i was looking at the image gallery and i saw this one pic of a spy sneaking by a merc
that map to me was a version of the warehouse. Are the level designers making one like warehouse ?
That was a render, not a screenshot. It was a render of a spy and a merc that were placed on a background, making it look like the spy was sneaking up on him. Right now they are making their own "version" of Club House - which is the Lakehouse you can see in the presentation forum. Who knows if they are planning to make their own version of warehouse? They do, and them only. It's possible, but the warehouse map would need A LOT of changes - I think we can mostly all agree on that.
It has already been said that we'd do only 1 map based on the ones from CT/PT and it's Lakehouse (I think zed said it a while ago..).
There will be only one map based on anything from CT/PT and that's Lakehouse, which is based off of Clubhouse. The map in that render is in fact a very old version of Lakehouse.
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*cough cough change it to mia cough cough*
*cough if I wasn't clear, change signature to mia cough*
*cough mia cough*
There's a lot of pollen in the air, my bad.
Quote from: Vega on May 07, 2008, 08:04:55 AM
*Cough mia kirshner is hotter cough*
*cough cough change it to mia cough cough*
*cough if I wasn't clear, change signature to mia cough*
*cough mia cough*
There's a lot of pollen in the air, my bad.
I would go and see a doctor if I were you, that's a nasty cough...
Quote from: Vega on May 07, 2008, 08:04:55 AM
*Cough mia kirshner is hotter cough*
*cough cough change it to mia cough cough*
*cough if I wasn't clear, change signature to mia cough*
*cough mia cough*
There's a lot of pollen in the air, my bad.
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Precisely why I mentioned her, noobblade:
QuoteAsia Argento and Mia Kirshner are my dark haired goddesses. Yeah I said it.
But yeah, about Warehouse....Warehouse is great! I'm gonna port my own version over in the future! Can't wait!
Once I get UT3 I wanna have a shot at doing a proper map, the only one I've made at the moment was when I was getting used to it and I think re-doing warehouse but only transferring the themes of course and not the actual rooms or layout would be lush. I would probably do it with slaughterhouse/warehouse as those are quite similar in the big room/office kinda way.
The best maps i think were Cinema warehouse and detch below
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 10, 2008, 04:07:37 AM
The best maps i think were Cinema warehouse and detch below
The sad part is that some people actually believe this. DM FTL.
Quote from: Vega on May 10, 2008, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 10, 2008, 04:07:37 AM
The best maps i think were Cinema warehouse and detch below
The sad part is that some people actually believe this. DM FTL.
QFE
Quote from: Vega on May 10, 2008, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 10, 2008, 04:07:37 AM
The best maps i think were Cinema warehouse and detch below
The sad part is that some people actually believe this. DM FTL.
I agree Deathmatch is for the lose but Cinema , Deftech were great maps same with hospital and schermanhorn and Deftech Belew , MAYbe warehouse =/.
The only great thing about Deftech and Warehouse is the First Section of the level.
Other than that... argh*
there is exactly nothing great about those maps at all...
Quote from: Rambo on May 10, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
there is exactly nothing great about those maps at all...
Then I expect an awesome map from you.
Quote from: Hyrage on May 10, 2008, 09:18:46 PM
Quote from: Rambo on May 10, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
there is exactly nothing great about those maps at all...
Then I expect an awesome map from you.
If you liked warehouse and deftech, then you probably won't like Rambo's map. ;)
I great map is a great map, Deftech and Warehouse only had a great first section. There are 2 more left...
neither had a good anything...
well, the lightning was pretty nice in warehouse first sector, but that's it.
Both warehouse and Deftech were completely crap, period.
Quote from: Hyrage on May 12, 2008, 03:53:13 AM
I great map is a great map, Deftech and Warehouse only had a great first section. There are 2 more left...
It scares me that you would say this. Warehouse had a horrible unbalanced first section that consisted of bottlenecks and areas for mercs to camp every possible entrance. Warehouse is one of the worst maps ever made, thanks to it's first section.
however I kinda like Deftech, so I somewhat agree there. I don't think it was great, but it wasn't bad.
