i am an atheist

[Spark Mandriller]

If I can remember right from a few pages back, you said that you had a high IQ, so I thought you would be able to comprehend the semi-complex writing...But anyway...Yes, Cronky has the gist of the idea.  If one claims that man has happened out of basically nothing along with time and chance (which are impersonal things), how has man developed the qualities that make him man such as various personalities, feelings, and character traits that make him unique?  If it true that man has come from the impersonal, then personality is merely and illusion and therefore dead and meaningless.

wow

and i thought cronky's posts were terrible

i mean wow

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

If I can remember right from a few pages back, you said that you had a high IQ, so I thought you would be able to comprehend the semi-complex writing...But anyway...Yes, Cronky has the gist of the idea.  If one claims that man has happened out of basically nothing along with time and chance (which are impersonal things), how has man developed the qualities that make him man such as various personalities, feelings, and character traits that make him unique?  If it true that man has come from the impersonal, then personality is merely and illusion and therefore dead and meaningless.

wow

and i thought cronky's posts were terrible

i mean wow

Aggreed. Haven't seen so messed up wrinting in... 2-3 years?
Of course excluding this Soldium guy, but he didn't try to discuss anything  ::)

[Cronky]

Awww you guys. I know you all love me, but you don't need to state it so blatantly.

:-*

Now get back on topic, because your posts are supposed to contain something about the subject at hand. Not what makes me so great!

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

No we're in the offtopic section.
Now this thread is about ubersoldats.

[Cronky]

but but... I was having so much fun with that topic!

Just 10 more posts on topic... pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEEEEEASE!

Then I'll get back to my chores.

[frvge]

No we're in the offtopic section.
Now this thread is about ubersoldats.

Going off-topic in an off-topic thread is still not allowed. Nice try!

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

No we're in the offtopic section.
Now this thread is about ubersoldats.

Going off-topic in an off-topic thread is still not allowed. Nice try!

I'm not going off-topic. I'm staying on-topic while the topic changes.
See? Pretty easy.

[I <3 U]

lets talk about japanese fart porn!!!!!!!! oh how i love south park

[CurdyMilk]

Maybe part of the reason your posts don't make sense is that your sentences are grammatically incorrect and feature numerous errors? I already explained my thoughts on the topic regardless of your ability of typing.

Sorry, but I can't really understand what this means because it has some grammatical errors.  "Ability of typing" is one of the parts I just can't figure out.  Does it mean the typing has ability or is it my ability to type?  Maybe if I could comprehend this then I would be able to respond.

[Spark Mandriller]

Going off-topic in an off-topic thread is still not allowed. Nice try!

But what if the thread is the shittiest thread ever and is only gonna get worse if someone doesn't stop it?


I mean it's basically our moral duty to stop this shit right?

[Westfall]

Wait wait...so illusion means dead.............we're all dead then. Everything around you is dead...your personality is dead...ouch, that's a mean way to put it.

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

Wait wait...so illusion means dead.............we're all dead then. Everything around you is dead...your personality is dead...ouch, that's a mean way to put it.

Why? The fact doesn't change anything, life goes on you know? ::)

[Westfall]

Wait wait...so illusion means dead.............we're all dead then. Everything around you is dead...your personality is dead...ouch, that's a mean way to put it.

Why? The fact doesn't change anything, life goes on you know? ::)

how can life go on if you're dead?

[Farley4Fan]

They would take extremely valuable items and stones and use them in burials. Imagine better uses for items like this, and imagine what it would equate to if this happened today. The reason I used this example is because I can tell you stories of death and destruction, but that is all too common in arguments like this. An example of a common practice that isn't talked about much felt appropriate

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Sure it's "appropriate" in this sense, but who cares?  It's not like if they didn't bury their valuable items then Hitler wouldn't have existed and you would be ruler of the world.  I guess what I'm wondering is who exactly this is hurting?

Just because you said you are generalizing doesn't make it okay. I have generalized, and it may not be right.

If I knew that I was generalizing then obviously I knew that it doesn't apply to everything and everyone.  Chill.  You have generalized, but I forgive you.  And I will not call you out on this especially knowing that I have done it as well.  Der.

