Y/N
I think this was answered before and I'll try to recall exactly what was said:
-Project Stealth will only be open source if Epic decided they wanted to use it for an educational purpose. Unless that happens, then no, it wont be open source. One reason is because it would make cheating far more easier on the game.(Whether or not this is true is beyond me, and other reasons are VERY much a reality in this decision, but I don't know what they would be. This is just what I remember reading)
Edit:: Here's an answer from Frvge and Lennard from another topic:
Quote from: frvge on January 06, 2011, 05:48:58 PM
If we get asked by Epic Games for educational purposes of UDK, yes.
Generally (for now), no. But if you're interested in how we did a certain thing, you're free to ask.
Quote from: LennardF1989 on January 06, 2011, 08:04:50 PM
No.
As for the code, the reason it won't be open source is actually quite straight forward: We made A LOT of custom code and only rely on our own subsystems, this means we are not using the following:
- Epics Input system
- Epics Weapon system
- Epics Network code
- Epics Animation system (partly, at least)
- etc...
Basically everything is custom which took a lot of time to create and think out and we (read: I) therefor don't want it to be out in the open just like that. Giving away the editor alone is already a hazard, as it would easily allow everyone to steal our hand-made assets (again, which took a lot of time).
So, yes, it's basically a matter of stealing and why UDK isn't open-source (moneeeehh). If you are interested in anything specific I am more than happy to explain you how it works and give you snippets where possible, but don't expect me to give you code which I could sell (yes, you read that right) as a framework easily.
Without the source, modding something as custom as ours is mostly likely impossible as you will need reference/documentation. Besides, in UE2 it was impossible to compile code when the U files had their code stripped out (which we did) and I'm sure that's still the case for UE3.
1+ To not be open source.
Quote from: AgentX_003 on August 11, 2011, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: DreadStunlock on August 11, 2011, 08:59:39 PM
1+ To not be open source.
agreed
+1 To seeing dread/agent becoming besties
OT-what are the odds of Epic contacting you about becoming open source in the off chance that PS is amazing?
Quote from: Farley4Fan on August 11, 2011, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: AgentX_003 on August 11, 2011, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: DreadStunlock on August 11, 2011, 08:59:39 PM
1+ To not be open source.
agreed
+1 To seeing dread/agent becoming besties
OT-what are the odds of Epic contacting you about becoming open source in the off chance that PS is amazing?
I thought that was too, until the recent match on CT, he hates me even more without realising it was me X(
Back on topic.
Quote from: Farley4Fan on August 11, 2011, 09:17:42 PMOT-what are the odds of Epic contacting you about becoming open source in the off chance that PS is amazing?
More likely, that they decide to make it "their own" and make it "shareware"... Test it for 30 days then you can buy it for 30 €/$/... or SFR :D *looking at stock market*
nah seriously... be happy that it's freeware. Don't demand more, or you will get the opposite^^
Well...
I really want to see the source.
I guess I'll have to find some way to weasel myself into the Dev Team.
Quote from: VenomousNinja on August 11, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
Well...
I really want to see the source.
I guess I'll have to find some way to weasel myself into the Dev Team.
way to say that out loud junior ??? . I think that's great that project stealth isn't falling into that vice as some other companies have done o_o
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ .... theres the clue ... a little forum hangman if you will =/.
Quote from: DreadStunlock on August 11, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
I thought that was too, until the recent match on CT, he hates me even more without realising it was me X(
Back on topic.
But, he didn't realize it was you- and smurfing Agent isn't the best way to become best friends with him. He has an inexplicable hate for people who change their names. Try giving him a glazed donut. Someone once gave me one, and I ended up giving her my babies (which is the greatest gift I can give).
Quote from: AgentX_003 on August 11, 2011, 09:56:17 PM
I think that's great that project stealth isn't falling into that vice as some other companies have done o_o
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ .... theres the clue ... a little forum hangman if you will =/.
Buisoft?
What is Buisoft Agent? Quit making up companies.
Shut up Farley, I will own you on Baguelfield 3 which was made by Mice company >:(
Quote from: AgentX_003 on August 11, 2011, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: VenomousNinja on August 11, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
Well...
I really want to see the source.
I guess I'll have to find some way to weasel myself into the Dev Team.
way to say that out loud junior ??? . I think that's great that project stealth isn't falling into that vice as some other companies have done o_o
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ .... theres the clue ... a little forum hangman if you will =/.
