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Title: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Spekkio on March 09, 2010, 02:30:46 AM
Make up a fake war movie and advertise it as authentic...movie critics will never know the difference, and the few percentage of people who will don't count anyway.

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/essay-15/

PS: I know every movie takes creative license even when based on true events. Black Hawk Down is one such movie, which was also screened by the people who were there and has a certain level of authenticity to it...at least by Hollywood standards. However, the Hurt Locker was lauded for being realistic, but has very few realistic elements in it. And I'm not talking about minor stuff like painting a humvee the wrong way.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Westfall on March 09, 2010, 05:56:09 AM
It's crazy that some guy is trying to sue the makers of that movie because he claims he is being portrayed in the film. The screen-writer says it is a complete work of fiction. Hilarious.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 09, 2010, 07:31:49 AM
The guys in Iraq have had countless things happen to them.  Maybe this guy just happened to have a similar thing happen to him.  lol

I enjoyed the Hurt Locker but didn't think it was better than D-9  :(

By the way Avatar was horrible unless your eyes can have orgasms if they see enough amazing CG.  Imagine what it would have been like if the special effects were shitty.  It would have been shitty.  Shouldn't have even been nominated but it just made so damn much money.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Cronky on March 09, 2010, 11:05:31 AM
The thing I don't like about Avatar and District 9 is...

That they aren't new stories.

Avatar = Indians

District 9 = Any Ghetto (REAL Ghetto, not our usage of it)

They change the people to Aliens, and slap on some CG. Put a UFO or a Big Tree of Souls and we are supposed to be distracted too much to notice the similarities.

Good Job James Cameron. You showed us what it would be like if the Indians would have kicked our ass.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: MR.Mic on March 09, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: Cronky on March 09, 2010, 11:05:31 AM
District 9 = Any Ghetto (REAL Ghetto, not our usage of it)

District 9 = apartheid with aliens
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Cronky on March 09, 2010, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: MR.Mic on March 09, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: Cronky on March 09, 2010, 11:05:31 AM
District 9 = Any Ghetto (REAL Ghetto, not our usage of it)

District 9 = apartheid with aliens

THAT'S the word I was looking for! Much better descriptor.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: LennardF1989 on March 09, 2010, 07:19:34 PM
D9 was indeed an awesome movie.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 09, 2010, 09:16:33 PM
Yes but apartheid with aliens is much more interesting than a Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas clone with blue people.  Apartheid is much more broad of a subject than a simple story that has been told a thousand times.  I enjoyed Avatar but just for the eye candy.  D-9 had some great effects and an interesting story.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: goodkebab on March 10, 2010, 10:38:05 AM
I like the quote on wikipedia about Hurt locker, which is criticized for its lack of authenticity, and yet Transformers is praised for it.

Regardless,  the merits of Hurt Locker are not in its authenticity.....its just a good film.  The film was about how war is an addictive drug for the main character, and how it drove him to do reckless things.  The authenticity is lost without a doubt, but does  a good job of driving home the tension and stress of the job.  I think to get that impact though, you have to sacrifice realism for the sake of getting the message to the audience. 
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Bubbaganoosh on March 10, 2010, 04:14:33 PM
I didn't think the Hurt Locker was that good tbh. It was ok but I would count many other movies much better (like Black Hawk Down).
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Spekkio on March 11, 2010, 12:01:05 AM
Quoteand yet Transformers is praised for it.
Well, IRL there aren't robots flying around, but the director of Xformers did work with the Navy ships involved in the film...the military aspect of it is authentic, even though it's not the focus of the movie.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 11, 2010, 01:16:59 AM
Quote from: Bubbaganoosh on March 10, 2010, 04:14:33 PM
I didn't think the Hurt Locker was that good tbh. It was ok but I would count many other movies much better (like Black Hawk Down).

Yes.  BHD is amazing.  Every time I watch I love it.  I don't think I could say the same for The Hurt Locker even though I've only seen it once.  Seems like a one and done kind of film.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Spekkio on March 11, 2010, 01:23:12 AM
BHD is praised for being pretty authentic regarding the big stuff, and was shown to people who were there prior to being released. However, their SFX and stuff are all Hollywood, which is more forgivable to me than authentic SFX and a guy who would be kicked out of the military if he wasn't killed first. Much of the criticism of BHD centers around the omission of other specwar/specops units that supported the mission. They also decided not to include the fact that the Somalis grabbed children and used them as bullet shields.