You don't have faith in something that is undeniably true and has been proven multiple times to be true. Gravity is true. IT HAPPENS. No faith involved. I don't have faith in science because science is a proven fact of life. I can prove gravity exists in anything I do. I don't float up. Proven. I can prove that electricity powers my computer because it has been proven true over multiple tests and conclusions. You can not prove there is a god (any god for that matter) because there is simply no evidence. No one has ever proved something doesn't exist because that isn't how it works. Let's take for example extraterrestrial life:

I'm not arguing that scientific theories are false.  Well, other than the Big Bang theory, but in my opinion that's less of a scientific theory and more of a guess.  There's little to back that up and supposedly it's currently being replaced with a universal expansion theory, which is still just a guess.  Even if they do hold water, I still doubt that they just happened.  If it's so hard for you to believe that there was always a God, why is it so easy for you to believe these theories which state that there always was matter??

I believe that there are other forms of life in this universe that we haven't discovered. You can make points that life needs water and sunlight, and most planets don't offer that. I will say that these forms of life may NOT need that. I completely believe that there is life somewhere. What I will not do, however, is ask someone to prove that there isn't something out there. You simply can't do it. There are infinite ways to prove something is wrong, and to completely prove it, you must name all infinite numbers of them. I can come up with a way that your reasoning is wrong in every example you give me. BUT, until someone finds life or can prove UNDENIABLY that something is out there, it is not true and is purely hypothesis. Therefor, I am wrong until proven right, not the other way around.

I think there probably is life out there as well.  It does not mean I am wrong, it does not mean I am right, it means I believe what I believe based on my feelings, thoughts, and logic.  Coincedentally, some of the greatest scientific discoveries are made based on a hunch and a personal belief despite a lack of "evidence".

On a side note, you're probably thinking "flying spaghetti monster" right about now and I've seen that joke thrown around here a few times.  People want to take their cues from South Park but it's funny that if you watch the next episode it talks about the possibility of God being real. 

Back to what you said, in particular "Ignorant?  Religion can help rescue drug/alcohol addicts, give heaps to charity, charity organizations are typically founded by religious people, inspire hope, promote morality, etc...  " All of those things can be accomplished through other means. Drug/Alcohol addicts = counseling, multiple programs, monitors for such things, etc... None of those involve religion.

They can be accomplished but probably at a lower rate.  Some of those that can't just be swayed by just counseling can be inspired by religion.  Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, and even Islam can inspire people to reclaim their life when presented with the idea of a higher power.

Your charity statement really bugs me, since I donated to Haiti and multiple other organizations. You are semi right though: when people give money at church, which they normally do, it can go to a good cause. The reason people donate at church and no where else is because they have been trained to donate at church. I don't go to church, or donate at church, but I can guarantee you that my family has donated more to charity than you are worth. We aren't religious. Church is a means of donation, and it definitely helps. My point is that you don't have to be religious to donate.

I don't go to church or donate to church either.  And who do you think these charities are mostly run by?  I get your point though.

Inspiring hope and promoting morality...you are 100% right. Hope for an afterlife makes people happy I assume. I don't have it and don't need it though. Morality is accomplished by religion in a sinister way though: Be good or burn in a fire for all eternity. I prefer my way: make the right choices and be rewarded by feeling good and reaping other benefits. Religion is needed in that sense either, although it does help people.

You said I was at least semi-right about all the things I listed.  Religion is complementary to these things.  Of course.  I wasn't saying they were benefits only from religion.  I said that religion can help boost these means of helping people.  A lot of people need this boost.

Basic human logic says not to kill people?  You can't be serious.  I won't even argue with this secondary point because it goes with the stupid bold statement.

Argue it. I don't kill people, therefor I just proved it true. I may not do it because of laws, sure. But I would still not do it. I don't even believe capital punishment is right. Law != Religion. A lot of times species work together and don't attack each other. They don't have religion.

You just talked about how hard it is to prove something.  Then you cite yourself and declare it the truth.  How did we even start talking about this?  It just seems irrelevant.

I don't understand what you don't get? Most scientists are atheist, purely because of the field they are in. They do a variety of things; make life saving medicines, make huge leaps and bounds in the technological world, make the food you ate for breakfast safe, etc... Most of them are atheists. Not saying they can't be religious but a good percentage are atheists. I know you will go find a poll somewhere, because I sure found one that said more believe in god. Then I found another 10 polls that said the opposite. I am sure you can agree with me though, in the sense that MOST SCIENTISTS ARE ATHEIST.

