Concepts that look cool.

[Gawain]

You guys are way too concerned with the noobs and catering to new players.
No other mulitplayer has such indepth guides or tutorials.
...
When the student is ready, a master will appear.

most vets that stopped playing scct because of all the bugs etc will come back, so the community will be big enough to have tons of fun. i also think teaching n00bs beyond the basics is pretty useless. if someone already has understood the concept of competitive online gaming, and the will to improve himself instead of calling the vets lamers etc, he will make quite quick progress and hopefully develop his very own style.
however, the main problem in the community is the separation / bad relationship between vets and n00bs. i don't want to see the n00bs on sc lamers or here, but we should learn to respect each other. when ps is ready, a page like ps-singles.net or ps-videos.org would help to improve one's teamplay and show the n00bs that one can have even much greater fun at a higher level of skill (i'm tired of hearing "we don't play to win, we just play to have some fun", and i'm also tired of the dm community being part of scct)
to make my view clear: the tutorial has to cover every gameplay mechanic and maybe a short video for getting an idea of teamplay / getting objectives as the primary goal, but that's it.

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

You guys are way too concerned with the noobs and catering to new players.
No other mulitplayer has such indepth guides or tutorials.
...
When the student is ready, a master will appear.

most vets that stopped playing scct because of all the bugs etc will come back, so the community will be big enough to have tons of fun. i also think teaching n00bs beyond the basics is pretty useless. if someone already has understood the concept of competitive online gaming, and the will to improve himself instead of calling the vets lamers etc, he will make quite quick progress and hopefully develop his very own style.
however, the main problem in the community is the separation / bad relationship between vets and n00bs. i don't want to see the n00bs on sc lamers or here, but we should learn to respect each other. when ps is ready, a page like ps-singles.net or ps-videos.org would help to improve one's teamplay and show the n00bs that one can have even much greater fun at a higher level of skill (i'm tired of hearing "we don't play to win, we just play to have some fun", and i'm also tired of the dm community being part of scct)
to make my view clear: the tutorial has to cover every gameplay mechanic and maybe a short video for getting an idea of teamplay / getting objectives as the primary goal, but that's it.

You're a genious, the vets should play with n00bs though, cuz otherways noobz won't have a chanse to improve
^Just my opinion, don't mind :D

[Spekkio]

Fun fact: you only hear it if the merc is within the radar range, so it acts as a ghetto HB sensor.

Yeah, I totally didn't even know that... I wonder, does that work with default sound or just EAX? cause I've never heard it at all. It sounds probably like another EAX exploit if you ask me, where you're hearing the merc's ping.

But if this is intentional, this is exactly the sort of hidden mechanics we want to avoid with our project. If such a beep exists, the tutorial needs to tell you about it.

In the PC version, it works with or without EAX.

I agree that nothing should be "hidden," but a tutorial that explains everything will still not be that long. As Gawain said, the tutorial merely needs to cover the basics, with emphasis on features that are separate from other FPS games.

You're a genious, the vets should play with n00bs though, cuz otherways noobz won't have a chanse to improve
^Just my opinion, don't mind Cheesy

The only time I kick noobs is if my server requests good players. However, 90% of the time when a player is getting slaughtered they don't even stay for their spy round.

[Gawain]

so you are always the host? ;P
sad but true: if you don't organize a matchup via xfire, hosting or letting your mate host is the best way not to get kicked/flamed all the time and play other maps than aqua/club...

btw in the last time, i joined some "pros only" labeled games, but i pwned them easily and i really don't consider me as a pro. i'd really like an option to ban some n00b permanently who can't read the servername  (and not only 1 fake acc of him).

[goodkebab]

I fully intend to have the more subtle features explained during loading screens.

[Gawain]

I fully intend to have the more subtle features explained during loading screens.

sounds good to me.

[Spekkio]

so you are always the host? ;P
sad but true: if you don't organize a matchup via xfire, hosting or letting your mate host is the best way not to get kicked/flamed all the time and play other maps than aqua/club...

btw in the last time, i joined some "pros only" labeled games, but i pwned them easily and i really don't consider me as a pro. i'd really like an option to ban some n00b permanently who can't read the servername  (and not only 1 fake acc of him).

No, I'm not always the host, but very often I am. It's because the typical routine is:

1. Login with partner. Notice that there are 18 people online
2. Filter out DM servers. Now there are two servers open, one that says "NOOBS ONLY RIFLE" and one that has 400 ping
3. Host my own server since lochang is west coast and euros would lag even more, 20 minute wait ensues before I get game.

On days where I do server hop, it's not uncommon to have 3-4 servers just close down after a beating before we can either find a consistent game or we just get fed up and I host.

[goodkebab]

^^thats usually the case with most skilled players and even more so with teams.

[B1nArY_001]

so you are always the host? ;P
sad but true: if you don't organize a matchup via xfire, hosting or letting your mate host is the best way not to get kicked/flamed all the time and play other maps than aqua/club...

btw in the last time, i joined some "pros only" labeled games, but i pwned them easily and i really don't consider me as a pro. i'd really like an option to ban some n00b permanently who can't read the servername  (and not only 1 fake acc of him).

No, I'm not always the host, but very often I am. It's because the typical routine is:

1. Login with partner. Notice that there are 18 people online
2. Filter out DM servers. Now there are two servers open, one that says "NOOBS ONLY RIFLE" and one that has 400 ping
3. Host my own server since lochang is west coast and euros would lag even more, 20 minute wait ensues before I get game.

On days where I do server hop, it's not uncommon to have 3-4 servers just close down after a beating before we can either find a consistent game or we just get fed up and I host.

That's why I stopped playing CT a year ago. I had gotten so bored with all the waiting and crappy games that I started doing things like 1 merc vs three spies. All the new players always want to be spies and it's entertaining to pwn 3 spies.

[LiVe.To.Di3]

a year ago?! it was fine a year ago lol.. now it starts getting boring towards night time in the usa.

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

a year ago?! it was fine a year ago lol.. now it starts getting boring towards night time in the usa.

Yeah i live in europe, and here if you don't set up a game with some friends, you can as well as not play...
Holy Crap!!!

[LiVe.To.Di3]

yea i know. when i come back from school thats when people start playing and then later i just stop. lmao 12 people online at night

[Tidenburg]

You're a genious, the vets should play with n00bs though, cuz otherways noobz won't have a chanse to improve

I think PS should adapt a truSkill rating like Xbox live. It's a ranking which never goes down (to stop people downgrading) and is not visible to anyone in game. Because its invisible we won't see the competitiveness which comes with ranking system, whereas is also allows us to pit using skill.

You would pit people like this:
@ New Players V New Players
(New players learn basics)
@ New Players V Semi-Advanced
(New players would get slightly better by learning from semi-advanced)
@ Semi-Advanced V Semi Advanced
(Semi advanced players progress)
@ Semi-Advanced V Advanced
and thus the cycles continues, of course players could still play with their friends but this is matchmaking. Also there would never be anyone getting totally thrashed which could put them off the game, also if you want to play experts then you could just have a tolerance setting in the matchmaking options.
I'm basically suggesting you never let the relationship between vets and noobs go bad by not letting that relationship exist at all.

[Gawain]

it would be totally sufficient if some1 teaches the n00bs to read the server name XD

[LiVe.To.Di3]

lmao i make a server NO NOOBS(means no new players) so they can understand. noobs dont know what a noob is unless they played another online game or heard about it, and i still get noobs coming in and saying OH THE SERVER SAID THAT?