Ps3 or Xbox 360

[Hyrage]

For all of you people who think that analog sticks can beat a mouse, try playing a real time strategy game like Starcraft and trying to be fast with an analog stick. Honestly you'll probably have most of your trouble even selecting your units on screen.  You'll see just how the latent inaccuracy of a controller makes the game super difficult.

Mice are faster and more accurate than analog sticks. It's just a fact.

It's people claiming that controllers are just as good as mice that makes Xbox users seem ridiculous n00bs in the eyes of some PC users. Trust me, controller versus mouse. You'd get owned. Seriously.

amen to that.
it's not that you can't reach decent speed and accuracy with a controller, but you can't reach the same maxium level you can reach with a mouse.

even if command & conquer 3 on 360 rocks!

By the simple fact that it is harder to master a 360 controller, the only guys who can be called noob are the Pro PC guys claiming that a Mouse + Keyboard is godly while it's so friendly and easy to use. Isn't a real man supposed to enjoy real challenges!!? Using a controller requires more skills and the Console Pro Gamers have truly something to be proud of.

cnc3 really sucks hard on pc, and it sucks even more on console.
the challenge in a game shouldn't be mastering the controls, but mastering the game...

I don't play a game so that I can spend all my time mastering the controls. If that's your idea of a deep game, go play Dance Dance Revolution.

pwned.

Hmm seriously, I don't totally understand the sense of this statement. I mean, I need a translator. Did you mean: "I don't play a game to the controls in other words?".

If your answer is yes and you also added that I should play DDR, damn this is a good game. Any game design is based on the challenge behind the controls and any Singleplayer game progression is also based on that... well except Myst and stuff like that that are based on the puzzle progression or strange stuff.

So I assume you do not like games.
RTS isn't played mostly with a mouse, but with a Keyboard for the shortcuts. A thumbsticks can go really quick, but the controller will never beat a keyboard for a RTS [forget the mouse lol, the thumbstick can do that to... you just lack skills for it it seems...). If you both didn't see it, there are not that RTS games on the 360. Why? The 360 controller is mostly designed for FPS games. Why? Because Microsoft decided it and prefers to keep the RTS games on PC.

We are comparing the accuray of the mouse VS thumbstick for action games and you are giving us the argument that a keyboard is owning the controller AWESOME, but it's certainly not the mouse that makes the difference here... or maybe you need to play with Pros to understand the point?

THe only valuable answer can only be, it's a preference. However, if you think that keyboard + mouse is superior it's totally fine to me... live in your dream folks.

[InvisibleMan999]

You can't use RTS's as a point, they are designed for Keyboard + Mouse.  It's like saying that PC's suck becasue they get a lot of ports and a lot of things aren't strictly designed for it.  Kind of a stretch but you get what I mean.]

Yeah, it's true hotkeys play a big role, but I"m not really talking about those, I'm talking about just doing the mouse cursor work. See how fast you can select stuff and just generally play the game. It's just a showcase of how much slower a controller is at aiming accurately than a mouse.

[Hyrage]

You can't use RTS's as a point, they are designed for Keyboard + Mouse.  It's like saying that PC's suck becasue they get a lot of ports and a lot of things aren't strictly designed for it.  Kind of a stretch but you get what I mean.]

Yeah, it's true hotkeys play a big role, but I"m not really talking about those, I'm talking about just doing the mouse cursor work. See how fast you can select stuff and just generally play the game. It's just a showcase of how much slower a controller is at aiming accurately than a mouse.

I tested Command and Conquer 3, favorite game of my firend) and I can be as fast as I am with a mouse. It took me times to adjust myself to the sensitivity but it's really not a big deal once you handle the dead zone of the game (because it's not halo lol). But you are totally right, I would strongly prefer a Keyborad + mouse for an RTS.

I much more appreciate a Controller for a FPS thought  8) . Plus, the mouse isn't giving any vibration, what I find totally anti-immersive nowadays and I thank any controller dev for this feature, but a mouse having Vibration would totally sucks  :-\ .

[Ion.67]

You can't use RTS's as a point, they are designed for Keyboard + Mouse.  It's like saying that PC's suck becasue they get a lot of ports and a lot of things aren't strictly designed for it.  Kind of a stretch but you get what I mean.]

Yeah, it's true hotkeys play a big role, but I"m not really talking about those, I'm talking about just doing the mouse cursor work. See how fast you can select stuff and just generally play the game. It's just a showcase of how much slower a controller is at aiming accurately than a mouse.