I have no idea what you're talking about when you speak of this 'vice'.
Alright, what about a license which allows using the code for non-commercial purposes?
This way, you still get the money while the code is public.
I think Frvge mentioned something, if the Project Stealth will live up to it's quality, the Epic might give them a chance to publish their source code to schools and etc to use. But selling/giving away source, I really hope it's not going to happen.
As well as, from most of the people in this community, there is fuck all you will be able to do with the whole Project Stealth source.
Quote from: DreadStunlock on October 08, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
I think Frvge mentioned something, if the Project Stealth will live up to it's quality, the Epic might give them a chance to publish their source code to schools and etc to use. But selling/giving away source, I really hope it's not going to happen.
As well as, from most of the people in this community, there is fuck all you will be able to do with the whole Project Stealth source.
Well like the ole saying goes; it's better to be safe then sorry.
Quote from: DreadStunlock on October 08, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
I think Frvge mentioned something, if the Project Stealth will live up to it's quality, the Epic might give them a chance to publish their source code to schools and etc to use. But selling/giving away source, I really hope it's not going to happen.
As well as, from most of the people in this community, there is fuck all you will be able to do with the whole Project Stealth source.
The thing frvge (and lennard) said is in my response up above by the way. (1st response) ;)
Quote from: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on October 08, 2011, 12:54:02 PM
Alright, what about a license which allows using the code for non-commercial purposes?
This way, you still get the money while the code is public.
I'm not sure if I'm reading your post right, but if what I read from the forum was right it was that PS can not be sold for money. Donations... might work, but they can't directly sell PS because of the license they're using with the Unreal Engine.
So really the only thing that can happen with the source code is either they (the PS Team) decide to let it out to the public, or not. Even if they let out the code as you said, you'd just be under 2 levels of "you can't make money from this even if you wanted to".
Quote from: DreadStunlock on October 08, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
As well as
I'm not one to complain about the little things, because God knows how convenient the life of the current man really is (in developed countries, at least).
But dude, you're using these words the wrong way. "As well as" can never really start a new sentence - except for the way that I just did it.
Much <3 :)
As well as the states of developed countries are, I feel like they pay their grammar police more than is needed.
If they paid me anything I would have mentioned it the 12th or 13th time he said it that way. lmao
I can't just stand by and watch something get butchered (the English language included)...
Quote from: Cronky on October 08, 2011, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: DreadStunlock on October 08, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
I think Frvge mentioned something, if the Project Stealth will live up to it's quality, the Epic might give them a chance to publish their source code to schools and etc to use. But selling/giving away source, I really hope it's not going to happen.
As well as, from most of the people in this community, there is fuck all you will be able to do with the whole Project Stealth source.
The thing frvge (and lennard) said is in my response up above by the way. (1st response) ;)
Quote from: Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet on October 08, 2011, 12:54:02 PM
Alright, what about a license which allows using the code for non-commercial purposes?
This way, you still get the money while the code is public.
I'm not sure if I'm reading your post right, but if what I read from the forum was right it was that PS can not be sold for money. Donations... might work, but they can't directly sell PS because of the license they're using with the Unreal Engine.
So really the only thing that can happen with the source code is either they (the PS Team) decide to let it out to the public, or not. Even if they let out the code as you said, you'd just be under 2 levels of "you can't make money from this even if you wanted to".
Umm then Why are games like The Haunted able to do so ? , It was using the Unreal 3 engine o_o... and not UDK to my
knowledge , same thing with the Mod the ball ,now on sale on steam :/
Agent... I have no clue. I only go on what I read here in terms of selling the game. There was some topic where Frvge or someone said that selling it would not be possible because of the license they are using with the Unreal Engine. Don't remember the exact why, but it seemed like that was the reason that the Devs aren't putting a price tag on this game.
That or they just REALLY like us and want to give it away for free.
I thought Unreal Engine 3, was basically UDK with source code? You get the source code once you purchase a license?
I am so confused. >.<
We are able to sell. The question is: will we? And if yes, for how much and through which channels. Team hasn't reached consensus yet and won't until we have a good beta out.
Well there's the legit answer.
I do remember reading that it was not being able to be sold somewhere on the forum. Was that when it was a Mod, or am I just dumb?
Mostly the first ;)
Oh you.... ::)
I thought it was because you guys were scared of copyright issues.
I don't know the exact reasoning anymore.