Quote from: Zedblade on May 12, 2008, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hyrage on May 12, 2008, 03:53:13 AM
I great map is a great map, Deftech and Warehouse only had a great first section. There are 2 more left...
It scares me that you would say this. Warehouse had a horrible unbalanced first section that consisted of bottlenecks and areas for mercs to camp every possible entrance. Warehouse is one of the worst maps ever made, thanks to it's first section.
however I kinda like Deftech, so I somewhat agree there. I don't think it was great, but it wasn't bad.
The only thing deftech was missing was 1 more objective....2/3 made it kind of rough.
Quote from: Westfall on May 13, 2008, 07:39:17 AM
Quote from: Zedblade on May 12, 2008, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hyrage on May 12, 2008, 03:53:13 AM
I great map is a great map, Deftech and Warehouse only had a great first section. There are 2 more left...
It scares me that you would say this. Warehouse had a horrible unbalanced first section that consisted of bottlenecks and areas for mercs to camp every possible entrance. Warehouse is one of the worst maps ever made, thanks to it's first section.
however I kinda like Deftech, so I somewhat agree there. I don't think it was great, but it wasn't bad.
The only thing deftech was missing was 1 more objective....2/3 made it kind of rough.
Technically it is 3/3 scince you got a disk a bomb and a computer =/.
he wasn't talking about different types of objectives...
Quote from: Rambo on May 14, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
he wasn't talking about different types of objectives...
No shit sherlock.
I'm saying you had to get 2 of 3 objectives....where when you got one, it was limited to a merc per building...
just don't make one finished laptop shut down the other laptop, remove some/change passive security, add some coop spots, block some uba sniping spots, and together with all the other general balance changes you have an almost balanced map.
Are you talking about the pic that Rambo has as his avatar? If anything, it looks like clubhouse, not warehouse :-\
Yeah, Rambos ava is the lakehouse render from a few months ago.
I liked Deftech, it would be good if there was less security
Quote from: neth on June 02, 2008, 07:39:19 PM
I liked Deftech, it would be good if there was less security
It's possible... if the right route is taken, to bypass all security in every building without getting detected and reach the objective.
Quote from: Zedblade on June 02, 2008, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: neth on June 02, 2008, 07:39:19 PM
I liked Deftech, it would be good if there was less security
It's possible... if the right route is taken, to bypass all security in every building without getting detected and reach the objective.
I can't recall the placement of all cameras and motion sensors but I remember that It was impossible without shooting the sensor - in B. In A you can bypass cameras at 1st floor but you have to shoot the sensor near the entrance, then when you jump down from the ceiling you need to shoot the sensor again. In C it's possible to reach the objective completely unnoticed but it's very hard not to be spotted by merc.
Anyway I like this map cause you need to be really careful with sneaking. It's not just a "run map".
Quote from: neth on June 02, 2008, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Zedblade on June 02, 2008, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: neth on June 02, 2008, 07:39:19 PM
I liked Deftech, it would be good if there was less security
It's possible... if the right route is taken, to bypass all security in every building without getting detected and reach the objective.
I can't recall the placement of all cameras and motion sensors but I remember that It was impossible without shooting the sensor - in B. In A you can bypass cameras at 1st floor but you have to shoot the sensor near the entrance, then when you jump down from the ceiling you need to shoot the sensor again. In C it's possible to reach the objective completely unnoticed but it's very hard not to be spotted by merc.
Anyway I like this map cause you need to be really careful with sneaking. It's not just a "run map".
I haven't played in ages, so I don't remember exactly, but this is what i do remember.
B:
Enter using the very top entrance (accessible only by zip line.) Time the jump down to bypass the first camera and stick to the wall underneath it. Time the run to the pipes on the wall. Then you can get to the pipe leading up the ceiling of the 2nd floor. Here I don't remember if it was impossible to get by, but it didn't matter since you were already close to an disk objective, or if you went slow, could bypass the Motion detectors.