I tested Command and Conquer 3, favorite game of my firend) and I can be as fast as I am with a mouse. It took me times to adjust myself to the sensitivity but it's really not a big deal once you handle the dead zone of the game (because it's not halo lol). But you are totally right, I would strongly prefer a Keyborad + mouse for an RTS.

I much more appreciate a Controller for a FPS thought  8) . Plus, the mouse isn't giving any vibration, what I find totally anti-immersive nowadays and I thank any controller dev for this feature, but a mouse having Vibration would totally sucks  :-\ .

But, you can't reach the speed. Under no circumstance can you spin around in a 180 in any game, and still expect to be able to aim on a controller.

[Hyrage]

You can't use RTS's as a point, they are designed for Keyboard + Mouse.  It's like saying that PC's suck becasue they get a lot of ports and a lot of things aren't strictly designed for it.  Kind of a stretch but you get what I mean.]

Yeah, it's true hotkeys play a big role, but I"m not really talking about those, I'm talking about just doing the mouse cursor work. See how fast you can select stuff and just generally play the game. It's just a showcase of how much slower a controller is at aiming accurately than a mouse.

I tested Command and Conquer 3, favorite game of my firend) and I can be as fast as I am with a mouse. It took me times to adjust myself to the sensitivity but it's really not a big deal once you handle the dead zone of the game (because it's not halo lol). But you are totally right, I would strongly prefer a Keyborad + mouse for an RTS.

I much more appreciate a Controller for a FPS thought  8) . Plus, the mouse isn't giving any vibration, what I find totally anti-immersive nowadays and I thank any controller dev for this feature, but a mouse having Vibration would totally sucks  :-\ .

But, you can't reach the speed. Under no circumstance can you spin around in a 180 in any game, and still expect to be able to aim on a controller.

Wait... have you played Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3 at the max sensitivity??? It's extra fast and the game seems to be on crack or something.

[Westfall]

If the max sensitivity seems to be on crack, then it does not compare to the smoothness and quickness of the mouse...which isn't on crack but is rather natural.

[Ion.67]

Yeah, but you can spin around that fast?!!?! But, once you spin around, you can't shoot for shit because the controller is on crack.

[Hyrage]

Yeah, but you can spin around that fast?!!?! But, once you spin around, you can't shoot for shit because the controller is on crack.

I can lol... But as I said I'll make a video later about that. Trsut me lol... it is really quick and accurate ^^

[Bubbaganoosh]

Fact brought to you by common sense.

QFT.

[MR.Mic]

Whenever people get into a keyboard + mouse vs. gamepad discussion, I like to post Quake 3 frag videos.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3520996425810543110 - Get Quaked 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4392915597663174837 - Annihilation, by own-age

[Hyrage]

Whenever people get into a keyboard + mouse vs. gamepad discussion, I like to post Quake 3 frag videos.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3520996425810543110 - Get Quaked 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4392915597663174837 - Annihilation, by own-age

Yeah I saw these video years ago and they ar just awseome! I played at this level years ago... but I had no life and I was younger lol.

These guys rock!

Thx for the vidz Mr.Mic good memories, but all this is achievable via a Controller.

Quake 3 Arena isn't on X-Box Live yet, but its coming soon!

[MR.Mic]

but all this is achievable via a Controller.

Watch 12:45 of get quaked 3

[Hyrage]

but all this is achievable via a Controller.

Watch 12:45 of get quaked 3

I guess you are talking about the 105 degree spin? Play at 10, you'll see it's really the same lol, but it was an awesome shot.
Take a look at these :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAzo4iYu1R8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhGY9dkYwtY

The huge difference between Quake 3 and Halo 2 is... the headshots. For sure Quake 3 is faster, but the hitboxe is huge... Halo 2 is slower + a bit of auto-aim when the aim is red. It'S pretty much the same.

[Gawain]

ut2k4>quake (except for the awesome rocket jumps) :P

[InvisibleMan999]

I tested Command and Conquer 3, favorite game of my firend) and I can be as fast as I am with a mouse. It took me times to adjust myself to the sensitivity but it's really not a big deal once you handle the dead zone of the game (because it's not halo lol). But you are totally right, I would strongly prefer a Keyborad + mouse for an RTS.

C&C ain't a great test. You need to try something fast paced like Starcraft, where you have to actually micro units around and you are constantly clicking. Some of the better Starcraft players can achieve up to 200-300 APM (actions per minute) meaning tha roughly they are issuing 200-300 clicks per minute. And not just clikcing empty air but actually doing stuff.

If anyone can do that with a controller, then my friend, they are god.