Square Enix PROBABLY just earned another 1.000,000 if not more.

[Farley4Fan]

Where did I say stealing Spek?

[DreadStunLock]

Where did I say stealing Spek?

I think we need to ask our friend Frvge to make every community member here to pay 30 bucks for release of Project Stealth while he purposesly posts a torrent of it, and then you can torrent it and try to blab him smart ass bullshit words that it's not stealing, cause so far,all you guys are trying to do is use smart ass words to say that downloading a game through a torrent is not thievery -.-

[frvge]

It's not. It's missed income / income deprivation.

[Cronky]

[DreadStunLock]

Such a troll Cronky :P

[Cronky]

That may have been more of a funny post, but it still has a little bit of a point. Those three things in the picture are lumped together under the banner of "piracy" when each one has a obvious difference to any other one in the line. Digital media can't be STOLEN in the same sense that we imagine a TV being stolen. Downloading a game, movie, program, or etc. does not limit anyone else from legitimately buying a copy. It DOES potentially lose the developer, publisher, and distributor from money they rightfully worked for. ...Unless someone happens upon a license key that was meant for someone else, but that problem has been alleviated since the first "Crack" came out.

What I always see when this topic comes up in other places is: Do those people actually deserve the money they are making you pay for their game (assuming you aren't buying it used)? Is Duke Nukem Forever worth 60 bucks? Sure it has a LOT of work put into it, but when you play a game you don't care about how much work went into each and every piece of the game. You base it off if it's actually fun. I don't go to a restaurant, order a steak, and when it comes out more char than actual meat go "Well someone probably put a lot of work into this" and deal it with. If I wanted burnt meat I would have just tried to make it myself, for less.

Will I still buy Deus Ex even though I downloaded the leaked version? Yeah! It invested me into the game more than trailers and gameplay videos ever did (as a demo should). I'm actually curious as to where the story is going to go, and how my choices and "abilities" will be used in later levels (again, as a demo should). It's a game that seems worth paying full, new game price for so that I can play it when it first comes out, rather than waiting till it hits a bargain bin.

Will I buy Duke Nukem Forever? Probably not till steam has it on sale for like 5 bucks.

[knooger]

Yeah, I am bored explaining it as well.

Go to any game company, bring your laptop and show them you are torrenting their game, and good luck not getting jailed.

LOL, they could just suck my dick. Getting jailed for pirating games n1 joke. ;D I know a guy who uploaded more pirated gigabytes than your hdd's size, after all he had to pay a lot of money. :>

Torrenting is dangerous.

Actually it's not, you need Peerguardian and brain.

Yeah, simply and easily.

A guy got jailed for 10 years on BBC news for being caught torrenting and owning pirated and cracked versions of 3D modelling software and drawing.

Well, it was either 10,000,000£ or 10 years in prison.

I don't really believe in such a news and I don't care it's BBC, media lies so much. Actually without pirated proffessional software is good for young people, they can learn a program that they will probably work with in future. Well, sharing that is still illegal :/

[DreadStunLock]

Yeah, I am bored explaining it as well.

Go to any game company, bring your laptop and show them you are torrenting their game, and good luck not getting jailed.

LOL, they could just suck my dick. Getting jailed for pirating games n1 joke. ;D I know a guy who uploaded more pirated gigabytes than your hdd's size, after all he had to pay a lot of money. :>

Torrenting is dangerous.

Actually it's not, you need Peerguardian and brain.

Yeah, simply and easily.

A guy got jailed for 10 years on BBC news for being caught torrenting and owning pirated and cracked versions of 3D modelling software and drawing.

Well, it was either 10,000,000£ or 10 years in prison.

I don't really believe in such a news and I don't care it's BBC, media lies so much. Actually without pirated proffessional software is good for young people, they can learn a program that they will probably work with in future. Well, sharing that is still illegal :/

How would you know what's lies and what's not? And how do I know that your friend even exists?

[Tidenburg]

Torrenting is dangerous.

Actually it's not, you need Peerguardian and brain.

Funny, because only people without brains and a massive misunderstanding of how torrenting works think peer gaurdian works.

Direct download everything. If you HAVE to use a torrent, public is probably the worst way you could go.

[knooger]

Funny, because only people without brains and a massive misunderstanding of how torrenting works think peer gaurdian works.

Direct download everything. If you HAVE to use a torrent, public is probably the worst way you could go.

Actually I didn't say if you're using peerguardian then you're 100% safe, I don't even remember when I used torrent last time... it's probably more than 2years now. I don't even direct download so much, no sense in doing that.

