Grappling Hook

[Spekkio]

Why should a merc be any more inept than a spy?

Well it depends on how the grappling hook is implemented, but for gameplay purposes, spies have always been more maneuverable.  It makes sense for a lightly-equipped spy to be more maneuverable than a body-armor, heavy gun-wielding mercenary.  I took the grappling hook idea as being shot from a gun, not place like the DA mercs.

I'm also envisioning the grappling hook being batman style - ie it retracts quickly, so it'd be faster than climbing a pipe.

[Vega]

Aye, that was actually what I was thinking.  However, I'm still iffy about the whole idea.  I don't see it being necessarily needed if it's going to retract quickly and only designated for certain spots. 

[Westfall]

If its being shot, then should it only be shot from below? Doesn't the physics make sense for it to only be shot upward?

The balance would be spies can go up and mercs can go down, but neither can go vice versa.

[Farley4Fan]

what exactly do you want to reach by flaming me for no good reason?

Sound familiar?  Sounds just like you, Gawain.

[Vega]

If its being shot, then should it only be shot from below? Doesn't the physics make sense for it to only be shot upward?

The balance would be spies can go up and mercs can go down, but neither can go vice versa.

Huh?  Wasn't that the whole intention of the idea in the first place?  Yes, it shoots upwards from a gun.  The merc, on the other hand, is a different story.  I personally don't think a merc should have a grappling hook for descending.

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

...How about letting the hook grapple only in places that make sense?
I mean, you could grapple on the hook if it was stuck somewhere on a railing, a ladder or whatever, but it wouldn't make sense for it to be climbable if it's only grabbed on a ledge.
Think of it as an anchor.

[0ctin]

Ok Ok, say we scratch the Merc grappling hook idea, and just have a spy one. The grappling hook i invisioned wasn't the batman and Robin one which retracts quickly, but having thought about it thats probably a better idea.

I think it'd be fairly balanced if:
1 - It didnt retract to fast.
2 - It made a noise when being fired/attaching to something.
3 - Once grapple is secure it should take spy about a second to connect homself to it
4 - Spies should be able to draw SS on grapple hook
5 - Spies should be able to invert on grapple hook
6 - Spies should be able to control when the grappling hook contracts for how long for (ie they can retract /detract    it maybe with "W" & "S")
8 - Grapple should make a noise when retarcting/detracting
9 - Grapple should only be able to be used on railings, ledges
10 - Grapple could be shot and forgotten about (ie you can come back to it later). However this would stop you from using another rappel as you'd need to collect the last one.
11 - Mercs would not have a grapple hook.
12 - Spies should be able to detach themselves Mid-Grapple.

So which points do you not like? :D

[Gawain]

all points as there is no need at all for such a gadget.

[Kubanator]

all points as there is no need at all for such a gadget.

Gawain, please stop spouting what you want Project Stealth to be an realize that there is more than one opinion in the world. If someone else has an idea, please don't be an ass and shout "lololololol you idea r dumb, i r pro so i r write". Accept that there are other people with different ways of thinking. If you don't like his points, make a counter-point to each one.

[Gawain]

i don't have to counter every single aspect when noone even made one single valid argument why a grappling hook would improve the gameplay...

[Westfall]

i don't have to counter every single aspect when noone even made one single valid argument why a grappling hook would improve the gameplay...

Better than someone not making any points about how it wouldn't.

[Gawain]

oh, that's quite easy:
-spies have already way more vertical agility than mercs and need no further boost in this regard
-map designers can already put ropes, pipes etc into balanced places
-this is not spiderman, a ninja game or star wars...

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

a ninja game

That's what it is.

[BurningDeath]

oh, that's quite easy:
-spies have already way more vertical agility than mercs and need no further boost in this regard
-map designers can already put ropes, pipes etc into balanced places
-this is not spiderman, a ninja game or star wars...

What about freedom?
A hook would give the spies a certain vertical freedom and the chance to get to special places alone/quicker. The "no-boost" argument ist your personal opinion.

[Farley4Fan]

Balance?  Do you honestly think that this will unbalance the game?  I'm sure that a smart map designer wouldn't allow such a mistake to happen.  It would be quite easy to counter this.