Working in the US

[neth]

ah yes, now I see it  ;)

[Cyntrox]

You've gotta be fucking kidding.  Paranoid?  We just don't want it to happen again.  Is that so wrong and so inconvenient for you guys?

Yes, it's very inconvenient.

Don't bring anything embarrassing on a plane like a penis pump.

So you can't bring your personal belongings on a plane? Why not remove a persons right to have personal belongings while you're at it? Everyone would have what they needed supplied by the state, and if anyone had an item they didn't get from the government, they get shot. Good idea?

Apparently there's something wrong to you all about security.  And that is ridiculous.  You'd rather take the chance that people will die than you to be annoyed (minimally I might add).  Pretty damn selfish in my opinion.

The world is overpopulated anyways.

Btw, you guys are mistaking fear with preventive measures.  We don't fear the terrorists.  Obviously not, we are over there dealing with them first hand.  I actually am glad to some extent that the terrorists showed how flawed our security system is.  We can learn from the mistakes it had and prevent things like 9/11 from happening again.  If we feared the terrorists we'd still all be over here letting them do what they please in the mid east - it's not the case.

I am quite aware of the fact that you're not one bit better than any terrorist organization, as you just pointed out, but I don't believe you when you say that the majority of americans are not afraid of terrorism.

[Farley4Fan]

1) How incredibly selfish you are.

2) You can bring personal items on the plane.  They should be checked.  How is someone to know that your bag isn't full of bombs?  They don't know.  Therefore it MUST be checked, if you don't see that then your logic is amazingly flawed.

3) How you come to the conclusion that we aren't better than the terrorists I will never know.  How is hunting them down to obliterate their entire evil organization not better than killing innocent civilians?  It's not worse.  It's about 1,000,000,000 times better.

4) I'll be waiting for the day America passes a bill to let every passenger on board without a baggage check and a terrorist flies a 747 into your house.  Will you think that a little embarrassment was worth you dying, or anyone for that matter?  And who says that every person is embarrassed by their luggage?  95% of people pack the regular anyways - clothes, toothbrush, soap, etc...  As for making a mess?  Just pack your bags a little looser, neater, and stfu if they get checked.

President's Informer: "Mr. President, I've got some good news and some bad news."

Bush: "What's the bad news?"

President's Informer:  "A passenger jet was hijacked today and was crashed into a city building containing 17,000 people.  They all died."

Bush:  "Oh my God, that's terrible!  What's the good news?"

President's Informer:  "The good news is that no one on board was embarrassed of their luggage!  What a victory for the American people, no one felt akward showing their luggage contents to people who don't even give a shit anyways!  Forget that they died on board, just remember that they didn't have to get their fingerprint scanned or ANYTHING!!! Hooray!"

Use your fucking head and quit being so stuck up that you actually care that people get their bags checked.  It'll be worth it one day when a C4 is found in a terrorists bag.  But wait!  Won't he be embarrassed he just tried to kill 5,000 civilians and got caught?!  Well, in that case, we better not check his bag after all!!!

I really, really, really hope you are kidding.

[Cyntrox]

1) How incredibly selfish you are.

Why, thank you. Coming from an american nationalist, that really means a lot.

2) You can bring personal items on the plane.  They should be checked.  How is someone to know that your bag isn't full of bombs?  They don't know.  Therefore it MUST be checked, if you don't see that then your logic is amazingly flawed.

So anything that the government doesn't know of must be checked? Wow, I guess you don't know what privacy is.

3) How you come to the conclusion that we aren't better than the terrorists I will never know.  How is hunting them down to obliterate their entire evil organization not better than killing innocent civilians?  It's not worse.  It's about 1,000,000,000 times better.

Have you seen the death rates of innocent americans compared to all the people you kill while bombing entire cities in the middle east? What gives americans any more right to live than middle-eastians?

4) I'll be waiting for the day America passes a bill to let every passenger on board without a baggage check and a terrorist flies a 747 into your house.

I'll tell you when it happens.

And who says that every person is embarrassed by their luggage?  95% of people pack the regular anyways - clothes, toothbrush, soap, etc...  As for making a mess?  Just pack your bags a little looser, neater, and stfu if they get checked.

