Ps3 or Xbox 360

[Gui Brazil]

+2  ;D  He's right.  But I really really don't see it as much of a handicap for spy, at all.

I think I'd make someone watching me play dizzy because I never stop moving the camera...

[Farley4Fan]

Speaking of the camera, it's so much easier to use the camera with an analog stick.  Maybe not for aiming, aiming definitely goes to mouse in terms of how easy it is, but controlling cameras I find easier on a controller.

[T2C LeBron]

Oh, and Invisible, I play with an xbox controller on CT (for PC), and I don't always necessarily get owned.  I'm still learning the differences and once I do, I won't get owned.

You can beat newbs that way, but you won't be able to beat good players. It's a huge handicap, especially as merc.

+1

+2  ;D  He's right.  But I really really don't see it as much of a handicap for spy, at all.  For merc, it's a handicap.  But I can definitely aim with an analog stick easily.

Controller 4 spy mouse keyboard for merc.  Thats what i do for ct.  You guys obviously never heard of gamebattles.  Because that shit was soo completive, you lose a game to some scrubs they start talking major shit to you and you got to shut them up.  I swear during the summer i put in a ton of hours i mean it ton. There were i say like 5-7 really good teams and then timf who was the best.  100-0 on gamebattles, which is ridicules, that is more impressive then if tiger won all the majors in a year or something.  Just crazy stuff.  But tim had no life (and still doesn't i believe doesn't play video games but does nothing but smoke) The forums were absolutely crazy on gb, people would start shit with people and then when someone ditched some one else to play on a better team it started some major rivalries.  It was just good times.  It sucks because DA killed CT(because we thought da was gona be good) then ct came back a few months later.  People still play on xbox i mean to play but i have to format my hdd.

so we are still very very competitive i would say probably more because pc tactics from what i see are pretty poor and lack disapline.   

[Hyrage]

Speaking of the camera, it's so much easier to use the camera with an analog stick.  Maybe not for aiming, aiming definitely goes to mouse in terms of how easy it is, but controlling cameras I find easier on a controller.

Yeah aiming is harder on a 360 controller, but it can become greatly accurated once mastered... the hardest (longest) thing is to warm up. It's faster with a mouse/keyboard to do it.

[Gawain]

pc tactics from what i see are pretty poor and lack disapline.   

oO
the fact that controls are harder doesn't make the game better in any way. i also can't imagine the spy controls being anywhere better with a controler. maybe more intuitive, but definitely not quicker or more precise.

[Xris]

tbh, it's not just the controls, i can't imagine console players being anywhere near that competitive :P

Try playing a game of halo 2 on xbox, you will get owned.

Console players can be very competitive and fanatical about playing.

It's really just a matter of controls. PC players aren't any more skilled because they have better controls. Bringing a rifle to an archery contest doesn't necessarily mean you've got better aim.

Thats cause all the "good" (top 10) halo 2 players glitch

[MR.Mic]

tbh, it's not just the controls, i can't imagine console players being anywhere near that competitive :P

Try playing a game of halo 2 on xbox, you will get owned.

Console players can be very competitive and fanatical about playing.

It's really just a matter of controls. PC players aren't any more skilled because they have better controls. Bringing a rifle to an archery contest doesn't necessarily mean you've got better aim.

Thats cause all the "good" (top 10) halo 2 players glitch

Just like all the "good" CT players.

[Xris]

I still say halo 2 is worse for glitching, there is a glitch that allows you to burst fire many bullets, instead of just 1.  Some people that are really good can burst fire 10+ bullets in one shot.  It's especially bad if they happen to have the battle rifle, which burst fires 3 bullets in one click, which gives them the ability to easily fire 30+ bullets.  :o

[Hyrage]

pc tactics from what i see are pretty poor and lack disapline.   

oO
the fact that controls are harder doesn't make the game better in any way. i also can't imagine the spy controls being anywhere better with a controler. maybe more intuitive, but definitely not quicker or more precise.

