If ubi remakes conviction into l/s stealth + crowd stealth and multiplayer into normal SvM like it was in pt/ct ?
Well good for them, but we will try to continue to support our version since it's being made by people who actually play the game.
Also don't forget that ubi's track record shows that they make games, and drop support in under a year.
But if sc:c gonna have the same SvM as old Ct/pt would it be a good thing to fix it to some extent like you did it in pt/ct mr.mic ?
i had thought of this too a while back.
ubi isnt saying any info about SC:C i have a feeling that they are redoing the game ahahah.
still, PS is free, its like a patched/better looking version of CT.
and SC:C is gonna suck even if they turn it into a wanna-be PS, cause itll be 50 dolllars and because ubi is ghey!
UBI is not reverting back to SvM. The crowd BS is everything to them. I'm pretty sure it was so buggy that they delayed it to make the necessary fixes. We all saw the trailers... it played like absolute shit.
it was the best crouching and furniture moving simulation i ever saw :D
Well nobody knows if svm will be or not be in convictions so we can't say for sure...... Single player and Multiplayer are usually different from each other. So they might make svm + convictions story.
Quote from: Westfall on February 22, 2009, 05:37:36 PM
UBI is not reverting back to SvM. The crowd BS is everything to them. I'm pretty sure it was so buggy that they delayed it to make the necessary fixes. We all saw the trailers... it played like absolute shit.
ahaha i know! i saw the trailer and i was like wtf!?
its not even stealth, its like walking with a hoodie in a crowded mall just looking at the floor, that not even fuckin stealth lol
and then you could kill people with 1 punch and with non lethal objects lol
really fuckin lame game...
Quote from: Roberto1223 on February 22, 2009, 08:46:22 AM
i had thought of this too a while back.
ubi isnt saying any info about SC:C i have a feeling that they are redoing the game ahahah.
still, PS is free, its like a patched/better looking version of CT.
and SC:C is gonna suck even if they turn it into a wanna-be PS, cause itll be 50 dolllars and because ubi is ghey!
How can they turn it into a wanna-be PS if PS is already based on splinter cell in the first place?
If Ubi, or anyone else, decides to make a good SvM game that has the right components from SCPT and SCCT, then PS would have accomplished its goal.
We intend to make that SvM game and I'm pretty sure it will go retail some day, even if we don't win MSUC.
Quote from: LennardF1989 on March 01, 2009, 07:40:28 PM
I'm pretty sure it will go retail some day
Damn, you're aiming high...
Hence why I said "some day".
"some day" can be between now and 10 years :P
We can dream, yup.
Quote from: frvge on March 02, 2009, 09:22:55 AM
We can dream, yup.
If i am not mistaking. Counter strike was only an 'mod' made by normal people(not by a company) it only went retail like 0.5 after its release.(i think siera bought the rights for it.) So its not completely impossible.
Will you sell Ps to ubi ??? If that will let the game go retail ?
Selling to Ubi? Heck no. Not if it is up to me.
Quote from: frvge on March 02, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
Selling to Ubi? Heck no. Not if it is up to me.
Will Electronic arts do better ?
They have more money to spend... but IMO still no.
We're not really for sale. They can try tho ;)
if someone offers to buy you out, you should take it, even if it is ubi, if the game is published you guys would be mega rich, right?
It's not about the money (I hope), but about making a quality SvM game.
It's easy to say 'no' now. Fuck, if ubi said "here's a thousand dollars for your stuff", I'd accept without thinking twice.
You realize that the earning potential a project like this can net you by being on your resume is far beyond the $1k Ubi would give you, right?
Do you realize that putting on your resume that this was BOUGHT by UBI would look even better compared to the "We made a mod for the UT3 Engine" approach?
omfg, why would ubi buy this, they fucking came up with the SvM idea lool !!!!
Quote from: Roberto1223 on March 03, 2009, 04:57:49 AM
omfg, why would ubi buy this, they fucking came up with the SvM idea lool !!!!
That's the only reason they would need.
Quote from: FR33M4N on March 02, 2009, 11:56:18 PM
if someone offers to buy you out, you should take it, even if it is ubi, if the game is published you guys would be mega rich, right?
No, if they buy us out, they have all the rights. If it's in the contract that we get a small percentage, then maybe... but who buys Ubisoft products anyway? Especially in a very niche genre.
It's way cooler to say: "We started with a mod on UT3, and then it became a standalone retail version, without the help of big guys like Ubisoft or Activision".
IMO...
Yes i understand that Ps main objective is to make a good quality SvM game but ubi won't offer you a proposal to buy you guys if the mod is crap. They will make you an offer only if you make a good quality game anyways. So i don't really see a problem in selling your game to ubi. You will make some money or a lot of money but you will also make the game more popular and i don't see how that is wrong. At the moment your ubi hate is getting in the way guys , ubi isn't that of a bad company , it has a lot of good franchises , its just that its support sucks . But you would already have a good and polished game.........
So whats wrong ? The point of any commercial company is to make money and that is what they are doing......... I see how many wouldn't like that but if you would be a head of a company what would be more important to you ? 'Some' fans or the company ?
Quote from: Snakebit. on March 03, 2009, 09:09:45 AM
Yes i understand that Ps main objective is to make a good quality SvM game but ubi won't offer you a proposal to buy you guys if the mod is crap. They will make you an offer only if you make a good quality game anyways. So i don't really see a problem in selling your game to ubi. You will make some money or a lot of money but you will also make the game more popular and i don't see how that is wrong. At the moment your ubi hate is getting in the way guys , ubi isn't that of a bad company , it has a lot of good franchises , its just that its support sucks . But you would already have a good and polished game.........
