Project Stealth

If you vote for a new gadget or "other" please post an idea or explanation.

I've voted "Restrict Visions + Optical Camo invisible to Cameras" because it seems like the only viable solution to removing a gadget from the mercs arsenal entirely. But I'm going to add that I voted this because I'm in favor of a more general "Nerf Camnet in some more and give it a counter" solution.

After all this discussion I think that this gadget should be taken away. IMO mercs should not be able to know where the spies are and often is that its very difficult to hide from camnet's sight.
I like the idea of implementing new gadget but at this stage I cant say what could it be.
Perhaps some kind of 3rd spy trap.

Im also sure that when you nerf the camnet it will become useless so its better to remove it completely and add something new.

Voted for new gadget, but I, too, have trouble thinking of something good. EDIT: I cross-posted this on SClamers since a lot of the people there don't read these forums.

It's a shame they don't read this.

I vote for the thing I said in the other thread but everyone ignored. Make the camnet camera blink 3 seconds before being activated so the spy has a chance to hide but non-attentive spies get seen.

Check my solution. :)

Overkill. Camnet wasn't that bad in CT.

Edit: Might work if it didn't take up a gadget slot like you suggested.

Quote from: Overstatement on November 07, 2007, 09:13:18 PM
I vote for the thing I said in the other thread but everyone ignored. Make the camnet camera blink 3 seconds before being activated so the spy has a chance to hide but non-attentive spies get seen.

I was going to suggest this yesterday, or maybe make an loud start-up noise to emulate the camera coming to life.

Looks like goodkebab finally voted  ;D.

Why not the  drone ?(replace camnet)  ;D
I see not which object can replace camnet :/
VOTE NÃ,°2 for me  :P

a drone would be an interesting idea.

A drone would be too much of a rip-off of DA (and it was lame anyway.)

I vote for a new gadget that is similar to the spies sticky cam in that you either throw it or shoot it out of you're gun. You have 3 of them that you can shoot anywhere you want. Then you have to look through it through a special Merc console in the Merc's spawn or place somewhere strategically. The 3 cameras have all the functions of all the visions, have a mini-flashlight and laser. and you can switch through them in any order.

The camera's themselves are bigger then a sticky camera, but not as big as the cam-net cameras in CT. If a spy finds it, he can shoot it out with his sticky shocker and the Merc won't know it's out unless he check's the console and notices one is gone.

Also a spy can find the console and hack it. He can either disable all of the camera's at the same time OR jack into the system itself. Meaning the Merc's can still use it, but the spies can use it as well.

The console itself could either be a pre-placed prop that is always there OR, its originally in the level, but a merc can pick it up and move it around when he wants.

Of course, it all comes down to actual testing, so what sounds right on text doesn't mean it will work in game. It's a balancing act.

Which means, it doesn't matter what wins this poll, if we test it and it just doesn't work, we will scrap it and try something else.

I like Zed's idea of a new gadget similar to a spycam.

I voted "new gadget" also.

Quote from: Zedblade on November 08, 2007, 02:00:48 AMOf course, it all comes down to actual testing, so what sounds right on text doesn't mean it will work in game. It's a balancing act.

Which means, it doesn't matter what wins this poll, if we test it and it just doesn't work, we will scrap it and try something else.

QFE.

I voted "other"

I would like to see camnet just gone altogether. There are plenty of security failures to give you an idea of where the spy might be.

If there had to be another choice: I would say Zed's idea with a few refinements. I think both mercs should get 1 cam to shoot out, and they automatically have it (aka doesn't use up a slot [unless there are 5 slots]).  I don't think there should be 3. 1/merc is just fine. They both can shot 1 out, communicate with each other, and they can protect other areas knowing they have cams down in other areas.

People need to learn how to vote. Westfall, you shouldn't have voted "other," you should've voted for the option that says to get rid of camnet and replace it since that's what your post basically says you would support. Zed's Idea isn't a "new gadget." It constitutes as "other" because it's basically camnet with a huge re-work. I wouldn't mind an actively placed camnet, but security booths are lame. How many times do you actually GO into the hologram room in River Mall? That's what a booth would be like. Booths could work if camnet were a gimme, but if it's gonna take up a slot you shouldn't have to travel to a booth to use it. That's just overkill.

SClamers poll is heavily in favor of option 2: http://sclamers.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1531

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

I also think booth idea is terrible

Quote from: Spekkio on November 08, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

I still like the idea, and I think most people lack the imagination to see how it could work and not just work, but work well... /shrug

Just because people don't like the idea doesn't mean it sucks. The HBS was considered a sucky useless gadget too. Look at how many people were wrong and have found out how useful it is.

On the flip side of that, if people hate the idea and there are other options then it would be silly to implement the idea people don't like.

I just happen to disagree with you, I'm not a fool  ;)

Quote from: B1nArY_001 on November 08, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
it would be silly to implement the idea people don't like.

