The general opinion concerning aggro vs. stealth

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

Yeah, yet the game itself was about stealth, and i think that the spy should never be seen by a merc - if the spy is good enough, anyway ;]

[Gawain]

Yeah, yet the game itself was about stealth, and i think that the spy should never be seen by a merc - if the spy is good enough, anyway ;]

go play sc4 kid

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

Yes, i did play it, and i didnt like it - the spies was not like the ones from PT/CT (wichever u want)...
Besides, i didnt say that the spies shouldnt give away their presence - i said that they shouldnt bee seen. It makes a big difference (for me at least)  ::)

[Lurch]

In order for the game to be fun for mercs, there has to be action. If it's not harder to play full stealth as it is to mix, people would play nothing but full stealth (it's overrated) and mercs wouldn't be as fun to play anymore.

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

lol sry didnt take that into account -> my fault.
But then we must say that the mix is just the best, cuz every1 plays as a spy, and next as a merc, wich now makes me think that we should make new moves for the mercs :P

[InvisibleMan999]

In order for the game to be fun for mercs, there has to be action. If it's not harder to play full stealth as it is to mix, people would play nothing but full stealth (it's overrated) and mercs wouldn't be as fun to play anymore.

Well, there is going to be action. Even full stealth spies need to give themselves away when they plant bombs or hack something. Full stealth is an infiltration style.

[Gawain]

only bad mercs feel bored playing against stealth freaks. there's so much one can do, like cycling through camnet etc and it gets more suspensful with the time nothing happens. if i want shooter action, i won't go for scct

[Valserp]

only bad mercs feel bored playing against stealth freaks. there's so much one can do, like cycling through camnet etc and it gets more suspensful with the time nothing happens. if i want shooter action, i won't go for scct

Every merc feels bored after 3 minutes of non-action.

Like what about those spies that wait for you to move away from a door for the whole round? GMO CAMPER!
There should always be a little bit of conflict - that's what multiplayer games are about.

[LiVe.To.Di3]

yea i usually get bored after non3 minute action but then when lets say tea is suddenly being hacked the game starts to take action and you wonder to yourself how did the spies get in there when you were guarding it lol.. you just cannot get bored even though many do.. once you get bored and sit in a spot and just wait for the spies to come to you then you will lose the game. Anyways, i actually think merc is very fun even if just roaming maps around.

[Gawain]

no good stealth team would waste 3 minutes. there's a simple solution: don't play with n00bs ;P
but you're right, a multiplayer game is all about interaction. but i'd rather loose to a stealth team than to an aggro team because i always get the "wow, wtf" feeling ;)
don't forget that stealth is a way of infiltration, once the hacking begins there will be action...

[Valserp]

no good stealth team would waste 3 minutes. there's a simple solution: don't play with n00bs ;P

Yes, because good stealth teams sacrifice being detected in order to gain some time. They just exploit the detection by trying to confuse the merc on what they are doing and leaving fake traces.
Otherwise, getting to an objective from spawn, without being detected at all, usually takes up to 3 minutes(never less than 2:30), shitloads of concentration and pinch of luck(I'm talking about open maps here, don't think Missile Strike).

[Gui Brazil]

Back when NvD was in -DoD and we played more often, I remember that, he'd annoy me to death, simply cause I wouldn't know where he was, until it was already too late. Being Stealthy, is not wasting 10 minutes to reach an obj, is being able to get somewhere quickly and maybe, having your mate to cover your way by distracting the mercs too.

EDIT: NvD is NeVerDown for the ones that don't know.

[Spekkio]

The 3 min stealth is usually pretty predictable...

Ok, I haven't seen him on camnet, nor my patrol, nor my partner's patrol. That leaves only 1-2 areas where the spies could be. Valserp hit it right on the head -- you need to make distractions.

[InvisibleMan999]

Every merc feels bored after 3 minutes of non-action.

Like what about those spies that wait for you to move away from a door for the whole round? GMO CAMPER!
There should always be a little bit of conflict - that's what multiplayer games are about.

Well, since spies dictate the action, you can't eliminate this. IF the spies want to be slow and deliberate, then there's really nothing you can do besides just let the timer beat them. A good spy team is going to always be watching that clock.

Aside from that, there's no counter to camping.

Let me also say that it's this thinking that led to DA and the PD/drones. Mercs got sick of sitting around against stealth spies and wanted to go kill them in vents and such. We know how that turned out.

[Overstatement]

I say everything is perfect and those who think otherwise need to play some Disk Hunt and stop being such Story whores.