's a hybrid.  The best option.

I still don't understand. Is he hosting the server on his own machine? If you do, then you still will get a "host advantage" because the ping to your machine shouldn't be very high.

[Westfall]

Papa, do you know what a dedicated server is?

It is usually a dedicated machine, running only a few very powerful servers. If you broaden that, it is a machine running a server, and that is it. You do not play in the same server that you are hosting. If you do, then it is not a dedicated server.

I know that.  That's why I've quoted dedicated server and host a few times.  "dedicated server", "host".

Why?  Because it's kind of both.  The guy who starts the game can control the dedicated server that he started.  He doesn't host the connection, but he has power over other things.  It's a hybrid.  The best option.

I still don't understand. Is he hosting the server on his own machine? If you do, then you still will get a "host advantage" because the ping to your machine shouldn't be very high.

Lol...thats what im sayin...hehe

[Farley4Fan]

omg.  The server isn't hosted on his machine.  Think of it THIS way.  You start up a dedicated server that connects to PS's main server.  If that's possible.  Hold on, let me think this over. 

[Ion.67]

PS doesn't have a main server, and that would make no sense in the first place. A host is pretty much the computer that runs the server. You don't host something, that then sends it to a "main server" and play on that. If that was the case, why not just have hundreds of dedicated servers already up from this main server.

Keep it the way it is now. That brings a more...personal feel. No clue what I mean.

The way it is now, fits perfectly with this game, because of the small amount of players. For games with 30+ players, dedicated servers are great, because of the reduced lag from the host having a dedicated machine. Guarenteed this mod is not going to get big enough to have companies being payed to host servers. It just won't happen.

[Overstatement]

Did anyone actually read my post? Everything will be ok, you'll be able to see the pings of servers you're joining.

[frvge]

What Westfall says is not correct.

I ping 20 (which is actually high for the distance) to the servers I have in Amsterdam. Neverdown pings 9.
The good point of a dedicated server:
No crap on the harddisk, no crap in the RAM (antivirus, Word, Internet Explorer or w/e), so it's only the OS and the game => more stable.

Add to that an upload of 100mbit/s and that's it.

A 'dedicated server' that you host on your own PC and where you can play on is called a 'listen server'.
CT's dedicated servers aren't really dedicated: you need a graphical interface to run it and therefor it's usually hosted by normal PCs. (99.99999% of all servers do not have a graphics card. It's all onboard).

[Cyntrox]

It's this easy: I set up a dedicated server, frvge connects first and is therefore made the game master. Then 3 other players join, and the 4 of them play a game. I'm not in the game, I just set up the server, yet the server has someone ruling it.

[Spekkio]

If I am not mistaken it's not a matter of coding, but of connection to games.  Everyone has a fair chance with all dedicated servers.  Of course the guy who starts the dedicated server gets to choose the map/game mode/equipment and he has the right to kick people and reserve slots.  So essentially, he IS the host of the game, but not everyone is connected directly to his server and he receives NO host advantage.  Problem solved.

No, it's a matter of coding. The fact that the host's sticky shock lasts 1 second longer than client's is shitty coding. The fact that host gets uber auto-aim jump hit detection while clients routinely land on merc's heads with no result is bad coding. The fact that hosts get an arrow on radar pointing to trapped/bulleted opponents no matter how far away they are while the client's range is limited is shitty coding. The fact that hosts can hear poison mines while clients can't is shitty coding. The fact that MT sensitivity works differently for hosts and clients is shitty coding. This stuff isn't due to lag; it exists no matter how low the ping is.

THIS is the stuff that needs to be fixed -- er, I should say, implemented properly since PS isn't made yet. Once it is, dedicated servers aren't that big of a deal so long as you have enough of a playerbase to find a game in your region.