So whats wrong ? The point of any commercial company is to make money and that is what they are doing......... I see how many wouldn't like that but if you would be a head of a company what would be more important to you ? 'Some' fans or the company ?
the problem is they would just turn it into a shitty console port and then reap all the benefits of turning it into a watered down game.
Quote from: Spekkio on March 03, 2009, 02:13:59 AM
You realize that the earning potential a project like this can net you by being on your resume is far beyond the $1k Ubi would give you, right?
It depends. As Westfall said, "Worked on a mod which was later bought by a professional game developer" sounds much better than "Worked on a mod which had a player base of 40 people", atleast to me.
Besides, I haven't thought the 1k idea through. My post was merely to illustrate how money would change it all. Also, since I'm doing Civil Engineering at university, this mod no longer has a purpose on my resume as it had before (or atleast its importance has shrunk quite a bit).
But let's not forget that I'm an exception, and that most of the dev team either works or wants to work in this industry in the future (and I'd include myself in that group until not long ago).
Quote from: Westfall on March 03, 2009, 03:12:47 AM
Do you realize that putting on your resume that this was BOUGHT by UBI would look even better compared to the "We made a mod for the UT3 Engine" approach?
QFE.
Let me just say this...
The mod will never go retail on its own. If it does, Gui will have to give me head or something. But it won't happen.
If it gets bought out, good for you. But I really doubt it. Why? It is not because I think you are not capable, I think it is because it will be too small of an audience, too hard of a learning curve, and not profitable. Look at UBI. They tried it and it didn't work. Max of like 200 on at a time? Compared to counter-strike, you are like an ant.
Quote from: Ion.67 on March 03, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
Let me just say this...
The mod will never go retail on its own. If it does, Gui will have to give me head or something. But it won't happen.
If it gets bought out, good for you. But I really doubt it. Why? It is not because I think you are not capable, I think it is because it will be too small of an audience, too hard of a learning curve, and not profitable. Look at UBI. They tried it and it didn't work. Max of like 200 on at a time? Compared to counter-strike, you are like an ant.
BUT your comparing it to a company that leaves thier products half ass AND project stealth has a bigger fan base then ever ..due to the attention to detail / reworked netcode.
How big is the fanbase? Like 50 at most?
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It depends. As Westfall said, "Worked on a mod which was later bought by a professional game developer" sounds much better than "Worked on a mod which had a player base of 40 people", atleast to me.
Depends on when they buy it. Saying that you produced a real, finished product is better than saying you partially completed something until someone else bought it.
Also, wouldn't it be difficult to prove you worked on the project once Ubi changes all the files?
Quote from: Spekkio on March 04, 2009, 12:27:09 AM
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It depends. As Westfall said, "Worked on a mod which was later bought by a professional game developer" sounds much better than "Worked on a mod which had a player base of 40 people", atleast to me.
Depends on when they buy it. Saying that you produced a real, finished product is better than saying you partially completed something until someone else bought it.
Also, wouldn't it be difficult to prove you worked on the project once Ubi changes all the files?
Just because they bought it from you does not mean you give them all of the rights. Well, if you were smart you wouldn't give them all of the rights. Saying that you produced a product that you are still connected to and was bought out would be the ultimate winner over "finishing a mod" or "sold my shit to UBI."
All comes down to copyright, and how much you are willing to give away. Especially if you can try to gain royalties from what they've produce/sell.
Quote from: Spekkio on March 04, 2009, 12:27:09 AM
Depends on when they buy it. Saying that you produced a real, finished product is better than saying you partially completed something until someone else bought it.
Yes but the partially completed part was good enough for a major game developer to buy. Isn't that like a gold pot? I mean, if people were able to do that in their free time, imagine what they'd do if they were working on it as their daily job.
Quote from: Spekkio on March 04, 2009, 12:27:09 AM
Also, wouldn't it be difficult to prove you worked on the project once Ubi changes all the files?
Right now whenever you do a prop/textures, you add your initials and what version it is (a, b, c, d..) after the props name (something like example_gmA/example_d_gmA (diffuse)/example_n_gmA (normal)/example_s_gmA (specular)). That only works now. IF project stealth were to be bought, I have no idea how we'd manage to prove what is ours and what isn't, unless, we got to keep the copyright of our stuff or everything we did was named on the contract, I suppose.
what will PS do if it wins the grand prize of the 'make something unreal' contest
then on top of that ubi comes in all pisst at the UT doods saying that they want to produce and sell the game
so u get the grand prize money then ubi buys u out
and ur millionares and ps becomes the most popular game in the world (available in all consoles and operating systems)
and u guys are receiving a million emails per day of fans saying how their mind is blown away by this awesome game
and hot girls ask you to please fuck their holes because they love the game so much
what would ps do? :P
i think that u guys should build like a playboy mansion and invite us all (the original PS community) for some partying.
We can party like Obama in the White House.
What recession?
Oh and is it possible to arrange distribution via Steam for free or like 1 Usd or Euro. You could be the support team for the project.... And update it from time to time since they already distribute Ut.
Why would they do that ? Well you could offer your project to them for free to get more fanbase for project stealh assuming it will be well made . And they would get more free merchandise for steam users. It is a win-win situation for both of the sides. Althought someone would have to talk with 'steam corp first'.
Assuming the project will be well done... Well to some extent.In a way this is like team fortress 2 for Half life. At start it was some stupid mod and now its big. This can happen to Ps probably. Guess who made it all happen ? THATS RIGHT STEAM!
P.s. Then you will definately will need a learning curve for begginers. Something that would explain the basics.