New idea for Sticky Cams

[Horny_Hamster]

Now that the subject is hitting on ideas about MT. I would like to see a power bar incorporated with the use of MT and EMF that will run down to prevent whoring. Whether or not the power can be restored by turning it off and letting it recharge, backpack or stationary power box (ie. health/power box) is another idea.

[Gawain]

when i first read your post i liked the idea of a self recharging power bar for visions etc.
but this would result in huge gameplay changes. for example, flash bangs would get way stronger. if we do this, mt and emf must even get a boost to keep the balance, because now you have to time even better when to use which vision.

[InvisibleMan999]

Now that the subject is hitting on ideas about MT. I would like to see a power bar incorporated with the use of MT and EMF that will run down to prevent whoring. Whether or not the power can be restored by turning it off and letting it recharge, backpack or stationary power box (ie. health/power box) is another idea.

Well you honestly don't need to nerf EMF at all. If people want to whore EMF that's not even a big deal, because a spy can evade EMF. You can very well get through levels without changing visions or pulling out your gun. What you can't do is get through the level without moving. I could see putting MT on a timer, but definitely not EMF. Let people use EMF as much as they want.

It would be interesting doing that with MT, it'd force people to just use when they're getting aggroed, which may actually be a good idea for a fix.

[Overstatement]

I think you want to "force" as little as possible. In any places you can replace a programmed limit with a gameplay limit, you should do it. So you shouldn't use visions all the time not because "your battery will run out" but because "using multiple visions/flashlight will give you the most complete picture".

[Gawain]

I think you want to "force" as little as possible. In any places you can replace a programmed limit with a gameplay limit, you should do it. So you shouldn't use visions all the time not because "your battery will run out" but because "using multiple visions/flashlight will give you the most complete picture".

affirmative.

[InvisibleMan999]

I think you want to "force" as little as possible. In any places you can replace a programmed limit with a gameplay limit, you should do it. So you shouldn't use visions all the time not because "your battery will run out" but because "using multiple visions/flashlight will give you the most complete picture".

Well, currently against an MT whore, you're basically "forced" to shock the merc if you want to get by him.

While I don't 100% like the idea of a timer (as it can get frustrating running out at a crucial moment), it may be an easily codable fix to MT, and it would prevent MT whoring, though through a somewhat iron fisted approach.

Then MT would basically be accepted as the "best" vision, you just couldn't use it all the time.

[Gawain]

you folks don't get it, there are other solutions than shocking the merc. it's equally hard to bypass a merc in normal vision. why do you think that most good players use all three visions??
normal post render would be a sufficient fix alone...

[InvisibleMan999]

you folks don't get it, there are other solutions than shocking the merc. it's equally hard to bypass a merc in normal vision.

No, it's really not. You can wait for a merc to turn his back in normal vision and just fast crouch by. You can also use shadows against normal vision.

Against MT, you're flat out just screwed. The moment you start moving, even if it's a good ways away, you get hit with the grey box of doom.

I'm not just complaining because people detect me with MT, I'm a motion whore of the worst kind, and that's even on xbox (where there is no high quality post render). MT is incredible. It basically means you don't even have to look for the spy, the game just tells you where the spy is. Unless he wants to try to move really slow and then just prays you don't see him on night vision. And even on the low resolution xbox with normal post render, you can still see spies fairly easy at medium to close range with MT night vision. You can't snipe across the level in MT like you can on the PC, but it's really not that big a difference once you get used to spotting out of place red outlines.

A lot of times I'll deliberately have my back to where I think the spies are, so they can't see I'm in MT. Then just wait for the MT sound before quick turning.

[Overstatement]

Lets continue this conversation after PS comes out.

[Gawain]

with good movement and camo skills, mt whoring is quite beatable. the funny thing is that most mt whores can't imagine how one can bypass them undetected and play way too arrogantly.

And even on the low resolution xbox with normal post render, you can still see spies fairly easy at medium to close range with MT night vision. You can't snipe across the level in MT like you can on the PC, but it's really not that big a difference once you get used to spotting out of place red outlines.

according to most complaints, mt is mainly a problem in big open areas. just try playing some games on steel squat with mt whoring (normal post render!) and with normal vision whoring (opponents not allowed to use flash). if you play against a team with good movement, you will notice that normal(/emf) vision is superior in more than 50% of the situations.

[Spekkio]

I love this forum. Threads devolve into either flamewars between PC and console, or how MT is this magic ability that nukes spies as soon as they set foot in the map.

[Overstatement]

I love this forum. Threads devolve into either flamewars between PC and console, or how MT is this magic ability that nukes spies as soon as they set foot in the map.

You are totally feeding the fire.

[Farley4Fan]

Spekkio, didn't you just say that in another thread?

[Gawain]

I love this forum. Threads devolve into either flamewars between PC and console, or how MT is this magic ability that nukes spies as soon as they set foot in the map.

You are totally feeding the fire.

i also have to hold back myself from getting sarcastic. we have an independet thread on mt, and everything on it has already been said 999999 times ::)

Spekkio, didn't you just say that in another thread?

it makes no difference, the discussions aren't on the thread's topic anyway.

[Spekkio]

I love this forum. Threads devolve into either flamewars between PC and console, or how MT is this magic ability that nukes spies as soon as they set foot in the map.

You are totally feeding the fire.

I know.