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Title: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 13, 2011, 11:20:09 PM
So I've never bought a computer off of eBay before and my grandfather is sick and tired of his Pentium 4 that we've had since 2004, I believe.  Now, he doesn't want to spend over 400 bucks on this and he definitely doesn't want a used computer, so I was wondering if I should buy one of those no name customizable ones that are offered on eBay.

My computer currently has an e6850 processor and I wanted to get him something of equal or greater power, so I was looking into the e8400 (and I don't need to overclock anything for him).  I also wonder if I need to get him a dedicated GPU; can he watch 720p movies on his computer without one. I suppose he only needs two GB ram.  I want the computer to feel snappy, but keep in mind, grandpa doesn't game :).

What do you think about something like this one: (note, whatever values you see there weren't set by me, but I would appreciate some help in choosing the right motherboard and other components if, of course, it is prudent to purchase new computers over ebay.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-E8400-DUAL-CORE-2-MINI-TOWER-BAREBONES-SYSTEM-NEW-/370264190659?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item5635772ec3#ht_6740wt_1134
Title: Re: Buying a computer off of Ebay?
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 13, 2011, 11:35:16 PM
Why not build it? Fun experience if you know how to but your grandad doesn't so you can teach him :P

P.S: Imagine your grandpa blasting at COD and talk to kids how he did that at WW2 or whatever :P
Title: Re: Buying a computer off of Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 13, 2011, 11:40:30 PM
Well, if it were for myself, I might have chosen to build it. I just assume that if someone else builds it, who does this all the time, then we will run into less problems. And I don't want my grandpa to complain that we should have gotten some name brand.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off of Ebay?
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 13, 2011, 11:45:47 PM
Alienware is a must! HeyBlinkin you dun goofed! The consequences will never be the same!
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: Farley4Fan on June 13, 2011, 11:56:11 PM
- REDACTED -

... on second thought, that Talladega Nights reference could have been reallly offensive and, as you all know, I have a high level of offensive tolerance...

but who can guess what it was?
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: Zedblade on June 14, 2011, 01:43:15 AM
Why does he need a new computer? If all he does is surf and watch movies, the P4 is just fine. Upgrade the RAM and re install windows, dust and any other maintenance you can think of and I'm sure it will be fine.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 01:48:15 AM
He's worked on my computer and he wants the snappy response time. Even on a freshly installed Windows it feels like the computer constantly hangs longer than he'd like.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: knooger on June 14, 2011, 02:02:48 AM
This PC doesn't have included memory and no brand of power supply = probably crap not power supply.
You can tell in the shop parts that u want and they gonna build it and give u whole case...example.:

AMD Athlon II X3 450
Asus M4A77T
GoodRam 4GB 1333 MHz
Vertex3D Radeon HD 5750 - I think you can replace to something cheaper, since he don't play anything ;P (show him PS haha)
Samsung 500GB F3 ( If you want get bigger )
Samsung SH-223C
Fortron FSP400-60GHN

+PC case that you want.

Quote from: HeyBlinkin. on June 13, 2011, 11:40:30 PM
Well, if it were for myself, I might have chosen to build it. I just assume that if someone else builds it, who does this all the time, then we will run into less problems. And I don't want my grandpa to complain that we should have gotten some name brand.

Print DELL sticker and put it on case :D
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 02:38:47 AM
Thanks for the setup, Krooger, but the motherboard has no integrated video. Any reason why I should go with a dedicated GPU over an integrated one? For instance, will watching 1080p vids on youtube benefit from a dedicated GPU?

I also planned on moving the 80GB EIDE 7200rpm WD into the new computer from the old one. He has plenty external drives for storage but should I instead opt to find this is a SATA version?
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: knooger on June 14, 2011, 03:00:39 AM
Quote from: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 02:38:47 AM
Thanks for the setup, Krooger, but the motherboard has no integrated video. Any reason why I should go with a dedicated GPU over an integrated one? For instance, will watching 1080p vids on youtube benefit from a dedicated GPU?