Yes, step in line, play nice, and don't ever question anything the government does. Way to go.

Use your fucking head and quit being so stuck up that you actually care that people get their bags checked.

Baah. Baah!

I really, really, really hope you are kidding.

I could say the same about you.

[Gui Brazil]

More people die in slum wars in Rio de Janeiro than in Iraq per year.

[Farley4Fan]

You are a selfish piece of shit.  Can't even believe it.  It's amazing that you try to say that Americans are selfish, when we are the MOST GIVING COUNTRY in the world.  We give the most to charity/needy countries, yeah, I guess we really are selfish.  ::)  You have a point there, guess my opinion is void.  Jackass.

Privacy rules are unimportant when the lives of innocent people are at stake.  If we have to ravage through the dresser of a woman's panties to find a nuke we'll do it.  Nothing wrong with that.  Absolutely nothing.  And listen, bags must be checked if it's possible that a giant flying bomb could be hijacked by a terrorist. 

Minor deaths to prevent major deaths is worth it.  As bad as it sounds, it's unavoidable.  Innocents are ALWAYS killed in the process of eliminating big threats.  Don't make it sound like it's only America that kills civilians.  In fact, we are trying to prevent it.  Accidental deaths are, well, accidental.  Wasn't on purpose like that rat we took out of power. (Hussein)  Think of it this way:  1 innocent civilian's live is lost to kill 1 guilty evil terrorist that is capable of killing much more.  It's worth it.  If at all possible, hopefully we can avoid getting that 1 innocent killed.  We aren't the bad guys, fuck off.

The government isn't out to get you, there out there to protect you.  I know I sound like the people who just believe in everything the government does.  I'm not.  But after years and years of studying them and their history/current actions, I can safely assure you that they aren't out to embarrass people by making a mess out of their luggage.

I'd expect more from a human being, and that's saying a lot.  Don't you care about other people?  Or are you just a sociopathic kind of guy?  Tell you what.  Why don't you go tell all of your friends, family, neighbors, fellow residents, etc that you'd rather have their lives at stake then you to have your fingerprint scanned or your bags checked because it's kind of annoying.  That's all you are bitching about, annoyance.  Get your tolerance level raised, get some patience, and while your at it why don't you grow up.

[goodkebab]

Spain and England have been victims to anual terrorist attacks for centuries and are dealing with it quite maturely.  You do not get the impression that you are under a constant threat despite knowing England has incredibly sophisticated tech to fight terrorism.


Amerca govt.  and media is being criticzed for the collective hysteria effect it has used over the people.  Preventing terrorism is necessary,  but my impression is that a lot of what we see as security is merely superficial.  It is intended as a display to the public, when in fact it only a display.  This display does not prevent anything, and is only a hindrance.  It is a political statement by the govt.  but I find it ineffective.

Think about,  if you are a terrorist,  would you fill out a questionaire saying you are muslim and can use a gun?  If you were able to get past 1 strict security check(pat down + check passport with UV light),  are the 6 other relaxed security checks going to even matter?  The RFD chips in new passports can already be hacked by a portable wifi system.....within a range of 3 meters.  And finally...from a strategy point...if you wish to attack someone, do you attack them where they anticipate it(like an airport) or do you attack them where they are vulnerable?

[Gawain]

cyntrox&goodkebap>papaskull  :o

[frvge]

The basic thing is: the US security system is 100% flawed. And I don't want to be treated like a criminal for a system that does not work. If it actually worked, I still wouldn't want to be treated like a criminal. I indeed do not care for the future victims. Why? There will always be more victims. I choose the bad (victims) over the worse (stupid lines, annoyances of millions of people, infringment on my body and possessions, a lot of money wasted on a system that does not work AND victims). I don't mind a basic check of possessions, but not in the way that's currently done. My perfectly normal luggage was searched, nothing stolen, when I returned from the USA to Holland by the TSA or something. The terms in the paper they added to it were ridiculous: "We have the right to search through your possessions. We are not responsible if we break anything." Like wtf... especially the 2nd part.