No it wouldn't be. It would make the game ALOT less predictable, since merc's would have not only counter the effects of the gadget (whatever it is), but also the way it works.

The river mall holo thing is not what the booth thing would be like.  Say there are little consoles in the walls scattered around the map.  THat doesn't necessarily mean they are far away from objectives.  In a map like river mall there would be a booth on each side of the room on top.  You have to take a keycard to access these booths, which would take up a slot.  With 5 slots I don't see it being a problem.  Or you just give the keycard permanently to mercs.   Downside to Booth Security Cam thing is that you can't control the cameras and you can't just look through cameras anywhere you want to.  The upside is being able to see through cameras and see chokepoints on the maps without actually having to be there.

This will fix camnet camping because spies will know that they are on one of the booths if they see an activated cam.  It will also fix it because mercs can't just go find a nice corner and just sit there, their backs will be exposed.

If you have ever watched an NFL game you will know what I am talking about booths.  When they review plays they go check and see what happened in a booth.  Of course these booths should look a little more high tech though...

Quote from: Spekkio on November 08, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
People need to learn how to vote. Westfall, you shouldn't have voted "other," you should've voted for the option that says to get rid of camnet and replace it since that's what your post basically says you would support. Zed's Idea isn't a "new gadget." It constitutes as "other" because it's basically camnet with a huge re-work. I wouldn't mind an actively placed camnet, but security booths are lame. How many times do you actually GO into the hologram room in River Mall? That's what a booth would be like. Booths could work if camnet were a gimme, but if it's gonna take up a slot you shouldn't have to travel to a booth to use it. That's just overkill.

SClamers poll is heavily in favor of option 2: http://sclamers.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1531

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

Actually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other." Want to know the chances of that happening? Nadda, because everyone likes the POS that is camnet. Therefore, I expressed the alternative (Zed's idea), which you just happen to say is STILL under the "other" category. I don't know how you're going to tell me I voted wrong when you actually contradict yourself.

yes, some of the vote options overlap themselves, you all need to get over your ego

also, the camnet/security cam implementation idea is a good idea, and binary hit the nail on the head when he said a lack of imagination killed it. the people who didn't like the idea took the liberty of explaining how it would work and therefore disregarded it as an option. to work, it could not be just like the security cam... and... well w/e... //shrug

Quote from: Spekkio on November 08, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
People need to learn how to vote. Westfall, you shouldn't have voted "other," you should've voted for the option that says to get rid of camnet and replace it since that's what your post basically says you would support. Zed's Idea isn't a "new gadget." It constitutes as "other" because it's basically camnet with a huge re-work. I wouldn't mind an actively placed camnet, but security booths are lame. How many times do you actually GO into the hologram room in River Mall? That's what a booth would be like. Booths could work if camnet were a gimme, but if it's gonna take up a slot you shouldn't have to travel to a booth to use it. That's just overkill.

SClamers poll is heavily in favor of option 2: http://sclamers.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1531

@B1nary,

Come on, you can admit it now: the integrating camnet with security cam idea sucked.

No it's a new gadget. Don't tell me what my idea is. The camnet is gone, replaced by a NEW gadget the merc's place themselves and a NEW gadget that they look through.

And 'security consoles.' are not lame, they are in now way like the hologram in mall. They all small self-contained computer consoles that will be in strategic areas. Some maps could have one, some could have 9. OR, they could be picked up and moved by the merc.

Like I said before, doesn't really matter what wins this poll, it's about what works, not what seems cool or lame on text.

I think that security booths would be cool, realistic, and balance out the camnet.

QuoteActually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other."

So then clearly you need to learn to read. Option 4 clearly states "discard the idea entirely (hint: "the idea" refers to camnet) and replace it with another gadget."

QuoteNo it's a new gadget. Don't tell me what my idea is. The camnet is gone, replaced by a NEW gadget the merc's place themselves and a NEW gadget that they look through.

Really? And what would you call this network of cams that the mercs are setting up and looking through? When it boils down to it, your idea is still camnet. It's a drastically different camnet, but camnet nonetheless.

Quote from: Spekkio on November 09, 2007, 01:58:03 AM

QuoteActually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other."

So then clearly you need to learn to read. Option 4 clearly states "discard the idea entirely (hint: "the idea" refers to camnet) and replace it with another gadget."

QuoteNo it's a new gadget. Don't tell me what my idea is. The camnet is gone, replaced by a NEW gadget the merc's place themselves and a NEW gadget that they look through.

Really? And what would you call this network of cams that the mercs are setting up and looking through? When it boils down to it, your idea is still camnet. It's a drastically different camnet, but camnet nonetheless.

