Epic
It is good but not epic in my opinion. I'm still glad I saw it.
I still hold Memento as his best / biggest mindfuck movie but Inception was sweet too - and I think the better concept. I thought he'd drowned at the end, I kept forgetting the rain city was also a dream. ;D
This movie was way more of a mindfuck than memento... The only story line in memento that was crazy and up to interpretation was if he was the man with short term loss in his stories. That is hinted strongly at by his split second appearance in place of Sammy in the chair. In my opinion, he changed the story of a real Sammy (faker) into his story (real). According to Teddy, Sammy didn't have a wife. Leonard did. He killed his wife by mistake after the rape/break-in. He remembers seeing his wife DYING in the bathroom though, and thinks that killed her. His story has become part of him, a way of coping.
Inception, on the other hand, has a much larger scale of WTF.... Spoilers...(We need that spoiler tag other forums have)
Throughout the movie, Cobb makes a set of rules that he tells others never to break. He breaks almost all of them though. Never create dreams from memory. He sleeps and his only dreams are memories of his wife. He doesn't want to let go, and she won't let him. Another rule is to never let ANYONE touch your totem (dirty). If you remember, his totem isn't even his; it's his wifes. Someone else knows that it feels like, therefor rendering it useless (explained later). Now, my theory is that the ENTIRE movie is a dream. There are key points that point to it.
1. He is being chased around by an unknown and faceless organization. As far as I know it doesn't normally happen like that. Only in a dream...
2. When he is running, he encounters two walls that seem to close in on him as he goes through. That certainly defies logic...
3. He is pulled out of a few bad situations (chase in Mombasa) in very "lucky" ways. Why is Saito waiting for him? It certainly could happen, but looking deeper, it would seem that it is only more proof of a dreamworld.
4. The suicide... The movie leads up to his wife as the antagonist and Cobb as the protagonist. Think of it this way: Cobb is dreaming, but has accepted this as his reality. He doesn't understand that his wife may be right. She tries her best to convince him but can't, so she sets him up. Notice when she jumps she is in a FALL... that is a key point. Throughout the movie falling awakens people from their dreams. Symbolism.
5. When he exits the plane, a few things happen. He is greeted by his father, which seems odd as the movie never SHOWS him being in on the whole plan... As Cobb walks, a lot of people look at him, which if you remember, happens in dreams. He leaves the airport and goes to his house, where his kids haven't aged and are doing the same thing as when he left. He spins the top, but gets distracted.
What if Mal was right? What if she woke up when she jumped? He has himself convinced that dying would kill him because that is HIS reality. In my opinion, Cobb had to go through this challenge to free himself of the guilt he had because he thought that he was responsible for his wifes suicide. In every dream he refuses to know the details of the layout because then Mal will know. But, no other dreamer knowing the layout causes the Projections (think of the snow dream) to immediately know what is going on and how to cut them off. He has to go deep to find Mal and confront her. He finally deals with the regret and guilt he has, and when that happens, the movie is resolved. He then goes home and spins the top, which wobbles but doesn't fall, leaving ambiguity. My take : He doesn't care. He has his life back and whether or not the top is spinning and it is real or a dream, he doesn't care. This is HIS life and he is happy to be back. Maybe he is still stuck in Mal's dream, I don't know for sure.
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I loved it. Nolan is truly one of the best directors out there.
Quote from: Ion.67 on July 22, 2010, 01:05:01 AM
This movie was way more of a mindfuck than memento... The only story line in memento that was crazy and up to interpretation was if he was the man with short term loss in his stories. That is hinted strongly at by his split second appearance in place of Sammy in the chair. In my opinion, he changed the story of a real Sammy (faker) into his story (real). According to Teddy, Sammy didn't have a wife. Leonard did. He killed his wife by mistake after the rape/break-in. He remembers seeing his wife DYING in the bathroom though, and thinks that killed her. His story has become part of him, a way of coping.
Inception, on the other hand, has a much larger scale of WTF.... Spoilers...(We need that spoiler tag other forums have)
Throughout the movie, Cobb makes a set of rules that he tells others never to break. He breaks almost all of them though. Never create dreams from memory. He sleeps and his only dreams are memories of his wife. He doesn't want to let go, and she won't let him. Another rule is to never let ANYONE touch your totem (dirty). If you remember, his totem isn't even his; it's his wifes. Someone else knows that it feels like, therefor rendering it useless (explained later). Now, my theory is that the ENTIRE movie is a dream. There are key points that point to it.
100% disagree there. Memento was filmed in a way that was meant to be disorientating and hard to follow, when it all came together it was a mindfuck. Sammy didn't exist, it was him.
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1. He is being chased around by an unknown and faceless organization. As far as I know it doesn't normally happen like that. Only in a dream...
I'm pretty sure this is brought up about a previous job he did.
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2. When he is running, he encounters two walls that seem to close in on him as he goes through. That certainly defies logic...
