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Title: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 19, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
I want to remind you guys about some things regarding applauding/smiting. As you can read here: http://community.projectstealthgame.com/forums/index.php?topic=2951.msg61203, karma has been added to the forums just a few days ago and I am already seeing forms of abuse (Dread being in -22 and Agent being in +17). I would like to remind you guys, as stated in the aforementioned topic, that ANY form of abuse will result in a global server ban (and also a ban in-game once PS is released). We can see exactly who gave who an applaud/smite on which topic.

Other than that, I feel the karma-option should be disabled in the off-topic section, as it should represent how you are in the serious topics, not the non-sense ones.

Lennard
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Tidenburg on June 19, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
The only options I see are to remove it or deal with it.

We can't spam applauds/smites because it's 1 per day. If I see someone make a post that's stupid, I smite them. No offence to dread, but does it really surprise you, Lennard, that 22 people have seen a stupid post of his and smited it?  :o

Also, I think a serverwide ban for what is essentially a number which means nothing is pretty harsh. Especially as what is 'abuse', ie worth smiting and not worth smiting, is completely subjective. |:
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Spark Mandriller on June 19, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
I think real abuse would be telling people they can't approve of/dislike Agent/Dread.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 19, 2011, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: Tidenburg on June 19, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
The only options I see are to remove it or deal with it.

We can't spam applauds/smites because it's 1 per day. If I see someone make a post that's stupid, I smite them. No offence to dread, but does it really surprise you, Lennard, that 22 people have seen a stupid post of his and smited it?  :o

Also, I think a serverwide ban for what is essentially a number which means nothing is pretty harsh. Especially as what is 'abuse', ie worth smiting and not worth smiting, is completely subjective. |:

A) It's 1 hour
B) Agent posts just the same amount of crap as me if you look at it from your perspective, not to mention how many times he got bashed by the developers themselves, so by your point of view, his smite count should be over 9000.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 19, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
It does not surprise me, as Dread did make stupid posts in the past. Just find it questionable that agent has +17, as most of the time you guys just laugh into his face when it comes to his punctuation-less near-unreadable posts.

Just a general warning as the topic where frvge mentioned this, seems to be removed.

@Sullen Plummet: On the contrary, I love the karma system as it affects peoples e-penises, with -22 on Dread, it gives him stuff to think about. I even think the ratio should be calculated so you can try to keep a ratio above 1.0 :P Almost like a private torrent tracker, yay.

@Dread: you can give 1 karma/hour (no matter who you give it to), but 1 karma/per person per 24 hour.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Spark Mandriller on June 19, 2011, 03:21:50 PM
Y'know, it's fine for you to love the karma system, but threatening to permaban people from the game for abusing just because you don't think Agent could really be that popular is kinda weird. And scary.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 19, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: Sullen Plummet on June 19, 2011, 03:21:50 PM
Y'know, it's fine for you to love the karma system, but threatening to permaban people from the game for abusing just because you don't think Agent could really be that popular is kinda weird. And scary.
As said, it's a warning in general and it wasn't meant to be threatening, if you smite/applaud like Tidenburg says there is nothing to be afraid about and you shouldn't even feel threatened as that's not abusive behavior. With abusive behavior you should think about having smurf-accounts to smite/applaud people/yourself. We also never said anything about perma-banning, the server ban is just an inconvenience coming from the fact we'll only have one server to do PS stuff (including the serverlist).

A better option than karma, would be "reputation", as they do on the Steam forums. You can only go up, never down. If you have 0 reputation, it simply means not a lot of people agree with your statements.

Ze link: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1129
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 19, 2011, 03:48:53 PM
(Plus) even if it was a perma-ban, it will make people think twice, I got banned once for 3 days it wasn't pretty :P


P.S:


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Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Tidenburg on June 19, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
What you just described, Dread, was post-weight. Post weight sucks because it means people with unpopular opinions just get really bad ratings. Karma is (or is at least meant to be) an indication of a user's post quality overall.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 19, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Maybe make a somekind of an option and tag it as an opinion? I know it may sound dumb that the community will have to tag their posts as what it is because apparantely a lot of people in here can't distinguish an opinion from a fact.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: frvge on June 19, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
Tidenburg is correct.
You can say that posts make up quality for the user, but I want to stimulate users making quality posts. So that's the other way around. In the end, the post quality should increase (unless the average user doesn't mind having a negative karma).
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...

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Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 19, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
He hasnt LOOOL! I OWNED HIM!
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: frvge on June 19, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
And dread got owned again. Harhar
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 19, 2011, 07:08:29 PM
Make a coding, if you smite Frvgeministrators or Production Team you get a smite back 10 times more.