Sure, most are atheist, but some are not.  This goes back to what I said not too long ago.  Sometimes the so called "evidence" isn't enough to form your opinions on the origin of the universe.  I think that they were atheists before becoming scientists, rather than becoming atheist after becoming scientist.  It seems obvious that they would be more interested in the field of science.  That's the way the world is though.  I'm certainly interested in science as you know, but a lot of religious people aren't to the extent of atheists.  And that's too bad because science certainly hasn't shaken my belief in a God and in some cases supported it.

It is hard when your bible CLEARLY states how life started, in what order, who created it, who was first alive, and so on. It doesn't even get its story straight, so how could anyone follow it? Different stories of the same thing? No, you don't screw up major details (what came first, how Eve was made) and say it is the same story. I am glad you believe in evolution, because it is a scientific theory/fact (theory = To scientists, a theory provides a coherent explanation that holds true for a large number of facts and observations about the natural world. Theory = Fact). Faith can not be explained, mainly because there is not a single piece of evidence supporting it.

There clearly were not these kinds of mistakes in the first iteration of the Bible.  Whoever made the stories, God or not, was no slouch when it came to writing stories and getting them straight.  The Adam and Eve flaw which is brought up so many times is just a simple translation error.  Can it be more obvious?  You can observe evolution and you would be a fool not to realize that it happens even if you did not believe that it was the origin of ALL species.  Would you consider the possibility of God using evolution as a tool to create these species?  What I believe is that the God initiated the "Big bang" or the "Big expansion" or whatever you want to call it.  The first universal matter didn't come from nowhere.  Essentially he had created man by initiating the events that would lead to man's existence.  He didn't individually plop each animal on the Earth and in the Bible man's creation is just symbolic. 

Christians are supposed to base their life and everything they do on the bible. How can you do that when you even admit it is wrong? The messages are great, but the messages in ancient Greek mythology could be deemed better. Should I go and believe in Zeus and Poseidon?

Not every single little word.  People have such a problem understanding this.  Why?  Live your life based on the messages that you just mentioned.   I don't understand why you would have to live your life based on the meaningless details.  What do you mean exactly?

That is the best thing about religion. It does. But that is only because kids are brought up from birth like that. I know that kids who aren't raised religiously aren't terrible kids, they still have morals.

Like I said, it just complements what is already there.  It helps to solidify.  You are doing a better job promoting religion than I am. 

Agreement. Besides the fact that people DO take them literally (6000 year old Earth).

Yes, like you for example.  I don't know what's worse.  People that believe it down the last letter or the people that criticize it down to the last letter.  You know, the letters form something that is more important than the background details.

Yes. This is also mentioned in many other religions. It could have just been a flood. The Midwest is having a pretty big flood right now. No biblical proportions, but a nice one. You realize that because people wrote about a flood in a book, added a savior character, and printed this book doesn't mean there is a god? I am sure there are many stories that are semi true (floods, artifacts, statues, etc..) but that doesn't mean they are from God, they could have been made by the very people who wrote about them.

You realize that because people wrote about a flood in a book, added a savior character, and printed this book doesn't mean that the flood and character weren't real?  This is my problem.  The Bible has gone through countless iterations and translations.  There are bound to be a few mistakes.  The messages remain in tact and people like you are worried about how big the flood was.  I'm saying the so called errors in the stories do not mean that whoever made these stories was a liar or did not exist.  The Bible doesn't prove or disprove God's existence, it merely conveys his messages.

By the way, it's really late, I'm really tired, and this was a really long post.  Forgive the typos or incomplete sentences that may be in here.  I pasted this into a word document and it was something like 4-5 pages.   :o

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

Wait wait...so illusion means dead.............we're all dead then. Everything around you is dead...your personality is dead...ouch, that's a mean way to put it.

Why? The fact doesn't change anything, life goes on you know? ::)

how can life go on if you're dead?

If everything is dead then there is no life or death, therefore the terms are interchangeable because neither of them apply.
That's how.