For computer builders :P

[LennardF1989]

Looks far too expensive for the parts. Also, I'd avoid an SSD seeing as you're on a budget, because once you've started up you're going to barely notice a difference. There's gonna be better and cheaper ones soon.

HE's not going for the SSD.

The theory behind it is to spend a little more than you would have and it makes upgrading easier.

For example: He originally had a 5770 for about 99 pounds. A 5770 in Crossfire (as in, 2x99 pounds) is LESS powerful than one 5850 OC edition priced at 198. Besides, the price on that card is dropping like an idiot due to newer series coming up, so eventually you can have another in Crossfire setup and since he has bought the 890FX chipset motherboard, they both will be 16x lanes = taking full potential of multi-gpu.

Second, he originally had 2x2GB 1333mhz cards for about 60 pounds, he now has 3x2GB for 70 pounds 1600mhz, the motherboard supports dual channel memory.

Third, he first had a samsung harddrive about the same price, with only 32mb cache, whereas 64MB really makes a difference (and come one, Samsung for an HDD?! Western Digital FTW!)

Fourth, the PSU went from 600 to 850 for the sake of upgrading and it's more safe, too. Besides, it has modular cables which is nice.

Last but not least, he first had a fugly 25 pounds case to put all those nice components in...

He also had a soundcard because he thoguh he'd otherwise won't have sound... which was another 100 pounds, so we got rid of useless components and put back some better ones. This system can last for years if you spend some money on it from time to time.

[frvge]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

I planned my PC to have dual GPU. Now, 2.5 years later, I still get like 250W on my single GPU system. My PSU was bought with upgradability in mind, but is now underperforming because of it's 850W.

The only think I 'upgraded' was getting hardware RAID and an SSD. My gfx card broke down, so I'm now stuck with an 8800 GTS which I planned to last till last December, but now I'm probably keeping it till I get a new PC.

And IMO you need a good sound card. Really makes a difference when you have a good headset. Xonar DX is a good card for its price. I'm biased, because I have that one too, but still...

[DreadStunLock]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

I planned my PC to have dual GPU. Now, 2.5 years later, I still get like 250W on my single GPU system. My PSU was bought with upgradability in mind, but is now underperforming because of it's 850W.

The only think I 'upgraded' was getting hardware RAID and an SSD. My gfx card broke down, so I'm now stuck with an 8800 GTS which I planned to last till last December, but now I'm probably keeping it till I get a new PC.

And IMO you need a good sound card. Really makes a difference when you have a good headset. Xonar DX is a good card for its price. I'm biased, because I have that one too, but still...

I am not a sound loving person, mostly for me is jut being able to play a game with a good framerate and just sound, I will upgrade it that for sure, since I am a computer parts loving addict or w/e :P

[LennardF1989]

Coming with a soundcard, as you said, also comes an expensive headset/headphone. I've never used external soundcards so can't say I miss it too and since his target budget including a monitor was 1000 pounds, the first thing to drop would be the soundcard as he wouldn't have the money for a proper headset anyway (considering he likes using headsets).

I made the choices because Dread made clear he wants to be able to replace parts easily and since Dread isn't someone who buys a new pc every 2 years but rather put's something new in his system, it has to last. Upgrades are future investements, so I think it's good to invest a little more now to make it cheaper in the future. If he would stick with 600 watts and the cheaper motherboard and buy a second 5850 in the future, he has to pay an extra 120 pounds to replace the old PSU (not too mention redo the cables) and can't use the multi-gpu at his best. So compared to those costs, 100 pounds more ins't a lot and still well within budget (considering the screen he had in mind is no more than 150).

[DreadStunLock]

At first I kept every part not more than 200Ã,£, but then once I saw the prices are quite low I downed it a bit to 150 or so, some exceptions to graphic card because that bitch is just worth to spend a lot, since it's going to stay for a long time too.

[Gawain]

...or you could just buy a mac and save yourself the trouble.

[monterto]

Rambo is right, Macs just work.

[DreadStunLock]

...or you could just buy a mac and save yourself the trouble.

Never liked Macs for their idiotic way of mouses only having 1 button, total bullshit.

[Gawain]

Never liked Macs for their idiotic way of mouses only having 1 button, total bullshit.

that was ages ago. now there's not only right-click, but multitouch.
i have to admit though, you gotta use a third-party mouse and an acceleration curve fix if you don't wanna go mad playing games xD

[DreadStunLock]

Never liked Macs for their idiotic way of mouses only having 1 button, total bullshit.

that was ages ago. now there's not only right-click, but multitouch.
i have to admit though, you gotta use a third-party mouse and an acceleration curve fix if you don't wanna go mad playing games xD

Microsoft and Windows are the one for me, not complicated, basic layout, no bullshit with different looking windows and crap like that, as well as it's such a piss when you want to switch different windows it pops when you don't want it to.