FRVGE SMITED CRONKY!
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: CurdyMilk on June 19, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...
Of course he is popular, but something fishy is going on with this karma system!  I think we should introduce a new system.  The whole point is to improve the quality of each post.  In my opinion, we should allow each community member to rate the quality of each post on a scale of 1 to 5.  Then each person is given an average number based upon how people rate their posts.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 19, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on June 19, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...
Of course he is popular, but something fishy is going on with this karma system!  I think we should introduce a new system.  The whole point is to improve the quality of each post.  In my opinion, we should allow each community member to rate the quality of each post on a scale of 1 to 5.  Then each person is given an average number based upon how people rate their posts.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!! QQ
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: VenomousNinja on June 19, 2011, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: LennardF1989 on June 19, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
Agent being in +17

You've failed me, Project Stealth...
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 19, 2011, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on June 19, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...
Of course he is popular, but something fishy is going on with this karma system!  I think we should introduce a new system.  The whole point is to improve the quality of each post.  In my opinion, we should allow each community member to rate the quality of each post on a scale of 1 to 5.  Then each person is given an average number based upon how people rate their posts.
I would actually like this better.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: NeoSuperior on June 19, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
Is the limit of "Karma" you can give limited by accounts or by IPs?
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: VenomousNinja on June 19, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on June 19, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...
Of course he is popular, but something fishy is going on with this karma system!  I think we should introduce a new system.  The whole point is to improve the quality of each post.  In my opinion, we should allow each community member to rate the quality of each post on a scale of 1 to 5.  Then each person is given an average number based upon how people rate their posts.

There's something like this on another forum I go to. Each posts carries with it a like button, and once you click it, your name is displayed underneath the post as a person who 'liked' it. It seems to encourage high-quality posts.

Also when I said something like this, I meant not like it at all, really.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Farley4Fan on June 19, 2011, 11:03:51 PM
I would lawl if the applaud/smite system was somehow the downfall of Project Stealth in general.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: frvge on June 19, 2011, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on June 19, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...
Of course he is popular, but something fishy is going on with this karma system!  I think we should introduce a new system.  The whole point is to improve the quality of each post.  In my opinion, we should allow each community member to rate the quality of each post on a scale of 1 to 5.  Then each person is given an average number based upon how people rate their posts.

BTW, I cheated and gave myself OVER 9000 (9001 to be exact) for the fun of it. D'oh. Then again, I worked a couple of hours to remove all the spambots. Got 700 down who had a spammy website. Will run an IP-based check on all members in a couple of days.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: AgentX_003 on June 20, 2011, 12:16:53 AM
Quote from: frvge on June 19, 2011, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: CurdyMilk on June 19, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Cronky on June 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Frvge's karma...
Of course he is popular, but something fishy is going on with this karma system!  I think we should introduce a new system.  The whole point is to improve the quality of each post.  In my opinion, we should allow each community member to rate the quality of each post on a scale of 1 to 5.  Then each person is given an average number based upon how people rate their posts.

BTW, I cheated and gave myself OVER 9000 (9001 to be exact) for the fun of it. D'oh. Then again, I worked a couple of hours to remove all the spambots. Got 700 down who had a spammy website. Will run an IP-based check on all members in a couple of days.

it's about time those bots got the iron boot :/
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Tidenburg on June 20, 2011, 12:22:19 AM
Frvge must now ban himself for abusing the karma system ;)
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 20, 2011, 12:55:01 AM
Loal, someone's definitely going to get a perma-ban, -33 on me, and +25 for Agent xD Loaaaaal!
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Cronky on June 21, 2011, 12:07:07 AM
...WHAT A TWIST!!
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: VenomousNinja on June 21, 2011, 12:24:36 AM
This makes me so happy.

You have no idea.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: CurdyMilk on June 21, 2011, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Cronky on June 21, 2011, 12:07:07 AM
...WHAT A TWIST!!
I like this new karma better!  Dread is back at 0?  Frvge must be giving him a fair chance since people were unfair to him with the old one.   ;)   
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: frvge on June 21, 2011, 12:29:22 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: VenomousNinja on June 21, 2011, 01:34:54 AM
Frvge, your karma, it's...
It's...
IT'S OVER NINE-THOUSANDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: SteveTheCookie on June 21, 2011, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: VenomousNinja on June 21, 2011, 01:34:54 AM
Frvge, your karma, it's...
It's...
IT'S OVER NINE-THOUSANDDDDDDDD
WHAT, NINE THOUSAND!?!? ...There's no way that could be right!
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Spark Mandriller on June 21, 2011, 01:59:20 AM
do you guys really have to start with the half decade old memes?

i mean fuck
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Cronky on June 21, 2011, 02:12:16 AM
Quote from: Sullen Plummet on June 21, 2011, 01:59:20 AM
do you guys really have to start with the half decade old memes?

i mean fuck

Yeah, who would do something dumb like that

*looks back at the first page of this thread*

...
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Farley4Fan on June 21, 2011, 03:58:13 AM
Cronky was the first one to point it out, but Frvge made his karma 9000.  Perma-ban for Frvge?  Frvge, if we voted to ban you for acting old would you do it?
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: frvge on June 21, 2011, 09:21:22 AM
Correction: 9001. Else it's not OVER 9000.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Farley4Fan on June 21, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
Ok then, new goal for the community.  Get frvge's karma UNDER 9000 for the sake of keeping up with the times.  Will try again in an hour.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 21, 2011, 10:34:01 AM
Uuuuh.....I wouldn't advise it Farley...I really...really...would not...because Frvge likes cookies...and he will use them to delete the interwebz... which will create a chemical reaction causing it to counter-attack and create a big boom. And that will make us sad...make macs look even crappier, then you won't be able to use them. And then you will lose the game.

