I bought SC:CT about 2 years ago and when Ubisoft decided to shutdown their old online store they took my MP key with it. Emails to customer support return saying my order number doesn't exist. I'm just wondering if anyone else had a similar problem and if they ever found a way to get it back. I don't feel like paying for a 6 year old game that I already own for a third time. I feel bad for anyone who had a substantial collection of Ubisoft games before they did that. I feel ashamed that I even paid for DRM-ridden Conviction after that. How can you completely erase someone's games? The whole idea of digital distribution is that they are stored forever in the "cloud". Then companies proceed to :'( (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/11/11/store-wars-rivals-threaten-to-boycott-steam/) when Steam dominates the market for doing things right.
Ubisoft tends to love the customer when the customer gives them money, then shortly after they say "Fuck off, we already got your money, we'll make the games we wanna make to get more money so we can tell more people to fuck off so we can more more games for more money and more and money and more MONEY..."
Ubisofts downfall will be their complete disrespect to the fans that gave them the success they have. Well, hopefully at least.
What I think is wrong with Ubisoft is that they are trying to juggle far too many "opportunities" in the air. They're trying WAY too hard at doing the "Now" thing. While everyone is taking their part and focusing on it; Ubisoft just attempts to be that "Everything" company. They have such a broad scope though that it seems like nothing gets the attention it deserves, and it ends up biting them in the ass later down the road.
Taking a quick peek at their list of games on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubisoft_games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubisoft_games)), Ubisoft looks to be that company that mostly just tries to do movie/show tie-ins. That, or casual games like "Petz". While there are many "Gems" within the list, every one that they seem to figure out was good they just milk till it's dead. (See: Rayman, Driver, anything with Tom Clancy before it, Prince of Persia, Myst, Farcry, etc)
What they really need to do is focus on their strengths. Hell, the Stealth Genre of games is minuscule at best. They're also good at it when they TRY, and while they seem to get that (what with Assassins Creed getting pumped out regularly), they are changing stealth instead of emphasizing it. Making it faster because the mainstream audience, which they are reaching to with every other game they make, doesn't want to wait in a dark corner for their enemy, watch for patrol routes, or sneak slowly across a level.
That's not inherently BAD, but when they try to retrofit an older franchise with a newer style that is in direct opposition of its original one... it just fails to deliver a product that actually stands out.
It's like Bioware changing Dragon Age into a hack n' slash simply because the average gamer doesn't want to have to pause the game and actually think about how to approach a situation.
Oh wait, Ubisoft did that to Bioware's Dragon Age 1.0 series "Balder's Gate" with Balder's Gate: Dark Alliance.
TL;DR Version:
Ubisoft isn't a BAD company, they just don't have any focus.
Quote from: Farley4Fan on December 09, 2010, 08:18:34 AM
Ubisofts downfall will be their complete disrespect to the fans that gave them the success they have. Well, hopefully at least.
I dunno dude. Like half the people on this forum I see talking about how shit DA was compared to CT still bought it, and they still bought Conviction. Everyone talks about how bad Ubi is, but they don't seem to have stopped buying their games.
Well I inserted "hopefully" in their for a reason haha
Personally, I bought DA because it was the sequel to CT and looked good from the videos. I preordered it and was so excited when I got the call that they had it early and bla bla bla. I had no idea at the time what they were actually doing behind the scenes, not only to Sam, but to SvM. I would never buy Conviction at launch, it was the sequel to DA. I waited for reviews and STILL, even after the good reviews, just rented it.
Now I can see what Ubi is doing with their games after Conviction, DA, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood (online blows), and Future Soldier. I mean, come on. They haven't tapped into the mainstream market with their onslaught of Hanna Montana DS games? What about their "new" laser tag thing that really came out 20 years ago? Apparently not shallow enough for Ubi. They say, hey, let's bring our hardcore franchises down 1 or 3,000 notches instead of making new shallow titles simply for keeping the fucking namesake. Fuck ubi.
The problem with the gaming industry is that gamers have too much money. They just buy anything with the right name and support the degradation of franchises. "Oh the new call of duty came out? Guess I'll go get that then har har"... Fuck gamers.