[I <3 U]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

Agreed, I bought an 8800GTS and an SLI board and thought if I needed more power I could just whack another one in. Couple years down the line, when I'm beginning to need more power and they don't even sell them anymore/they are ridiculously priced.

Cant even upgrade my GFX card (properly) now without having to get a new motherboard! I've never upgraded my computer, just ended up buying new ones and building them from scratch again. To actually be able to keep a computer for *years* and it still be decent and upgradeable you basically have to be upgrading more regularly than you'd like. Guarentee if you don't upgrade for a few years like I did, if you want a newer graphics card it wont be as simple as just buying another one, probably end up having to buy other shit too.

[DreadStunLock]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

Agreed, I bought an 8800GTS and an SLI board and thought if I needed more power I could just whack another one in. Couple years down the line, when I'm beginning to need more power and they don't even sell them anymore/they are ridiculously priced.

Cant even upgrade my GFX card (properly) now without having to get a new motherboard! I've never upgraded my computer, just ended up buying new ones and building them from scratch again. To actually be able to keep a computer for *years* and it still be decent and upgradeable you basically have to be upgrading more regularly than you'd like. Guarentee if you don't upgrade for a few years like I did, if you want a newer graphics card it wont be as simple as just buying another one, probably end up having to buy other shit too.

Well that is your problem not mine :)

[AgentX_003]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

Agreed, I bought an 8800GTS and an SLI board and thought if I needed more power I could just whack another one in. Couple years down the line, when I'm beginning to need more power and they don't even sell them anymore/they are ridiculously priced.

Cant even upgrade my GFX card (properly) now without having to get a new motherboard! I've never upgraded my computer, just ended up buying new ones and building them from scratch again. To actually be able to keep a computer for *years* and it still be decent and upgradeable you basically have to be upgrading more regularly than you'd like. Guarentee if you don't upgrade for a few years like I did, if you want a newer graphics card it wont be as simple as just buying another one, probably end up having to buy other shit too.

WRONG. Once your up to date with PCI-Express / an up to date motherboard and you have a really good processor in ram, the only thing youll ever have to change once in a while is the graphics card.

[DreadStunLock]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

Agreed, I bought an 8800GTS and an SLI board and thought if I needed more power I could just whack another one in. Couple years down the line, when I'm beginning to need more power and they don't even sell them anymore/they are ridiculously priced.

Cant even upgrade my GFX card (properly) now without having to get a new motherboard! I've never upgraded my computer, just ended up buying new ones and building them from scratch again. To actually be able to keep a computer for *years* and it still be decent and upgradeable you basically have to be upgrading more regularly than you'd like. Guarentee if you don't upgrade for a few years like I did, if you want a newer graphics card it wont be as simple as just buying another one, probably end up having to buy other shit too.

WRONG. Once your up to date with PCI-Express / an up to date motherboard and you have a really good processor in ram, the only thing youll ever have to change once in a while is the graphics card.

Good processor in ram?

Dude not everyone can get the stuff you just asked, + all of that stuff gets updated and can get changed drastically, this is not an Xbox360/PS3.

[AgentX_003]

I disagree with some of your choices. They are based on the premise that you're going to upgrade. In practice, you don't.

Agreed, I bought an 8800GTS and an SLI board and thought if I needed more power I could just whack another one in. Couple years down the line, when I'm beginning to need more power and they don't even sell them anymore/they are ridiculously priced.

Cant even upgrade my GFX card (properly) now without having to get a new motherboard! I've never upgraded my computer, just ended up buying new ones and building them from scratch again. To actually be able to keep a computer for *years* and it still be decent and upgradeable you basically have to be upgrading more regularly than you'd like. Guarentee if you don't upgrade for a few years like I did, if you want a newer graphics card it wont be as simple as just buying another one, probably end up having to buy other shit too.

WRONG. Once your up to date with PCI-Express / an up to date motherboard and you have a really good processor in ram, the only thing youll ever have to change once in a while is the graphics card.

Good processor in ram?

Dude not everyone can get the stuff you just asked, + all of that stuff gets updated and can get changed drastically, this is not an Xbox360/PS3.

Yes I know noob , im talking say buy an i5 or quadcore for cheap , then use that for a while , wait for an 8 core to come out and voila because I myself for instance, have had just a dual core computer
with the highest of processors that you can get for that platform and the only thing i had to remotely upgrade was the graphics card, thats how you play things smart and not have to upgrade time and time again.