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Started by Blank Man, May 20, 2008, 05:06:01 AM

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Blank Man

Quote from: Papa Skull on May 20, 2008, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: Blank Man on May 20, 2008, 07:57:45 AM
Thanks for learning to read, but I said that host sniping was just the lack of lag.
Yeah, no shit.  Therefore host gets an advantage because they have no lag.
I never said that hosts get bigger aiming box or anything. It is just easier to snipe without lag. Logic?
Yeah, no shit.  Host has no lag.  Therefore it's easier to snipe as host.  Therefore it's a host advantage.
Did I ever say that my grabs are legit? I said that there is no reason for noobs like you to cry about them, because my side grabs do not come from host ability, they come from a quick reaction by the merc.
If your grabs aren't legit then I should have the right to complain about them.  I see a contradiction.  Have you ever been backed into a corner, then seen the host come run right towards you, then grab you?  I've seen it and experienced it loads of times, as both the host and as a guest merc.  I have not once seen a guest grab someone from the front of the merc.
I have elbowed somebody from behind as a host too, open your eyes please.
I've side grabbed as host... but I've also side grabbed as a guest.
You aren't going to grab someone 100% of the time from behind even when you are host.  But you are going to grab them as a host from the left side, the right side, or from behind them 90% of the time.  While as a guest it's much much much lower percentage.   

I'm absolutely stunned by this post.  Or any post that says there is no host grab. 

Yeah, and I bet that your calculations are really precise, huh?
About the sniping host advantage... it's not only host, it's anybody with a good connection to the server, so therefore it cannot be classified as a "host advantage".
You are so ignorant  :D

Ion.67

But you are so wrong. A host advantage is where the host has an advantage. Having no lag is a good advantage.

Blank Man

Quote from: Ion.67 on May 21, 2008, 12:45:42 AM
But you are so wrong. A host advantage is where the host has an advantage. Having no lag is a good advantage.

You are basically saying that anybody who doesn't lag is host.

Hyrage

Quote from: Blank Man on May 21, 2008, 02:38:15 AM
Quote from: Ion.67 on May 21, 2008, 12:45:42 AM
But you are so wrong. A host advantage is where the host has an advantage. Having no lag is a good advantage.

You are basically saying that anybody who doesn't lag is host.
It means everybody lags except the host. The host is the one who received the transfered data. I'm sure you know how upload and download works.
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Westfall

Quote from: Blank Man on May 21, 2008, 02:38:15 AM
Quote from: Ion.67 on May 21, 2008, 12:45:42 AM
But you are so wrong. A host advantage is where the host has an advantage. Having no lag is a good advantage.

You are basically saying that anybody who doesn't lag is host.

Listen here Sally. We've determined that host has no real lag. However, whats shitty is the idea of 2 ppl in the same country/continent playing 2 people in another country/continent (i.e. Euro vs NA) and one team not even being able to compete because the lag is so off the fuckin wall. Also, hosts need to realize that when they run a 3rd party program they are lagging everyone else in the server. Not too many people have really figured that genius out.

Today I got accused of lagging a server by taking a shotgun, so the host turned off the mics (dont really know what that accomplished...i did have to use rifle (OH NOES))....WHICH ALSO ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING BECAUSE IN GAME MICS DONT LAG......but 3rd party voice chats do. The person then called me a cheater after we won...w/out comms. Host needs to not be a piece of dung and run other programs. Thats doesn't help the cause....that means all you fools video-tapping (fraps). I can understand if another person is running it...but if host is running it and tries to "seem cool because he has teh l33test skills" while hosting the shit out of ppl.....

*grumble grumble*


Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet

Because th
Quote from: Cyntrox on May 21, 2008, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: Westfall on May 21, 2008, 06:37:31 AMIN GAME MICS DONT LAG
Why not?
because they transfer data WITH the game data, so the voice is transmitted
1. directly to it's target
2. with the game data -> Voice lags just as much as the game.

Gawain

the most awesome and pretty much unknown host advantage is that the host's SS-shock effect lasts 1 second longer XD

Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet

Yeah, but it's more of a code bug than lag affected.