That's just because Nolan wants you to remember it at the end with the token thing to consider that it's not reality. Also, if you look at where they are, it's not like where you probably live, the building space plan probably wouldn't have been made, they might have just ended up building next to each-other that close. I hardly think the walls held any significance. If the dream world was created, things like that would be less likely to ocur..
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3. He is pulled out of a few bad situations (chase in Mombasa) in very "lucky" ways. Why is Saito waiting for him? It certainly could happen, but looking deeper, it would seem that it is only more proof of a dreamworld.
Maybe, I see the things you're pulling out but I'm not convinced. Saito has his own reasons and motives for being there.
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4. The suicide... The movie leads up to his wife as the antagonist and Cobb as the protagonist. Think of it this way: Cobb is dreaming, but has accepted this as his reality. He doesn't understand that his wife may be right. She tries her best to convince him but can't, so she sets him up. Notice when she jumps she is in a FALL... that is a key point. Throughout the movie falling awakens people from their dreams. Symbolism.
Yes, maybe hoping she'd awaken before she died. Let us also consider that his wife is insane, unable to draw the line between reality and dreaming any more. She's experience death and all it ever was was just an awakening, hence why she's so hasty to kill herself. She COULD be right, but if she wasn't so hasty should could wait out death until an old age, die, and not too much time would have passed.
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5. When he exits the plane, a few things happen. He is greeted by his father, which seems odd as the movie never SHOWS him being in on the whole plan... As Cobb walks, a lot of people look at him, which if you remember, happens in dreams. He leaves the airport and goes to his house, where his kids haven't aged and are doing the same thing as when he left. He spins the top, but gets distracted.
His father travels between countries a lot. He was waiting with the crowd of people who were waiting for people to get off the plane. The kids are still playing, no surprise. And you're just extrapolating by saying they haven't aged, you never SAW them before, he wasn't gone for that long.
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What if Mal was right? What if she woke up when she jumped? He has himself convinced that dying would kill him because that is HIS reality. In my opinion, Cobb had to go through this challenge to free himself of the guilt he had because he thought that he was responsible for his wifes suicide. In every dream he refuses to know the details of the layout because then Mal will know. But, no other dreamer knowing the layout causes the Projections (think of the snow dream) to immediately know what is going on and how to cut them off. He has to go deep to find Mal and confront her. He finally deals with the regret and guilt he has, and when that happens, the movie is resolved. He then goes home and spins the top, which wobbles but doesn't fall, leaving ambiguity. My take : He doesn't care. He has his life back and whether or not the top is spinning and it is real or a dream, he doesn't care. This is HIS life and he is happy to be back. Maybe he is still stuck in Mal's dream, I don't know for sure.
I can't even know if he was still in a dream, but that spinning top WAS going to fall. The token was made in that level of reality, so it would have fallen eventually. It was just to leave the question of "is this real?" hanging in the viewers mind before the film ended.
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I loved it. Nolan is truly one of the best directors out there.
Quote from: Tidenburg on July 21, 2010, 05:34:15 PM
I still hold Memento as his best / biggest mindfuck movie but Inception was sweet too - and I think the better concept. I thought he'd drowned at the end, I kept forgetting the rain city was also a dream. ;D
God, spoiler warning next time, gees. I didn't see it yet :(
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Quote from: Tidenburg on July 21, 2010, 05:34:15 PM
I still hold Memento as his best / biggest mindfuck movie but Inception was sweet too - and I think the better concept. I thought he'd drowned at the end, I kept forgetting the rain city was also a dream. ;D
God, spoiler warning next time, gees. I didn't see it yet :(
The water is the kick that wakes them up, you about this within the first half-hour. :3 I just got confused, it wasn't actually a plot point or anything ;P
inception was garbage, its another typical lame plot/action movie , the acting was so horrible I left the movie 30 minutes before ending time, seriously how can any of you actually buy into this mainstream hollywood shit ?
leonardo dicaprio is the most over-rated actor of our generation, how can any of you take him serious in a big action movie ? he comes off to me as a little kid trying to be a big man, and as for the other skinny partner guy who was his partner, his acting was horrible,
another thing that was really stupid is, when that girl was introduced to inception, she just accepted the idea and was like YEAH LETS DO THIS I'LL HELP YOU CREATE AND ARCHITECT YOUR DREAMS !, god what a lame movie, the twilight zone actors from the late 50's and 60's make these actors look like ametures.
oh and that woman who played leonardo's wife was absolutley horrible , district 9 completely kicks the shit out of this garbage made movie, it sucks and all you kiddies that bought into it are the reason movies are 9.50, okay fuck you farley fan
Quote from: Little Baby PiG on July 25, 2010, 11:12:28 PM
inception was garbage, its another typical lame plot/action movie , the acting was so horrible I left the movie 30 minutes before ending time, seriously how can any of you actually buy into this mainstream hollywood shit ?