People still buy their titles I think mostly out of hope they may have done something right this time. I know I bought conviction even though DA was a piece of shit. I was under the hope they would have learned lessons from DA and improved on Conviction. Well they did in some cases but the single player was too short and the mp failed miserably. Yes it worked for alot of people but many couldn't even play mp.
As was said here already, once UBI has your money they could give a shit and they bank on people like me to buy title after title. Well, since I bought Conviction and was disappointed by it I can easily say no more from UBI unless I play a demo that gives me a good indication of what the final product will be like. I actually bought AC2 but when I saw you need a permanent connection like Conviction I took it back. Fuck your DRM UBI, it's bullshit when you can't play a single player game without an internet connection. The funniest part is the games probably got hacked faster than just regular DRM. UBI is made of fail.
Most of the time I hate Ubisoft, but one thing did hit me, think about Conviction, great concept, really nice idea, but failed because they didn't keep in touch with it and cared about it. Now I play conviction with my brother 1v1, and to be honest I am having a lot of fun with him, Ubisoft has something that makes their games fun to play with even if they are shit for the whole community.
Also has anyone here played AC? Have you noticed when you want to run faster, it says Free-run, what do you think that means? Because when you do acrobatics they are considered as Parkour moves, do you think that a typo? Because many people do, I don't because I think Free-run doesn't really mean Freerunning as a sport, but freerunning as free roam? Anyone agree disagree?
I dislike Ubisoft as well. I mean everything they come out with today is only hand holding games. The worst part is that many people actually buy their stuff and start acting like they know a lot of stuff. They changed all the Clancy games into copies of something else. Rainbow Six became a COD copy, Ghost Recon is becoming into some kind of space shooter or something and Conviction is basically 24 season 7.
I forgot to mention, I also bought Ruse, damn, but I like this game and it doesn't use Ubisoft's DRM believe it or not. Conviction is a great game too. Honestly, to me it makes sense where they went with the series, it's more "realistic". I mean, standing 6 inches in front of somebody in the dark and they don't see you... Really? With that said, it's a great non-Splinter Cell game, it doesn't even seem a part of the series.
So I guess nobody else lost their MP key?
Edit:
I agree with Argus on Rainbow Six too. I played Rogue Spear back in the day and the new games, although fun, don't compare.
I never bought nor played Conviction. And I'm pretty proud of that.
Right now I doubt anyone is buying Conviction, Since Razer and Spa-- something fully cracked it and you can play MP over tunngle.
Quote from: B-3A Misty Lady on December 09, 2010, 09:57:09 AMI dunno dude. Like half the people on this forum I see talking about how shit DA was compared to CT still bought it, and they still bought Conviction. Everyone talks about how bad Ubi is, but they don't seem to have stopped buying their games.
I won DA in the tourney, so I didn't have to buy it. I played it through once, and tried the SvM for 10 minutes and was done. I uninstalled it and now I don't even know where the DVD is anymore.
SC:C wasn't even on my radar. When Steam had their recent sales, it was down to about $19 which is in my 'fuck it and buy it' range. I didn't.
In fact, the only UBI game I've bought in the last three years was SCCT for my Win7 machine via Steam so I could play through the campaign again.
I bought DA, but I bought it for the SP. I thought the MP was going to be like SCCT's and then I found out it wasn't. I went back to CT. The old xbox/PS2 version of DA is better or at least the SP because it's multiplayer Spy vs Spy is absolute crap.
Conviction I didn't buy it's just incredible how much of it is actually the same as 24. Aside from that the MP is laggy just like every other UBI game that has come out lately. It's also the same ridiculous Spy Vs Spy crap. They even put some sort of mode where you get to fight waves of enemies. That company is going downhill or at least I hope it goes downhill but somehow it still has masses of brainless "fans" buying whatever crap UBI throws a them.
EDIT: Don't know what happened there
Quote from: LoChang on December 09, 2010, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: B-3A Misty Lady on December 09, 2010, 09:57:09 AMI dunno dude. Like half the people on this forum I see talking about how shit DA was compared to CT still bought it, and they still bought Conviction. Everyone talks about how bad Ubi is, but they don't seem to have stopped buying their games.
I won DA in the tourney, so I didn't have to buy it. I played it through once, and tried the SvM for 10 minutes and was done. I uninstalled it and now I don't even know where the DVD is anymore.