[Cyntrox]

You are a selfish piece of shit.  Can't even believe it.  It's amazing that you try to say that Americans are selfish, when we are the MOST GIVING COUNTRY in the world.  We give the most to charity/needy countries, yeah, I guess we really are selfish.  ::)  You have a point there, guess my opinion is void.  Jackass.

Give me a source that compares the economy of different countries with the money they give to charity, and I'll believe you. And even if you do give the most to charity, charity doesn't work.

Privacy rules are unimportant when the lives of innocent people are at stake.  If we have to ravage through the dresser of a woman's panties to find a nuke we'll do it.  Nothing wrong with that.  Absolutely nothing.  And listen, bags must be checked if it's possible that a giant flying bomb could be hijacked by a terrorist.

You're just restating things. And yeah, I'm quite aware that you're willing to fuck up an entire country and kill tens of thousands of innocents in order to take out one man who's military power is NOTHING compared to yours.

Minor deaths to prevent major deaths is worth it.  As bad as it sounds, it's unavoidable.  Innocents are ALWAYS killed in the process of eliminating big threats.  Don't make it sound like it's only America that kills civilians.  In fact, we are trying to prevent it.  Accidental deaths are, well, accidental.  Wasn't on purpose like that rat we took out of power. (Hussein)  Think of it this way:  1 innocent civilian's live is lost to kill 1 guilty evil terrorist that is capable of killing much more.  It's worth it.  If at all possible, hopefully we can avoid getting that 1 innocent killed.  We aren't the bad guys, fuck off.

The fact that you even use the word "bad guys" are making me doubt you're worth my time, but I'll bite:

Number of civilians killed in the Iraqi war: 90 000
Number of civilians killed in 9/11: 2819

Source: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/, http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm

1 civilians life is lost to kill 1 guilty evil terrorist that is capable of killing much more... I'll correct that statement: 90000 civilians are killed to kill one innocent person whom your president blamed for having WMDs, but it turns out he didn't have them anyways. Oh, and the country happens to have a lot of oil! How convenient...

The government isn't out to get you, there out there to protect you.  I know I sound like the people who just believe in everything the government does.  I'm not.  But after years and years of studying them and their history/current actions, I can safely assure you that they aren't out to embarrass people by making a mess out of their luggage.

You, studying? What degree do you have? Or do you just read the newspapers?

I'd expect more from a human being, and that's saying a lot.  Don't you care about other people?  Or are you just a sociopathic kind of guy?  Tell you what.  Why don't you go tell all of your friends, family, neighbors, fellow residents, etc that you'd rather have their lives at stake then you to have your fingerprint scanned or your bags checked because it's kind of annoying.  That's all you are bitching about, annoyance.  Get your tolerance level raised, get some patience, and while your at it why don't you grow up.

Tolerance? Says the guy who supports killing 90000 civilians, throwing a country into chaos and social disorder because of false accusations and because you don't like his way of ruling.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080316/wl_mcclatchy/2878538;_ylt=AmYBXKJ8Fg5FRstsy4Wx9sKs0NUE

Read that, then tell me I'm intolerant. And give me one single reason why the Iraqi war was necessary.

[Bubbaganoosh]

Cyntrox is right, the terrorists have won in many ways. They have the entire country paranoid and always looking over their shoulder for terrorists. Just walk through an airport and listen to the Threat advisory level (which is laughable anyways). Airport security is a joke as well, kinda like closing the barn door after the horse has got out. If some of these measure were in place before, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

I travel alot in the US and I watch these guys at the screening look at the x-ray with a glazed look on their face. The TSA people are just looking for an excuse to harras someone to make their job more exciting. How exciting is a job where you look at an x-ray machine and shuffle rubbermaid containers around. They are as bad as the customs people. They are on a power trip and look for any way to assert that power. I see these people and all I can think is they are little people who want to act big.

Many here say they don't want customs to take their fingerprints. I for one don't really care as I have nothing to hide from the Us government. I am Canadian and work in  the US alot. I travel through the border no problem because I have gone through all the bullshit to make it easier for me. Every so often I get the customs asshole who got into a fight with his wife the night before so he takes it out on everyone but for the most part it's ok. I do have a year long Visa to work there so it helps.