In A, you entered through the bathroom on the first floor. Made your way through the first floor offices (in which you had to time each jump over a desk or cubicle wall perfectly to get by.) Then go up the pipe near the camera and make your way up. There I'm pretty sure there was an area you could drop down and get into the rooms with the Objectives without setting anything off.
And yeah, In C you have to go through the bottom and use the missiles hanging from the ceiling.
I don't know, maybe i'm mistaken, but now I'm curious to find out for my self. I might try to do it and record it for shits and giggles.
QuoteTime the jump down to bypass the first camera and stick to the wall underneath it. Time the run to the pipes on the wall
There's a sensor
QuoteIn A, you entered through the bathroom on the first floor. Made your way through the first floor offices
Before you get to offices, theres a sensor near the entrance.
Also in C theres a problem when you try to enter from the underground. You can place poison so as soon as the spy comes out, he's screwed, it is unchaffable as I remember.
being an active player , your right on the money neth :)
My question was if a map like that would be on there and if so any major changes?
Clubhouse is the only CT map being remade, even then there are major differences. Making another clone of a CT map which isn't drastically different will be the final bitch-slap ubisoft needs before they get angry. ;)
Quote from: neth on June 02, 2008, 11:22:09 PM
QuoteTime the jump down to bypass the first camera and stick to the wall underneath it. Time the run to the pipes on the wall
There's a sensor
QuoteIn A, you entered through the bathroom on the first floor. Made your way through the first floor offices
Before you get to offices, theres a sensor near the entrance.
Also in C theres a problem when you try to enter from the underground. You can place poison so as soon as the spy comes out, he's screwed, it is unchaffable as I remember.
B:
So? you don't go anywhere near it. I just checked. You jump down btween the boxes and wall and next to the opening to the first floor door entrenct. Then you time your dive over to the wall with the pipes. Then stick to the wall and go under the camera. Then you make your way up using the pipe. Here you can shoot out the MD and grab the disk before the Mercs know what happen.
As for A, i was Mistaken, you don't go through the first floor, you take the bathroom entrance usihng the 2nd floor opening and then sneak under the camera. Then you just shoot otu one MD and hack.
So A and B require only one MD you have to take out and C requires 0. I was half right.
I would have swore there was a way to do it going through offices. I remember dong something like that. Oh well.
Quote from: AgentX_003 on June 03, 2008, 04:33:11 AM
being an active player , your right on the money neth :)
no he's not :P
I can't see the map exactly in my mind now but I will check it and then answer what you said here.
QuoteI was half right.
If you were half right it means I was half right as well.
I'm not really active, haven't played for about 2 months, I think. When I play its usually about 6 hours and then I leave my home, so I dont have a chance to stay in touch with the game.
Quote from: neth on June 03, 2008, 06:59:33 PM
I can't see the map exactly in my mind now but I will check it and then answer what you said here.
QuoteI was half right.
If you were half right it means I was half right as well.
I'm not really active, haven't played for about 2 months, I think. When I play its usually about 6 hours and then I leave my home, so I dont have a chance to stay in touch with the game.
Playing to see who was right just not was the first time I started CT in about 2/3 months for me as well.
But no, I'm half right, you're half wrong :P
haha, lmao, I may put that quote in my sig :D
the only way to get into C without security is through the front door.
When merc goes in or out, the door is open for a considerably long time, and from there it is pretty easy to bypass the security. You could get away with this using camo probably.
Problem with Deftech security of course is that skilled Mercs know all of this and watch these areas specifically.
I hope there will be maps in PS in which you will be able to play in offices, bypass cameras etc. like in Deftech.
Quote from: neth on June 05, 2008, 12:19:27 PM
I hope there will be maps in PS in which you will be able to play in offices, bypass cameras etc. like in Deftech.
qfe
but with more balanced mds plz.
I agree. Deftech had a good theme.
I just checked the Deftech.