SC:C wasn't even on my radar. When Steam had their recent sales, it was down to about $19 which is in my 'fuck it and buy it' range. I didn't.
In fact, the only UBI game I've bought in the last three years was SCCT for my Win7 machine via Steam so I could play through the campaign again.
I don't know why but I am having a fever of not being able to play SCCT Campaign due to the slow speed of the gameplay >< I wish I could be a shadownet spy in the campaign ;D
I never played it, so what was so bad about DA's SvM? And now that Argus mentioned it, most people don't even know about the generation-six-version of Double Agent's multiplayer. Complete and utter $#!^. You think SC:C's Spy vs Spy is bad? :D
Quote from: Malice on December 09, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
I never played it, so what was so bad about DA's SvM? And now that Argus mentioned it, most people don't even know about the generation-six-version of Double Agent's multiplayer. Complete and utter $#!^. You think SC:C's Spy vs Spy is bad? :D
DA's SvM is retarded beyond so many levels. First spies don't get shock guns/tasers, then they get to choose from four gadgets which are flasbangs, smoke grenades, spy detector jammer or something and syringes. Objectives aren't like in CT, there's only terminals and the spies get remote hacking devices. Mercenaries get explosive drones, frag grenades, spy detector and a crappy EMF. The worst of those is the spy detector, there was no point in hiding in shadows since the detector tells the merc were the spy is. It's SvM simplified, they added one more player slot making it 3v3 but the only reason that was added was so that if one of the spies would be bad then the other could help out unless that spy was just as terrible. Same idea with the mercs. The models also looked like crap IMO, spies looked like cyberpunks or something and mercs looked like high tech rednecks.
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI) Spy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related) Mercenary (that's the best I could find)
Quote from: ArgusMercenary on December 09, 2010, 09:38:05 PM
I bought DA, but I bought it for the SP. I thought the MP was going to be like SCCT's and then I found out it wasn't. I went back to CT. The old xbox/PS2 version of DA is better or at least the SP because it's multiplayer Spy vs Spy is absolute crap.
Conviction I didn't buy it's just incredible how much of it is actually the same as 24. Aside from that the MP is laggy just like every other UBI game that has come out lately. It's also the same ridiculous Spy Vs Spy crap. They even put some sort of mode where you get to fight waves of enemies. That company is going downhill or at least I hope it goes downhill but somehow it still has masses of brainless "fans" buying whatever crap UBI throws a them.
EDIT: Don't know what happened there
SOMEONE FINALLY SEES MY POINT *_* !!!! , such poor souls that fall to that are such examples :
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/6821086588 . poor little bastard .
Quote from: AgentX_003 on December 10, 2010, 03:54:18 AM
Quote from: ArgusMercenary on December 09, 2010, 09:38:05 PM
I bought DA, but I bought it for the SP. I thought the MP was going to be like SCCT's and then I found out it wasn't. I went back to CT. The old xbox/PS2 version of DA is better or at least the SP because it's multiplayer Spy vs Spy is absolute crap.
Conviction I didn't buy it's just incredible how much of it is actually the same as 24. Aside from that the MP is laggy just like every other UBI game that has come out lately. It's also the same ridiculous Spy Vs Spy crap. They even put some sort of mode where you get to fight waves of enemies. That company is going downhill or at least I hope it goes downhill but somehow it still has masses of brainless "fans" buying whatever crap UBI throws a them.
EDIT: Don't know what happened there
SOMEONE FINALLY SEES MY POINT *_* !!!! , such poor souls that fall to that are such examples :
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/6821086588 . poor little bastard .
The saddest thing is that most of those people don't even know what they're saying.
Quote from: ArgusMercenary on December 10, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: Malice on December 09, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
I never played it, so what was so bad about DA's SvM? And now that Argus mentioned it, most people don't even know about the generation-six-version of Double Agent's multiplayer. Complete and utter $#!^. You think SC:C's Spy vs Spy is bad? :D
DA's SvM is retarded beyond so many levels. First spies don't get shock guns/tasers, then they get to choose from four gadgets which are flasbangs, smoke grenades, spy detector jammer or something and syringes. Objectives aren't like in CT, there's only terminals and the spies get remote hacking devices. Mercenaries get explosive drones, frag grenades, spy detector and a crappy EMF. The worst of those is the spy detector, there was no point in hiding in shadows since the detector tells the merc were the spy is. It's SvM simplified, they added one more player slot making it 3v3 but the only reason that was added was so that if one of the spies would be bad then the other could help out unless that spy was just as terrible. Same idea with the mercs. The models also looked like crap IMO, spies looked like cyberpunks or something and mercs looked like high tech rednecks.