I also planned on moving the 80GB EIDE 7200rpm WD into the new computer from the old one. He has plenty external drives for storage but should I instead opt to find this is a SATA version?

If you move his old HDD into new PC you gonna just slowdown whole setup, better move important files into new HDD/HDDs
I have never used integrated graphic cards in motherboards, so I cannot tell you how youtube 1080p will work. My Nvidia GPU is working while I'm Watching youtube videos, so I think something cheap should help.

You can replace this card to GeForce 210 512MB or anything else.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 04:33:11 AM
Ok, I am looking at this build over here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Barebones-PC-AMD-Phenom-II-925-X4-QUAD-CORE-Asus-M4A77T-/110694512329?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item19c5e836c9#ht_4716wt_1135

Seems to have a 3 year warranty


Cooler Master Elite 370 Mid Tower Case
550W Heavy Duty TOUGH Series SATA Power Supply
ASUS M4A77T
AMD Athlony II X3 450
Radeon HD 5450 (PowerColor GO! Green) (around $25)
(1) Kingston ValueRAM 2GB DDR31333 (around $21)
(1) WD 500GB 7200rpm 16mb cache SATA 3.0Gb/s (around $44)
(1) LG DVD Burner SATA (around $20)


What do you think? He doesn't need more than 2GB Ram. All four items above the GPU would be bought from the link on Ebay.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: knooger on June 14, 2011, 04:40:51 AM
Quote from: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 04:33:11 AM
Ok, I am looking at this build over here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Barebones-PC-AMD-Phenom-II-925-X4-QUAD-CORE-Asus-M4A77T-/110694512329?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item19c5e836c9#ht_4716wt_1135

Seems to have a 3 year warranty


Cooler Master Elite 370 Mid Tower Case
550W Heavy Duty TOUGH Series SATA Power Supply
ASUS M4A77T
AMD Athlony II X3 450
Radeon HD 5450 (PowerColor GO! Green) (around $25)
(1) Kingston ValueRAM 2GB DDR31333 (around $21)
(1) WD 500GB 7200rpm 16mb cache SATA 3.0Gb/s (around $44)
(1) LG DVD Burner SATA (around $20)


What do you think? He doesn't need more than 2GB Ram. All four items above the GPU would be bought from the link on Ebay.

That's cool, you said that he have a lot of backups mby think about 1TB HDD? I would upgrade to better Antec PSU.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 05:25:46 AM
What about the "Thermaltake TR2 430W Core i7 & Core i5 Ready"?
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: knooger on June 14, 2011, 05:50:51 AM
Quote from: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 05:25:46 AM
What about the "Thermaltake TR2 430W Core i7 & Core i5 Ready"?
Yes, it will be ok + it have 5 years warranty :D

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1172&ID=1541#Tab1 (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1172&ID=1541#Tab1)
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 06:30:57 AM
Looks like the M4A77T is not available, the next cheapest thing is an M4A785-M. Reviews look fine but I just wanted to confirm this one last item prior to my purchase. And thanks for all your input KroogeR
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 14, 2011, 12:43:30 PM
Any reason you're buying it off Ebay and not newegg.com or some local shop?

Warranty on Ebay means nothing. If any part breaks, you're going to have to find the dealer and get him to replace the part (factory won't do shit about it until the dealer-warranty is off), 99,9% of the time, Ebay people simply won't respond and you're stuck with a broken part - I've experienced this myself -.

I really really really recommend you to get the whole PC or the parts from some trusted source with a good warranty handling, it only makes your live easier for only a few bucks more.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 14, 2011, 04:09:06 PM
Thanks a bunch for the heads up. You've convinced me to build it myself.