leonardo dicaprio is the most over-rated actor of our generation, how can any of you take him serious in a big action movie ? he comes off to me as a little kid trying to be a big man, and as for the other skinny partner guy who was his partner, his acting was horrible,
another thing that was really stupid is, when that girl was introduced to inception, she just accepted the idea and was like YEAH LETS DO THIS I'LL HELP YOU CREATE AND ARCHITECT YOUR DREAMS !, god what a lame movie, the twilight zone actors from the late 50's and 60's make these actors look like ametures.
oh and that woman who played leonardo's wife was absolutley horrible , district 9 completely kicks the shit out of this garbage made movie, it sucks and all you kiddies that bought into it are the reason movies are 9.50, okay fuck you farley fan
I think you're crazy. This is one of my favorite movies of all time. The concept and execution were just mind boggling. I'm going to go see it again in a few days.
umad move tickets are only $6 here? lol
Quote from: Little Baby PiG on July 25, 2010, 11:12:28 PM
inception was garbage, its another typical lame plot/action movie , the acting was so horrible I left the movie 30 minutes before ending time, seriously how can any of you actually buy into this mainstream hollywood shit ?
leonardo dicaprio is the most over-rated actor of our generation, how can any of you take him serious in a big action movie ? he comes off to me as a little kid trying to be a big man, and as for the other skinny partner guy who was his partner, his acting was horrible,
another thing that was really stupid is, when that girl was introduced to inception, she just accepted the idea and was like YEAH LETS DO THIS I'LL HELP YOU CREATE AND ARCHITECT YOUR DREAMS !, god what a lame movie, the twilight zone actors from the late 50's and 60's make these actors look like ametures.
oh and that woman who played leonardo's wife was absolutley horrible , district 9 completely kicks the shit out of this garbage made movie, it sucks and all you kiddies that bought into it are the reason movies are 9.50, okay fuck you farley fan
obvious troll is obvious
Omg, watch out for the paradox in your avatar Maestro!!!
I thought the movie was great. Obviously Twilight Zone is classic but this is a great attempt at trying to make the audience question reality like the Matrix did a decade ago. I liked this movie much more than the Matrix, though. It has very ambiguous boundaries of reality/imagination if there are any boundaries at all.
Leonardo is overrated but he wasn't that bad in this movie. Every time I see him I see the little kid in Titanic trying to sleep with mommy's hot best friend.
Joseph Gordon Levitt did great, can't agree there Pig.
Quit trying to act like your tastes are so superior and you are just just so prestigious that any attempt hollywood makes is automatically shit.
Walking out of the theater I expected a kick and to wake up in some obscure place. I was waiting to fall down the hallway in the same direction I was walking down. Any movie that makes you feel something is a success imo, it shows that it has a soul and those are the ones you remember.
leonardo may be overrated, but inception is most definitely one of the best movies i've seen. awesomeness like this happens when you give a talented indie regisseur hollywood budget. though i'm pretty sure they simplified it for the theaters and the director's cut will be even better.
After thinking about it for a while I came up with my conclusion.
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Nolan purposely created an ambiguous ending, right? He has a knack for doing that. A major theme of the movie is perception of reality. I think that's what he was trying to get the audience to do, to perceive the reality of the ending. I'm not sure whether or not Nolan actually wrote what ACTUALLY happened to DiCaprio at the end. I think he made it impossible to decipher for a reason. I don't think there is an actual reason to debate about what actually happened because a billion scenarios are perfectly possible.
He wants each person to have a different perception of the reality of the ending and he gives many reasons for both sides of the debate to feel the way they do. Was Cobb dreaming the whole entire thing? Was the professor using inception to help Cobb finally get rid of his guilt? Was Cobb actually in the realm of reality at the end? Each conclusion has evidence supporting it, and not enough evidence to disprove them. It's really weird.
The totem spinning top started to wobble at the end, giving the impression that it was about to fall. But was it? The immigration agent at the airport was strange and stared at Cobb - is that normal for immigration agents to behave this way (certainly could be true) or was it just the way that projected people stare at the dream subjects?
The ambiguity of it all is symbolic of the entire movie. No one knows which way is up, no one knows which reality is reality, right? It was, imo, Nolan's way of getting you into the movie and the way the characters felt. We are all like Mal (Cobb's wife) in how we question reality and think "what if?"
Nolan has used this movie as a tool of inception in order to get us questioning reality just like Cobb used inception to get Mal to question the reality of the Limbo state they were in
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i just love kids like maestro who cant put up a reasonable argument against my statement, but only can write obvious troll obvious, god how unoriginal can you be man ? your a mainstreamed internet boy, go fetch your daddy's newspaper bitch
I don't think Nolan movies are very mainstream. Well, not until dark knight but that's because it had the batman name. Like Rambo said he was an indie guy like your favorite movie's director (District 9). Not everything "mainstream" is crap, and not everything that is non "mainstream" is good.