Its true you can avoid being spotted in A till you reach the MD at the 2nd floor. It doesn't change much cause mercs mainly patrol that floor and if you shoot down the MD downstairs they still wont know if it happened there or somewhere else.
In B I tried to avoid cameras and MD but I can't get to pipe leading to the 2nd floor without shooting one MD, couldnt bypass cameras when I chose your way.
Quote from: neth on June 05, 2008, 07:59:13 PM
In B I tried to avoid cameras and MD but I can't get to pipe leading to the 2nd floor without shooting one MD, couldnt bypass cameras when I chose your way.
Try harder?
Quote from: Zedblade on June 05, 2008, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: neth on June 05, 2008, 07:59:13 PM
In B I tried to avoid cameras and MD but I can't get to pipe leading to the 2nd floor without shooting one MD, couldnt bypass cameras when I chose your way.
Try harder?
It's just not doable.
i have done it....but its difficult and under normal gaming conditions....VERY hard to get to the zipline without being noticed.
If you ever do somthing like the climbable crane in that level (deftech or steel squat, havent played for aaagees) where the mercs could hop along crates to climb it, make sure you add a grab from ladder for the spies. </random interjection> :P
Getting to the zipline and climbing up isn't hard, because it's usually overlooked, the ziplining itself is. Camo helps.
Quote from: neth on June 06, 2008, 12:24:25 PM
Quote from: Zedblade on June 05, 2008, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: neth on June 05, 2008, 07:59:13 PM
In B I tried to avoid cameras and MD but I can't get to pipe leading to the 2nd floor without shooting one MD, couldnt bypass cameras when I chose your way.
Try harder?
It's just not doable.
Just becuase you can't do it, doesn't make it not possible.
I tried it, it cant be done. If you say you can, prove it.
Quote from: neth on June 06, 2008, 08:39:40 PM
I tried it, it cant be done. If you say you can, prove it.
The best way to prove it, is for you to do it yourself. You're doing something wrong obviously, you shouldn't even come close to a MD.
So... step by step instructions.
1. Take the Zip Line from the giant tower in the middle of the level to the top entrance of building B.
2. Jump down between the box and wall.
3. Make your way along the wall to the other side of the room (with pipes above you.) and stay close to the wall.
4. Stay close to the wall and time you sprint past the 2nd Camera that is on the wall you're currenlty up against. Then you can easily do a backflip from the metal gate that closes when you set something off onto the little platform with the opening to the pipe leading up.
I did it, you were right for the first time. It still doesn't change the fact that using this zipline is too dangerous. At least at the beginning of the game.
you can go halfway acrossed while still in camo
You can't camo while zipping, only when climbing the pipes.
My suggestion is to stay in camo, then wait until the mercs aren't looking directly towards the zipline direction, then go fast down the zip. Hopefully they don't see you do that. But it really is pretty dangerous especially for the fact that camo isn't that effective.
the only way to do it against decent mercs is having your teammate shock and spam them with the right timing.
Quote from: Rambo on June 06, 2008, 11:58:36 PM
the only way to do it against decent mercs is having your teammate shock and spam them with the right timing.
no. Saying that is the ONLY way to do it is stupid. I've done in plenty of time against good members. you just have to time it.
well than you didn't play against mt whores and gamma haxors as some1 is always out at a sniping spot (especially with only one spy max. in a building).
Just throwing this in, but, it's very possible on xbox. ;D Probably doesn't even matter a shit but oh well.
Deftech pretty much sucks, because it's basically impossible to do it with stealth, mainly because of all the damn static defenses. I mean with camnet alone you can basically tell which building they're in based on what static defenses they've shot out. You hear "security failure" and you can basically instantly eliminate building C with a camnet pass. So that means if you've got a merc waiting in building A and B, the spy really doesn't have anywhere to go. He either gets you with a sticky, or he loses.
Seriously, all the cameras and motion sensors in that map need to be removed and the "Door A has been hacked open" message needs to go. You should just get default hacking message and that's it.
That would definetly help but that's not all that needs to be done.