Your soul is on a journey. Karmic situations in which you find yourself today are both your soul's mirror and travel guide of Karma.

It's true, nearly tenth of all people don't believe in it. If at the times it's hard to live, believe in Karma for a while.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: puuusianka on June 21, 2011, 05:19:18 PM
I feel offended by my karma... It's so deep that I decided not to think about it.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 21, 2011, 07:59:34 PM
Frvge is under 9000 :) We won :D
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: zglina on June 21, 2011, 11:14:07 PM
Wtf Agent have bigger karma than dread....weird
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 21, 2011, 11:38:13 PM
Could not give a damn, I talk to people who know me well enough. (You know who you are.)
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: LennardF1989 on June 22, 2011, 02:15:58 PM
Your "Banned" avatar confused me for a moment.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 22, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
It confuses me more, the fact that I just had a reset on my Karma, and yet I haven't even said anything on the forum for a while that can be counted as trolling, and yet I still get minuses xD
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Farley4Fan on June 22, 2011, 10:28:19 PM
Maybe it's a sign that people miss the trolling and that you should do it more often?
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 22, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: Farley4Fan on June 22, 2011, 10:28:19 PM
Maybe it's a sign that people miss the trolling and that you should do it more often?

Why? So in the end people will PM me and say "I stopped taking you seriously. <Logs off Xfire>" Agent style? No waaaay.

The developers on this Project have helped me out 20% of the time on my Entertainment Design area, to get on a wrong path with them will just get me shot in a foot.

(And yes, big thank you to you guys)
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Farley4Fan on June 22, 2011, 10:47:55 PM
lol

i was jk

but i think the main thing is that you don't worry about karma unless you join me in my holy smite war against basically everyone.  HEATHENS!  But just know that joining me won't make you less of a target. 

My hate has to be equally distributed.   :-\
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: DreadStunLock on June 22, 2011, 11:09:47 PM
I love you so much :) x
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: Spekkio on June 30, 2011, 02:39:16 AM
Banning people from a game because of their reputation on a forum is fucking stupid.

Banning people because you don't like their karma votes is fucking stupid.

If you think that karma is being abused, then remove it. Otherwise, just accept the fact that dred is probably just fucking stupid.

Posting a "warning" or "threat" or whatever you want to call it that there are negative consequences for giving dred - karma and agent + karma is fucking stupid.

At the end of the day, who fucking cares? It's just a number next to your name.
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: VenomousNinja on June 30, 2011, 05:17:42 AM
Quote from: DreadStunlock on June 22, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: Farley4Fan on June 22, 2011, 10:28:19 PM
Maybe it's a sign that people miss the trolling and that you should do it more often?

Why? So in the end people will PM me and say "I stopped taking you seriously. <Logs off Xfire>" Agent style? No waaaay.


Heh, I did this to agent once.

Or maybe twice...
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: puuusianka on July 04, 2011, 05:48:19 PM
This thread is hilarious! Let's keep it up. I was the one to smite Frvge when he had 9000 because the ancient scripts that I uncovered lately foretold that if one ever reaches the 9000 Karma the beast of octagonX will recreate its heart and the dark age will come upon the PS community. We have to continue the mission of destroying the heart of octagon beast! There is also a prediction of the bretheren and betrayer whose karma should stay in complete balance of 0 otherwise he'll take control over the PS. I am making an investigation on that and I think I reached the final suspect! You don't have to thank me for opening your eyes, I am here to save the community!
Title: Re: [General] Applauding/Smiting
Post by: NeoSuperior on July 04, 2011, 06:14:28 PM
Quote from: puuusianka on July 04, 2011, 05:48:19 PM
This thread is hilarious! Let's keep it up. I was the one to smite Frvge when he had 9000 because the ancient scripts that I uncovered lately foretold that if one ever reaches the 9000 Karma the beast of octagonX will recreate its heart and the dark age will come upon the PS community. We have to continue the mission of destroying the heart of octagon beast! There is also a prediction of the bretheren and betrayer whose karma should stay in complete balance of 0 otherwise he'll take control over the PS. I am making an investigation on that and I think I reached the final suspect! You don't have to thank me for opening your eyes, I am here to save the community!

Frvge's Karma... it's... it's... oh... just 8999? pfft and i almost thought it was >9000 again but it doesn't seem so.

Well since my karma is +1 (when i wrote this post) and because otherwise i would have taken over PS already, i am not the one who you are talking about...

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