One big fake part of BHD is the hike toward the end of the movie. Word is that they didn't walk that far...they ran it.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: CurdyMilk on March 11, 2010, 01:54:23 AM
I have an Oscar.  But it's my dog not a movie award  :(.  He is a little weiner dog (dachshund) and we named him after the Oscar Mayer Weiner Company hot dogs since he is a hot dog himself.  This is how he looks when he begs for food.
(https://community.projectstealthgame.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogbreedinfo.com%2Fimages18%2FDachshundOscar5yearsOld1.JPG&hash=36e6774f315f24b7b20671cd39e074c1eceb45eb)
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: tigaer on March 11, 2010, 03:29:36 AM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on March 11, 2010, 01:54:23 AM
I have an Oscar.  But it's my dog not a movie award  :(.  He is a little weiner dog (dachshund) and we named him after the Oscar Mayer Weiner Company hot dogs since he is a hot dog himself.  This is how he looks when he begs for food.
(https://community.projectstealthgame.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogbreedinfo.com%2Fimages18%2FDachshundOscar5yearsOld1.JPG&hash=36e6774f315f24b7b20671cd39e074c1eceb45eb)

I lol'd. Hard.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: MR.Mic on March 11, 2010, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: tigaer on March 11, 2010, 03:29:36 AM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on March 11, 2010, 01:54:23 AM
I have an Oscar.  But it's my dog not a movie award  :(.  He is a little weiner dog (dachshund) and we named him after the Oscar Mayer Weiner Company hot dogs since he is a hot dog himself.  This is how he looks when he begs for food.
(https://community.projectstealthgame.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogbreedinfo.com%2Fimages18%2FDachshundOscar5yearsOld1.JPG&hash=36e6774f315f24b7b20671cd39e074c1eceb45eb)

I lol'd. Hard.
I lol'd while hard.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: goodkebab on March 11, 2010, 09:10:31 AM
I just watched Deer Hunter recently, and even though it is an excellent war film, one of the top of its genre.  The style of its direction  is so different to contemporary film  that I am sure it would not be recieved as well with present day audiences.

Should note that Hurt Locker was an independent film with its  initial release in Italy.  It never made it to "Hollywood" until after it recieved good reviews at Cannes.  It is considered a low budget film, so your not going to get a hundred actors on set, or 20 min. firefights through city streets like in BHD.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 11, 2010, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: MR.Mic on March 11, 2010, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: tigaer on March 11, 2010, 03:29:36 AM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on March 11, 2010, 01:54:23 AM
I have an Oscar.  But it's my dog not a movie award  :(.  He is a little weiner dog (dachshund) and we named him after the Oscar Mayer Weiner Company hot dogs since he is a hot dog himself.  This is how he looks when he begs for food.
(https://community.projectstealthgame.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogbreedinfo.com%2Fimages18%2FDachshundOscar5yearsOld1.JPG&hash=36e6774f315f24b7b20671cd39e074c1eceb45eb)

I lol'd. Hard.
I lol'd while hard.

You laughed at which weiner?
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: frvge on March 11, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
Shouldn't it be a wiener? As in sausage?
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: CurdyMilk on March 11, 2010, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: frvge on March 11, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
Shouldn't it be a wiener? As in sausage?
I am not sure about the spelling.  I see it written both ways.  But yeah you could call it a hot dog, sausage, etc.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 12, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: frvge on March 11, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
Shouldn't it be a wiener? As in sausage?

I know I know, i before e.  Whatever.  I like weiner.  I prefer the emphasis.  It's like Way Eener.  Wiener is more like Wee Ayner.  It's a preference thing.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Cronky on March 12, 2010, 01:33:42 AM
Quote from: FarleyFan on March 12, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
I like weiner.