Farley4Fan

Quote from: Blank Man on May 21, 2008, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 20, 2008, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: Blank Man on May 20, 2008, 07:57:45 AM
Thanks for learning to read, but I said that host sniping was just the lack of lag.
Yeah, no shit.  Therefore host gets an advantage because they have no lag.
I never said that hosts get bigger aiming box or anything. It is just easier to snipe without lag. Logic?
Yeah, no shit.  Host has no lag.  Therefore it's easier to snipe as host.  Therefore it's a host advantage.
Did I ever say that my grabs are legit? I said that there is no reason for noobs like you to cry about them, because my side grabs do not come from host ability, they come from a quick reaction by the merc.
If your grabs aren't legit then I should have the right to complain about them.  I see a contradiction.  Have you ever been backed into a corner, then seen the host come run right towards you, then grab you?  I've seen it and experienced it loads of times, as both the host and as a guest merc.  I have not once seen a guest grab someone from the front of the merc.
I have elbowed somebody from behind as a host too, open your eyes please.
I've side grabbed as host... but I've also side grabbed as a guest.
You aren't going to grab someone 100% of the time from behind even when you are host.  But you are going to grab them as a host from the left side, the right side, or from behind them 90% of the time.  While as a guest it's much much much lower percentage.   

I'm absolutely stunned by this post.  Or any post that says there is no host grab. 

Yeah, and I bet that your calculations are really precise, huh?
About the sniping host advantage... it's not only host, it's anybody with a good connection to the server, so therefore it cannot be classified as a "host advantage".
You are so ignorant  :D

I'm so ignorant?  HA! :D

Bottom Line: Host doesn't have lag, so he has an advantage.  He has an advantage in shooting because his bullets aren't delayed.  No one can possibly ever get no lag, as much as the host does.  If someone doesn't have a lot of lag, and their bullets are hitting almost instantly, host still has advantages.  Bigger grabbing/jumping ranges.  Stfu, you have no idea Blank Man.

I <3 U

Quote from: Liqu1D_133 on May 21, 2008, 09:21:34 AM
Because th
Quote from: Cyntrox on May 21, 2008, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: Westfall on May 21, 2008, 06:37:31 AMIN GAME MICS DONT LAG
Why not?
because they transfer data WITH the game data, so the voice is transmitted
1. directly to it's target
2. with the game data -> Voice lags just as much as the game.

Sometimes my mic didn't work in CT, but fine in third party Apps. Thats the only reason i ever use 3rd party apps.

+ if everyone uses the ingame mic chat, we can make use of spy bullets and traps more.


I think the hack key needs a change to. Its to far away for WASD, putting it to "G" or something would be cool.

Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet


I <3 U


Blank Man

Quote from: Papa Skull on May 21, 2008, 05:13:30 PM
Quote from: Blank Man on May 21, 2008, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 20, 2008, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: Blank Man on May 20, 2008, 07:57:45 AM
Thanks for learning to read, but I said that host sniping was just the lack of lag.
Yeah, no shit.  Therefore host gets an advantage because they have no lag.
I never said that hosts get bigger aiming box or anything. It is just easier to snipe without lag. Logic?
Yeah, no shit.  Host has no lag.  Therefore it's easier to snipe as host.  Therefore it's a host advantage.
Did I ever say that my grabs are legit? I said that there is no reason for noobs like you to cry about them, because my side grabs do not come from host ability, they come from a quick reaction by the merc.
If your grabs aren't legit then I should have the right to complain about them.  I see a contradiction.  Have you ever been backed into a corner, then seen the host come run right towards you, then grab you?  I've seen it and experienced it loads of times, as both the host and as a guest merc.  I have not once seen a guest grab someone from the front of the merc.
I have elbowed somebody from behind as a host too, open your eyes please.
I've side grabbed as host... but I've also side grabbed as a guest.
You aren't going to grab someone 100% of the time from behind even when you are host.  But you are going to grab them as a host from the left side, the right side, or from behind them 90% of the time.  While as a guest it's much much much lower percentage.   

I'm absolutely stunned by this post.  Or any post that says there is no host grab. 

Yeah, and I bet that your calculations are really precise, huh?
About the sniping host advantage... it's not only host, it's anybody with a good connection to the server, so therefore it cannot be classified as a "host advantage".
You are so ignorant  :D

I'm so ignorant?  HA! :D

Bottom Line: Host doesn't have lag, so he has an advantage.  He has an advantage in shooting because his bullets aren't delayed.  No one can possibly ever get no lag, as much as the host does.  If someone doesn't have a lot of lag, and their bullets are hitting almost instantly, host still has advantages.  Bigger grabbing/jumping ranges.  Stfu, you have no idea Blank Man.

Your stupid comments pollute threds, gtfo. You don't know shit, yet you are driven by the idea that you know everything, so you are  constantly stating your oppinion which nobody gives a shit about.

Farley4Fan

Dude, I know nothing?  You say there is no host grab ffs!!   :D Everyone here says that there is host grab, are you going to say they also know nothing?

And the topic at hand is Host Grab, not me, so you might want to stick to that topic.