Hmm,

Lets see, I disregarded the idea of pre-placed cameras scattered through the map, that the merc would look through using his wrist view port entirely and created a new gadget that would allow the merc more accessible options in the placement of the cameras and the view port, but also give the spies the ability to use it in their favor.

How can you disregard the idea of camnet entirely while still making a new gadget that is completely different from CT's camnet but is still isn't basically a form of camnet? You can't.

Unless maybe you give the merc's little jetpacks that allows them to fly high in the sky and look down with binoculars.

OR..

Give the merc's a satellite high in the sky that can zoom all the way down and through buildings, detecting motion and heat signatures throughout the whole map, but can't pinpoint exact locations and only see's moving outlines or only dots...

okay that wasn't that bad of a idea.

Still, it's still technically a camnet...kinda.

the poll isn't all that clear and it doesn't really matter what is chosen. The one with the most votes will be 'researched and tested' first, but that doesn't mean it's going to stay in the game.

Spekkio, you're being an ass bro. Chill out with the always needing to be right or take it elsewhere. It's rude, annoying and childish.

The only reason I made the poll was to get an idea of what the community would like to see. We will of course do our best to make it work but I believe everyone here is intelligent enough to realize that what they want to see may not be workable and the mod might be better off with something else. I'm also sure they have the maturity to accept that without pissing and moaning like a 5 year old. Can you say the same Spekkio? Or will you continue to act as if you have something to prove?

I know I'm being just as much of an ass at the moment but quite frankly, I'm fucking fed up with your ass.

It's bad enough that you are sarcastic and rude but you are constantly talking down to people and cutting them down. If you were physically capable, you would be a bully. Have a little self respect.

Quote from: Spekkio on November 09, 2007, 01:58:03 AM

QuoteActually, I voted correctly. I don't want camnet in PS. So this qualifies as "other."

So then clearly you need to learn to read. Option 4 clearly states "discard the idea entirely (hint: "the idea" refers to camnet) and replace it with another gadget."

Then it was not clearly stated because it was confusing to an individual. This has absolutely nothing to do with my "reading ability" as you so boldly state. Option 4 does not clearly state shit until you give me "the hint." And trust me, its not because I'm an ignorant moron. Rather, you believe that I just up and know what you're talking about. Let me know when that time of the month has passed.

QuoteLets see, I disregarded the idea of pre-placed cameras scattered through the map, that the merc would look through using his wrist view port entirely and created a new gadget that would allow the merc more accessible options in the placement of the cameras and the view port, but also give the spies the ability to use it in their favor.

How can you disregard the idea of camnet entirely while still making a new gadget that is completely different from CT's camnet but is still isn't basically a form of camnet? You can't.

You just contradicted yourself. You're admitting that your gadget is still a form of camnet. That means that you should not have voted for "discard the idea entirely," as you are just trying to re-do camnet.

QuoteGive the merc's a satellite high in the sky that can zoom all the way down and through buildings, detecting motion and heat signatures throughout the whole map, but can't pinpoint exact locations and only see's moving outlines or only dots...

Haha...that sounds like that cool gun from Perfect Dark. Only problem is it turned the game into a camp fest just trying to snipe everyone through the map.

QuoteThen it was not clearly stated because it was confusing to an individual.

You and zed seem to be the only ones confused, since 22 other people knew what it meant. That's clear enough where you should've understood it. Doesn't really matter because you and zed's stupidity cancel each other out in the final poll numbers anyway.

Quotequite frankly, I'm fucking fed up with your ass.

Sucks to be you then.

QuoteIt's bad enough that you are sarcastic and rude but you are constantly talking down to people and cutting them down. If you were physically capable, you would be a bully.

Don't cry because your integrated camnet/security cam idea sucked *hands you a tissue.* Btw, I'm glad that you equate calling out stupidity with being a bully. That's a very smart comparison.

This is the 2nd topic this week in which ppl flame each other instead of talking politely. Seriously thought that this forum is different from others...

Neth, there comes a point when one gets tired of sifting through retarded epeen bullshit. I get sick of watching someone try to prove they are somehow superior. If he loathes himself so much he has to resort to constantly cutting people down to feel better about himself and I have to see it then I'm going to call him out on it. If I could just simply ignore him, I would but I have to read the forums to see what kind of ideas/feedback the community is coming up with.

If by second you are including the little pissing match between Westfall and Zedblade, don't pay them any mind. They have been like that as long as I have known them (First played with them about 2-3 years ago I think). They just enjoy slamming each other  8)

Edit: Spek, I didn't call you stupid (You were the one calling people stupid in your last post. Not me.) and this has absolutely nothing to do with the camnet ideas, as long as we implement something that is balanced and works I don't really care what it is. The only reason I don't just ignore you is you are not stupid and produce some good feedback. I'm not so petty as to discard ideas and feedback just because it comes from someone who is constantly being an ass.