Too easy/Felt it HAD to be done

;D
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 12, 2010, 06:37:28 AM
(https://community.projectstealthgame.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldengine.org%2Fmembers%2Frotigel%2FIm_Stupid%2FIm_stupid.jpg&hash=ad8d7dc8f37b3a0dd035757160fd6a25d31486ea)
and i liek weiner
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on March 12, 2010, 06:38:38 AM
i'm seriously lolling effing hard right now for not realizing what I wrote
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Savior20061 on April 02, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
I liked Avatar. It was beautiful, had tons of action, and had neocons foaming at the mouth because a bunch of white mercenaries prostituting themselves for a corporation got their bitch-asses kicked. Cameron should receive every award in existence.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 02, 2010, 09:19:28 PM
A new political thread?  Sweet.

Pocahontas was better.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: frvge on April 02, 2010, 11:03:10 PM
I am more a fan of The Lion King.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 02, 2010, 11:40:38 PM
Well, me too, but since Cameron basically copied and pasted the story from Pochahontas or Dances with Wolves so he could showcase his team's magnificent skill in computer imagery, he doesn't deserve a single Oscar.  The story was crap, the acting wasn't too bad, good camera work and impressive visuals.  About it.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Savior20061 on April 02, 2010, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: FarleyFan on April 02, 2010, 11:40:38 PM
Well, me too, but since Cameron basically copied and pasted the story from Pochahontas or Dances with Wolves so he could showcase his team's magnificent skill in computer imagery, he doesn't deserve a single Oscar.  The story was crap, the acting wasn't too bad, good camera work and impressive visuals.  About it.
I do agree about that. It was a blast to watch, very emotional for me. But in hindsight it was fairly cliche.
When Sully fell in the love with the chief's daughter, I was very consciously aware that it would happen when I first saw her.  :(
I still love the movie though. It's my second favorite of all time, my favorite being Lord of the Rings. ;D
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 04, 2010, 01:50:20 AM
Who has seen Clash of the Titans yet?  If you haven't, do not go see it.  Save yourself the 10 bucks.  It's probably the worst movie I've seen all year.  Ever since I saw the Clash of the Titans I always thought that it would be the perfect movie to remake.  However, with the way Hollywood operates these days, I was dead wrong.  It's nothing but a pretty film with no substance, it's quick cash-in.

It's REALLY predictable, and not just because it's a remake.  

The lines, you can call what the actors will say before they say it.  It's weird.

The lead actor has no presense at all.  Perseus gets his ass kicked the whole movie and he's supposed to be a demi-God?  Liam Neeson and the guy who plays Hades (forgot his name) are given little screen time and are completely wasted as true talent.  The bad guy from Casino Royale was actually pretty good as a captain.

The Kraken (SPOILERS!!!!!) dies in like 5 minutes and is the biggest boner-kill in any movie of all time.  He messed up the city a little bit and then died instantly.  Zeus says "Release the Kraken!" and I was like "Yeah, time for the good stuff FINALLY!" and then he dies before I can say "Kraken Boner"

Hades (SPOILERS!!!!!) is defeated instantly at the end of the movie without any kind of a battle.  It reminded me of the Fable 2 ending.  It was that bad.

The CGI is borderline bad at times but good at other times.  Medusa looks like she was taken from a sci-fi channel movie.

There is no Poseidon in the entire movie but he is constantly mentioned (WTF?).

Plenty of plot holes (SPOILERS!!!!) like Medusa's eyes being able to turn the Kraken into stone but she can't turn this beast wizard guy into stone.

HUGE WASTE OF POTENTIAL!!!  This reminds me of Terminator: Salvation (not just because of Sam Worthington) but because they didn't deliver what fans and audience wanted.  At all.  Reminds me of the first Hulk movie.  Maybe they will remake the remake in one year like the Hulk.  

:'(

Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Savior20061 on April 04, 2010, 05:18:51 AM
I thought Kratos killed all the gods?
FarelyFan, chances are it's not that bad and you are too wrapped up in nostalgia. At least that's what people say about the classics.
Title: Re: How to win an Oscar
Post by: Farley4Fan on April 04, 2010, 05:54:02 AM
I didn't really like the original movie that much.  That's why I thought it would be the perfect movie to remake.  It's pretty bad.  It has like a 35 on metascore.