[Spekkio]

That may have been more of a funny post, but it still has a little bit of a point. Those three things in the picture are lumped together under the banner of "piracy" when each one has a obvious difference to any other one in the line. Digital media can't be STOLEN in the same sense that we imagine a TV being stolen. Downloading a game, movie, program, or etc. does not limit anyone else from legitimately buying a copy. It DOES potentially lose the developer, publisher, and distributor from money they rightfully worked for. ...Unless someone happens upon a license key that was meant for someone else, but that problem has been alleviated since the first "Crack" came out.

What I always see when this topic comes up in other places is: Do those people actually deserve the money they are making you pay for their game (assuming you aren't buying it used)? Is Duke Nukem Forever worth 60 bucks? Sure it has a LOT of work put into it, but when you play a game you don't care about how much work went into each and every piece of the game. You base it off if it's actually fun. I don't go to a restaurant, order a steak, and when it comes out more char than actual meat go "Well someone probably put a lot of work into this" and deal it with. If I wanted burnt meat I would have just tried to make it myself, for less.

Will I still buy Deus Ex even though I downloaded the leaked version? Yeah! It invested me into the game more than trailers and gameplay videos ever did (as a demo should). I'm actually curious as to where the story is going to go, and how my choices and "abilities" will be used in later levels (again, as a demo should). It's a game that seems worth paying full, new game price for so that I can play it when it first comes out, rather than waiting till it hits a bargain bin.

Will I buy Duke Nukem Forever? Probably not till steam has it on sale for like 5 bucks.

+1

The definition of stealing involves taking someone's property without permission. In the case of downloading media, you are taking something with the implied permission of the person sharing the media. The only person's permission you don't have is the one who made the game, but they already sold it to customers.  Then media companies retort by saying that buyers don't actually own the media; they only own that specific storage device (eg, DVD, CD, etc).  Next, media companies point to convoluded user agreements saying "see, he agreed that he doesn't actually own our software or get to share it with anyone; he just gets to use it!."

Additionally, you kind of hit around the point that if game developers sold their products at the real market price, the people who try to turn a profit from piracy wouldn't be able to. There is a price point where the vast majority of the population would rather purchase a legitimate copy of the media rather than take their chances with a $5 home burnt DVD/CD. Clearly $25 for a new release Blu-Ray and $60 for video games is too high and makes piracy highly desirable. Perhaps $10 per Blu-Ray and $40 per video game would make piracy much less desirable.

[Farley4Fan]

I think I know why you disagreed with what I said Spek, you misunderstood me.  I meant bad, as in illegal.  Not immoral or "stealing".  I don't think it's wrong.   The suits will hit uploaders harder than downloaders, that's all I was saying.

[knooger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

[Spark Mandriller]

Such a troll Cronky :P

He's educating you.


Take your education, boy. Take itttttttt.

[Cronky]

My friend on the other hand, has a different view...
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Dread
Did you hear about Square Enix and the "leaked" Deus Ex: Human Revolution? I think Square Enix just earned another 1,000,000$ from that leak, everyone who got it are spamming on the forums saying how much they like it, you think Square Enix is overreacting a bit?
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Sony Producer: Leaks are serious business.
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Dread: Understandable, but now they have most of the community commenting on it, most of them were praising the game, and since it's not that close to release date, they even have time to do more tweaks.
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Sony Producer: yeah but if all those people stole it once, why wouldn't they steal it again?
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Dread: That's up to Square Enix if they will bother making a good security feature. My only bet is to make a copy of something similiar to Battle.Net like Blizzard.
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Sony Producer: No it's not really up to SE. Of course they need to protect themselves but it's up to the people to choose not to be thieves, ESPECIALLY if they like the product. Do they really think stealing will help get similar titles produced later? I've never understood that...
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Dread: Well, I just hope that a lot of them will buy the game, I reall wish to see DX:HR strive the same way like ME2 did.

I bold the part that we've talked about before. Battle.Net like "Security" wouldn't work for a Single Player game like it does with blizzard's wave of -crafts and Diablo. Yes, they have Single Player components like Deus Ex will, but the purpose of battle.net back then was to stop people from using the important feature of the game... Online.

Ubisoft has made a Single Player equivalent to Battle.Net with their "Connect to our server while you play the game", and everyone hated it. Some because you needed a constant connection to the internet to play, others because when Ubisoft's servers went down... so did everyone's ability to play their legitimately paid for game. Granted that isn't the only way they could have done that particular check to see if you were all legit, but it was the closest thing that compares to Blizzard's Battle.Net stuff.