Playing with a controller is quicker when it comes to a more complex control layout scheme [if I said it correctly].

FASA studio tested Shadowrun with PC pro gamers VS 360 Pro gamers and the mouse & keyboard are only the most efficient when the game uses basical controls like Quake 3, but when it comes to a more complexe control scheme... a controller is a lot better.

The 360 players were totally owning the PC gamers, no because they were bad, but it was because they couldn't be as fast as the 360 crew.

I didn't see much studies about this, but I been myself a truly hardcore FPS gamer and highly skilled on Soldier of Fortune 2 before the gold patch, but when I jumped on the xbox... hmmm I can tell you there is a huge gap bewteen the time reaction.

The only true advantages for PC is "easy aiming, faster warm up" and great possibility to "lean" & this cannot be done properly with a 360 or PS3 controller [leaning].

You can always consider my thoughts as an opinion, so feel free to argue.

[frvge]

I can't see why, so I'd like to see more studies into that matter. You'd say that the movement speed (which is limited by the nature of the sticks) is better on the PC, and the same goes with fast pinpointing.
Of course Xbox pros have mastered the 2nd thing, but still it's slower because of limitations by the hardware.
Maybe if you can set the sensitivity, they could be equal for pros. However, a medium PC vs medium console = PC FTW I think.

[I <3 U]

I can't see why, so I'd like to see more studies into that matter. You'd say that the movement speed (which is limited by the nature of the sticks) is better on the PC, and the same goes with fast pinpointing.
Of course Xbox pros have mastered the 2nd thing, but still it's slower because of limitations by the hardware.
Maybe if you can set the sensitivity, they could be equal for pros. However, a medium PC vs medium console = PC FTW I think.

cam control on xbox was smoother, aswell as camnet. Apart from that PC controls are better (excluding the speed system).

[tigaer]

Pretty sure microsoft isnt gonna allow mods.

I still say halo 2 is worse for glitching, there is a glitch that allows you to burst fire many bullets, instead of just 1.  Some people that are really good can burst fire 10+ bullets in one shot.  It's especially bad if they happen to have the battle rifle, which burst fires 3 bullets in one click, which gives them the ability to easily fire 30+ bullets.  :o

Haha, bro, they fire 2 bursts in one shot, not 30, its called a double shot.
Just press RRX real fast, then press YY to cancel the time after the glitch, then RRX again, there you shot 4 bursts in the time it takes to shoot 2.

Its not hard. Its not cheating, everybody can do it.

[Gawain]

Just like all the "good" CT players.

yeah it's gonna be so awesome raping all those wanna-be "pros" in ps =)

[I <3 U]

Pretty sure microsoft isnt gonna allow mods.

I still say halo 2 is worse for glitching, there is a glitch that allows you to burst fire many bullets, instead of just 1.  Some people that are really good can burst fire 10+ bullets in one shot.  It's especially bad if they happen to have the battle rifle, which burst fires 3 bullets in one click, which gives them the ability to easily fire 30+ bullets.  :o

Haha, bro, they fire 2 bursts in one shot, not 30, its called a double shot.
Just press RRX real fast, then press YY to cancel the time after the glitch, then RRX again, there you shot 4 bursts in the time it takes to shoot 2.

Its not hard. Its not cheating, everybody can do it.

Didnt know you have xbox live? Oh and at papa and t2c add my xbox live : XX FR33M4N XX. Maybe we can play halo 3 (one of the two games i have for x360) sometime.

[Hyrage]

I can't see why, so I'd like to see more studies into that matter. You'd say that the movement speed (which is limited by the nature of the sticks) is better on the PC, and the same goes with fast pinpointing.
Of course Xbox pros have mastered the 2nd thing, but still it's slower because of limitations by the hardware.
Maybe if you can set the sensitivity, they could be equal for pros. However, a medium PC vs medium console = PC FTW I think.