Papa you come across as a very patriotic US citizen and there is nothing wrong with that. But you should also look at it from the other side of the fence. The US foreign policies are seriously flawed and as such they make your country look bad. Bin Laden admitted to the attack on New York and he had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. Why is Bin Laden still running free? Seems to me the war is in the wrong place. There was no justifiable reason for the US to be in Iraq other than to finish up Daddy Bush's origional war.

[Farley4Fan]

Cyntrox, you are misinformed.  Bush did not lie about Saddam having WMD's, Saddam did.  He threatened America.  Therefore, he is a threat.  Yeah, he's got a shitty military.  But we didn't know he didn't have WMD's or biological weapons.  We took him out and we left the country in shambles.  We are rebuilding it and taking out terrorists in the area.  All that conspiracy garbage about Bush lying so he could attack Iraq for oil is some of the most idiotic gibberish I've ever heard.

The 90k killed are MOSTLY KILLED BY THE TERRORISTS ffs.  "killed by truck bomb", "killed by road side car bomb", only a few say by US strikes.  And even then, it doesn't mean that they were killed by U.S. soldiers.  They were just killed in battle by either side when the US/allies were fighting the terrorists.  The killing would still happen if we weren't there, and they were happening before we got there. 

I study myself.  I read history books, look at the facts, I DO NOT watch the news (all the liberal biased opinions only feed bullshit into the country).  I may even get a degree on it in the future.  Do I have to go to college to know that our government isn't out there to embarrass anyone?  Don't think so.

How convenient that the oil prices are going up after the Iraq war!  Wow!  We must really be there for oil because we are getting less of it by the day! Wow!  stfu...  We're there to rebuild the country (could take awhile), introduce democracy (also could take years), build up Iraq's military so they can take control themselves (making great progress), take Saddam out of power (check), liberate the country (just about there), and gain an ally.  None of that "WE'RE ONLY THERE FOR OIL" shit please.  If we wanted oil we could take it just as easily.  Why go through all that trouble just to get some oil? 

If we supported killing innocent civvies then we wouldn't be there right now, dur dur dur.  That's one reason we are there, to stop sectarian killing and take out terrorists who are killing innocents.  The country was already ruled by a dictator.  It must go down then go up, and up, and up.

Thanks for the article Captain Obvious, war sucks, no shit.  Once war is over, victory is achieved, and we gain an ally, all is well.  But we won't forget all the bad times that happened.

[Aj]

Actually, we did find chemical WMDs in Iraq.  It's just that most of the news media ignored it.

[Farley4Fan]

That is true actually.  The media probably ignored because they wanted to make Bush look bad, they are 90% all liberals.  But then, the weapons found weren't as bad as Saddam made them out to be.  He exaggerated their potential to scare off Iran.

[Westfall]

I like when someone who doesn't live here says "Americans are paranoid" (Rambo...speak for someone else, but definitely not for all of us) and then some other really really intelligent person tells me that terrorists have won. Cyntrox, you are right that the definition of terrorisim involves fear. UNFORTUNATELY you have to realize that these super cool terrorists are trying to take away our freedom. This is the point of the whole problem. Some ignorant fuck out in a desert wants to kill Americans because he doesn't understand how to live in a free society. SO my boy, until these mother fuckers take away any of my freedom, they haven't won shit. KThxBye "But America has so many laws". Well, I can bet you we are still freer than....you, lets just say.

Cyntrox, you are in some sense, an asshole. I can understand how you would defend whatever country your from, which makes you just as much a nationalist as Papa, but don't try and tell me shit when I'm not the fuck rooting for "which side has more power." Funny how they say that shit is preschool, yet look at you girls go. Always have to be the better. Can't just live with each other.

@ Papa: The government hasn't protected us in a while. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but from simple observations, our country is heading in the wrong direction because a majority of the population is being manipulated.

@AJ: The chemical weapons that were found were really old, supplied by us, and inactive.

Forgot how much on topic this was to PS. Also forgot how flaming is getting away with. If you're going to make something a rule, stick to your guns.