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI) Spy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related) Mercenary (that's the best I could find)
Even if SCDA sucked to play, it still had many options that were awesome, like better movements and sweet COSHTUMEZ :)
[RRRRR LAGZ DOUBLE POST]
Quote from: DreadStunLock on December 10, 2010, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: ArgusMercenary on December 10, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: Malice on December 09, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
I never played it, so what was so bad about DA's SvM? And now that Argus mentioned it, most people don't even know about the generation-six-version of Double Agent's multiplayer. Complete and utter $#!^. You think SC:C's Spy vs Spy is bad? :D
DA's SvM is retarded beyond so many levels. First spies don't get shock guns/tasers, then they get to choose from four gadgets which are flasbangs, smoke grenades, spy detector jammer or something and syringes. Objectives aren't like in CT, there's only terminals and the spies get remote hacking devices. Mercenaries get explosive drones, frag grenades, spy detector and a crappy EMF. The worst of those is the spy detector, there was no point in hiding in shadows since the detector tells the merc were the spy is. It's SvM simplified, they added one more player slot making it 3v3 but the only reason that was added was so that if one of the spies would be bad then the other could help out unless that spy was just as terrible. Same idea with the mercs. The models also looked like crap IMO, spies looked like cyberpunks or something and mercs looked like high tech rednecks.
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI) Spy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related) Mercenary (that's the best I could find)
Even if SCDA sucked to play, it still had many options that were awesome, like better movements and sweet COSHTUMEZ :)
I don't know really, I never liked the appearances. the last merc costume looked like a football player or something and the spies never really looked good. The movement was fine except for spies being too fast at times, the grapple was also fine but who knows how that would've worked on CT anyways.
Quote from: ArgusMercenary on December 10, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: Malice on December 09, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
I never played it, so what was so bad about DA's SvM? And now that Argus mentioned it, most people don't even know about the generation-six-version of Double Agent's multiplayer. Complete and utter $#!^. You think SC:C's Spy vs Spy is bad? :D
DA's SvM is retarded beyond so many levels. First spies don't get shock guns/tasers, then they get to choose from four gadgets which are flasbangs, smoke grenades, spy detector jammer or something and syringes. Objectives aren't like in CT, there's only terminals and the spies get remote hacking devices. Mercenaries get explosive drones, frag grenades, spy detector and a crappy EMF. The worst of those is the spy detector, there was no point in hiding in shadows since the detector tells the merc were the spy is. It's SvM simplified, they added one more player slot making it 3v3 but the only reason that was added was so that if one of the spies would be bad then the other could help out unless that spy was just as terrible. Same idea with the mercs. The models also looked like crap IMO, spies looked like cyberpunks or something and mercs looked like high tech rednecks.
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggJfXbdARI) Spy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrsWnxQhWQ&feature=related) Mercenary (that's the best I could find)
Although not the same as CT, I do like the pace of that Spy video, it feels so much faster than CT somehow (=better IMO).
It is nice, since it's different from SCCT.
Pros of Doubleagent:
-Spys were on the defensive rather then offensive , so it held true to what versus was supposed be
and that is : A cat and mouse type of feel.
- Did not matter of being a host or client, bullets hit dead on where ever you aimed.
There was no dragging the cursor where you wanted to aim even in servers with lag
- Escape moves were good.
-speed was a bonus to an extent.
-flashbangs were amped up
- more player slots .. and thats really all about it.
And easier movement, where you could jump on a poll from any side
On xbox 360 DA was completely laggy in 99% of the games I played. The lag was never reduced even after the game's population died.
Quote from: Farley4Fan on December 10, 2010, 09:57:12 PM
On xbox 360 DA was completely laggy in 99% of the games I played. The lag was never reduced even after the game's population died.
Maybe it was your net?
No I have had a great connection for over 7 years. Never really lagged on PT/CT unless it was a bad host. It was obviously Ubi who fucked it up on consoles because other people I knew had the same amount of lag/bugs.