Depending of the game you can adjust yourself the thumbsticks sensitivity, but you could also learn that even the slowest aim (I mean, to perform a 180 spin) isn't handicaped if he anticipate correctly the situations to face the right direction at the right moment.

I played for months at a 10 sensitivity on Halo 2 & 3 and there is no way I couldn't compete against a PC player.

The movement speed? Did you mean how fast we can move? The PC is limited to a specific movement speed while using the keyboard because it isn't pressure sensitive so you would need another button to switch between "walk slowly" and  "run".

Think about it;
PC
LEFT HAND
4 arrows: 2 to 3 fingers
Space bar - jump: usually your thumb
And well... all the other actions like crouch, reload, etc...

RIGHT HAND
Aiming
Left Click (fire)
Right click (zoom, secondary fire or other)
Sometimes you can also use a 3 button: striking by example or using the zoom here what would be faster for medium to long range fights.
And finally Cycle weapons

360 Controller
LEFT HAND
Left Thumbstick: move slowly, run, crouch [One thumb for 3 actions]
Left Bumper: it can be jump, cycle items, strike, etc.
Left Trigger: it can be Use Items, strike, zoom, etc.
D-pad: switch visions, change weapons, etc.

RIGHT HAND:
Right Trigger: Fire
Right bumper: can be jump, strike, reload, switch weapon or item, et.
A: jump by example
X: usually it's for reloading
Start: can be used to cycle items but this button is unfortunately rarely used
Y: cycle weapons (usually)
B: striking, crouching or any other mid-action

With a 360 controller you have:
Primary Actions

These actions can be performed at the same time without disturbing the movement of the player, his aiming, etc. So he could move, jump, crouch, strike, shoot, etc.. all at the same time. He is never handicaped.

Secondary Actions

This is called secondary actions because while being used, the possible actions aren't optimized for the player. While performing any secondary action, the player is handicaped because he can't aim at the same time by using a "normal" player stance. So you shouldn't have to "fire" with these button because you just couldn't aim so these actions shouldn't be directly related to a "aiming skill".

It can be for throwing grenade, reload, switch weapons or items, etc.

Slowest Actions

The D-Pad is the slowest action because you have to release your Left Thumbstick so you directly become vulnerable by using it.

As you can see, it's easier to perform multiple actions without disturbing your movements with a 360 controller.

On PC, your left hand is as much dedicated for character movement as it is for all the other actions. Plus, moving your character requires at least two or three fingers. You really can't act as fast as a console player on a complex games.

The PC players are only gaining the full advantage for simple FPS games: aiming, shooting, moving, jumping, crouch. As I said earlier, on a 360 controller, it would be really hard to make "leaning" a possible action. Soldier of Fortune 2 took advantage of it on PC by using Q and E... it's quite tricky to move while doing it as much as performing crouching + moving + leaning + jumping... combos. Unfortunately, leaning isn't required to have a good game.

The other advantage on PC is the double-tap to dodge like in UT3, it's harder to perform with a thumbsticks, but this could easily be countered by using a specific button to dodge.

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Pretty sure microsoft isnt gonna allow mods.

I still say halo 2 is worse for glitching, there is a glitch that allows you to burst fire many bullets, instead of just 1.  Some people that are really good can burst fire 10+ bullets in one shot.  It's especially bad if they happen to have the battle rifle, which burst fires 3 bullets in one click, which gives them the ability to easily fire 30+ bullets.  :o

Haha, bro, they fire 2 bursts in one shot, not 30, its called a double shot.
Just press RRX real fast, then press YY to cancel the time after the glitch, then RRX again, there you shot 4 bursts in the time it takes to shoot 2.

Its not hard. Its not cheating, everybody can do it.

Doubleshots at Halo 2 takes skills because in a normal stance you can't aim at the same time that you are performing this action (you need to press X = not aiming with the right thumbstick). By using the "claw" stance you could achieve it, but the 360 controller isn't designed for that.