This is my tentative build:

Cooler Master Elite 371 Mid Tower ATX Case
www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Tower-RC-371-KKN1/dp/B004RJJJW0/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp

Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023

AMD Athlony II X3 450

ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131595

(2) LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner iHAS124-04
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

PowerColor Go! Green AX5450 512MK3-SH Radeon HD 5450 (Cedar) 512MB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131339&cm_re=radeon_5450-_-14-131-339-_-Product

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

PNY XLR8 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model MD4096KD3-1600-X8
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178265


Questions:
Should I buy more case fans or hard drive fans? I have no idea how much I need?

What other accessories do I need to buy? I think I would need just 3 SATA cables for the the 2 optical drives and the hard drive.

Is there a better case? I like this case because it has all the inputs and power button on the top, but can you think of a better alternative?
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 14, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Watch out for not making this way to overpowered for a computer simply used for some desktop work and YouTube. You do not have to worry about airflow that much, as the PC will most likely never reach it's max temps as it would when you heavily game on it.

Think of a build like you would be in a store, it has 2 vents, one of the CPU and one on the back. A small PSU (450W max) with a vent on the outside (not inside). A simple seperate GPU, even an old ATI HD2000/NVidia 9600GT would do just fine.

If it were to be a gaming system, you would want way better parts, for a simple desktop PC, think KISS.

My recommendation:
- Dual Core
- Simple ATI/nVidia
- 2-3GB RAM - More than 3GB requires a 64-bit system
- Windows XP, unless your grandfather is prepared to learn Windows 7

These are close to the specs of my laptop I use for school and I even game on it, it would be more than enough for your grandfather, let alone a PC is much more powerfull than a laptop.

Also don't go brand-horny, a PC you buy in a store most of the time also doesn't have an Antec RAM/Cooler/PSU, but rather some odd never-heard-off Chinese brand. You have to imagine your grandparents don't have that much money, so even 400 euro for a PC is already too much, everywhere where you can reasonably spare money, do so. The only thing I recommend taking a proper brand is your hard-drive (Western Digital FTW - Do NOT go with Seagate/Maxtor, same factory, same sucky quality) and a silent but cheap PSU.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: Wh1tE_Dw4rF on June 14, 2011, 10:30:29 PM
Hopfully your grandfather outlives the 5 year warrenty.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 15, 2011, 05:50:12 AM
Alright, thanks for your input. I've changed some components to reflect what you've said. We'll see how building this thing actually works out.
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 15, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
I would love to see your final build ;D
Title: Re: Buying a computer off Ebay?
Post by: HeyBlinkin. on June 19, 2011, 06:19:12 PM
Final Build

FSP Group AURUM GOLD 400 (AU-400) 400W ATX12V v2.3 /EPS 12V 80PLUS GOLD Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104096

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

HEC 6K28BB8F Black 0.8mm SECC Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121003

ASRock 880GM-LE AM3 AMD 880G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157199

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231275

LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX450WFGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103886

$400

I might have made some 'mistakes' in terms of quality/power (i.e. too powerful or too much money) of the components I bought for my grandfather, but after deliberating with a friend who I trust when it comes to these things I came up with the following final list.  I will give you my rationale for certain parts I chose and I would appreciate your opinion to help me in choosing parts for any future computer builds.


The PSU was about $75 bucks for a 400W which seems like a lot of money for that power, but he told me that its gold plus certification maintains the best efficiency and should eventually pay for itself in terms of electric bills. How true do you think this is? 

Although I had originally chosen a 500GB WD, This 1TB Samsung was highly recommended to me and went for the same price as the 500GB, so I chose it instead. 

The motherboard I had trouble picking mostly because I still don't understand what features each one has over another and which of these features are actually of importance to me.  I just picked this one because it seemed to have everything I needed and few specific problems as opposed to the Biostart I was looking at before.

I probably could have gotten cheaper and equally powerful RAM.  I think I should have looked more at those offered with rebates.

The CPU I was the one Knooger had chosen originally for me.

So Lennard, where do you think I went wrong/right and thanks again for the heads-up on buying a computer from eBay :)