Quote from: Spekkio on November 09, 2007, 02:11:31 PM

QuoteLets see, I disregarded the idea of pre-placed cameras scattered through the map, that the merc would look through using his wrist view port entirely and created a new gadget that would allow the merc more accessible options in the placement of the cameras and the view port, but also give the spies the ability to use it in their favor.

How can you disregard the idea of camnet entirely while still making a new gadget that is completely different from CT's camnet but is still isn't basically a form of camnet? You can't.

You just contradicted yourself. You're admitting that your gadget is still a form of camnet. That means that you should not have voted for "discard the idea entirely," as you are just trying to re-do camnet.

My first paragraph was showing how I interpreted the poll option and to show why I chose the 4th option instead of the others. The 2nd paragraph was responding to something you said, saying that my idea was still camnet and that I shouldn't have chosen that option. I was trying to explain that you can't disregard camnet entirely while making a new gadget, becuase it will essentially be a camnet, despite how many changes is made or what the gadget is. That's why I made those stupid ideas to show off what a new gadget would be that disregarded camnet entirely, and I don't think a jetpack is a way to go. I didn't mean to sound as if I was contradicting myself... which I didn't really, since nowhere did I say my idea was not technically camnet. :)

That doesn't change the fact that your a noob.

U R A77 T3H N00BS 1!!11!!(eleven)1!!

QuoteNeth, there comes a point when one gets tired of sifting through retarded epeen bullshit. I get sick of watching someone try to prove they are somehow superior. If he loathes himself so much he has to resort to constantly cutting people down to feel better about himself and I have to see it then I'm going to call him out on it. If I could just simply ignore him, I would but I have to read the forums to see what kind of ideas/feedback the community is coming up with.

Uh huh. Sticking your nose inbetween an argument between Westfall, Zed, and I while posting sideways insults is certainly noble of you.

Who's the one really trying to make themselves feel superior here?

Quote from: Spekkio on November 09, 2007, 07:49:25 PM

QuoteNeth, there comes a point when one gets tired of sifting through retarded epeen bullshit. I get sick of watching someone try to prove they are somehow superior. If he loathes himself so much he has to resort to constantly cutting people down to feel better about himself and I have to see it then I'm going to call him out on it. If I could just simply ignore him, I would but I have to read the forums to see what kind of ideas/feedback the community is coming up with.

Uh huh. Sticking your nose inbetween an argument between Westfall, Zed, and I while posting sideways insults is certainly noble of you.

Who's the one really trying to make themselves feel superior here?

Me... The only way I'm happy is poking my nose in other people's business and picking on the little people.

God it sucks to be analyzed by a brilliant mind such as yours... I feel like you've ripped me open and the world can now see what a petty little man I am.

Come, try a little harder... This is like holding a child's head while he impotently swings at you.

You know what are really awesome?













Boobies.

You know what? Spy traps will be disguised as boobies, cool eh?  :D

Quote from: B1nArY_001 on November 09, 2007, 09:00:34 PM
You know what? Spy traps will be disguised as boobies, cool eh?  :D

I want that in. MAKE IT NOW.
And the Spy, when he is disarming them, squeezes in it. Maybe a little nipple twist?

LAZAR MUST CUM FROM TEH NIPPLZ! 7331!

I hope you meant "come" from  the nipples lol

This reminds me of Austin Powers

OH AND HOW BOUT W3 Do M4Ke teh MeRCC GUn  A G1AnT PEn1S!!!!

Now that we've strayed completely...

Ok so back to it - between SCLamers and PS the top 2 are: Discard the idea entirely or Remove visions + make camo invisible to the camera.

There is not much to discuss if we omit the visions and make camo invisible, however if a different gadget is implemented are there any ideas that have not been posted yet?

Don't worry if it sounds silly, any idea has the potential to either spark a new idea for someone or it may contain elements that would work great when combined with elements from another idea. If someone wants to flame you ignore them. They only prove how close minded and lacking in imagination they are.

QuoteMe... The only way I'm happy is poking my nose in other people's business and picking on the little people.

God it sucks to be analyzed by a brilliant mind such as yours... I feel like you've ripped me open and the world can now see what a petty little man I am.

Come, try a little harder... This is like holding a child's head while he impotently swings at you.

I don't have to try harder. You're doing all the work for me by attempting to put words in my mouth.

The way you guys bicker almost makes me long for reason3d, whose arguments were funny.

Quote from: frvge on November 09, 2007, 11:35:42 PM
The way you guys bicker almost makes me long for reason3d, whose arguments were funny.

It's not my fault he lacks intelligent/entertaining/funny come-backs  :(

What's wrong with you people? Stop mentioning him  :-\

Im not sure but removing all visions can make this gadget almost useless. Why dont we let the MT stay but with not visible camo ? ofc with no emf.


I think its stupid when you can see camo with 2 visions. It should be visible only by EMF.