Ever since this Mod started has Ubi pressured you guys at all to release the game or make a partner ship ?
the reason im asking this because i got some stocks in ubi and they dont say what they buy or sell
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 06, 2008, 03:28:58 AM
Ever since this Mod started has Ubi pressured you guys at all to release the game or make a partner ship ?
the reason im asking this because i got some stocks in ubi and they dont say what they buy or sell
no, most of ubisoft employees doesn't even know PS
True, but I'm sure a lot of them do know what it is. Otherwise they wouldn't have had their mods at ubi bring the ban hammer on anyone that utters the words "Project Stealth". But I'm sure that this atleast shows them that people still want SvM, they want a classic style SvM. Just maybe they'll see the success of this mod (if it succeeds of course, which it looks like it should to some extent), and maybe take another shot at SvM - then our guys won't have to lift a finger for another Project Stealth (unless they want to ofc) ;D
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 06, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
True, but I'm sure a lot of them do know what it is. Otherwise they wouldn't have had their mods at ubi bring the ban hammer on anyone that utters the words "Project Stealth". But I'm sure that this atleast shows them that people still want SvM, they want a classic style SvM. Just maybe they'll see the success of this mod (if it succeeds of course, which it looks like it should to some extent), and maybe take another shot at SvM - then our guys won't have to lift a finger for another Project Stealth (unless they want to ofc) ;D
The Ubisoft forums aren't the global Ubi employees. Their eyes are on their work, not on a mod or their forum, they have specific guys for that and they aren't spreading this kind of info all around the studio.
I already ask the question to a few of them and they do not have a clue of what PS is and they do not really care. The only thing that could matter is the competitive side of talking of PS on CT forum... what is dumb. You can't make publicity on Dev forums the same way you are not going to convince people to buy conviction here or MGS. It's respect...
Quote from: Hyrage on May 06, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 06, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
True, but I'm sure a lot of them do know what it is. Otherwise they wouldn't have had their mods at ubi bring the ban hammer on anyone that utters the words "Project Stealth". But I'm sure that this atleast shows them that people still want SvM, they want a classic style SvM. Just maybe they'll see the success of this mod (if it succeeds of course, which it looks like it should to some extent), and maybe take another shot at SvM - then our guys won't have to lift a finger for another Project Stealth (unless they want to ofc) ;D
The Ubisoft forums aren't the global Ubi employees. Their eyes are on their work, not on a mod or their forum, they have specific guys for that and they aren't spreading this kind of info all around the studio.
I already ask the question to a few of them and they do not have a clue of what PS is and they do not really care. The only thing that could matter is the competitive side of talking of PS on CT forum... what is dumb. You can't make publicity on Dev forums the same way you are not going to convince people to buy conviction here or MGS. It's respect...
I see, don't know how I didn't hear about this. But do some of the mods who talk to the devs know about PS? Like Rhoulette? I know she retired or whatever but just an example...
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 06, 2008, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: Hyrage on May 06, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 06, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
True, but I'm sure a lot of them do know what it is. Otherwise they wouldn't have had their mods at ubi bring the ban hammer on anyone that utters the words "Project Stealth". But I'm sure that this atleast shows them that people still want SvM, they want a classic style SvM. Just maybe they'll see the success of this mod (if it succeeds of course, which it looks like it should to some extent), and maybe take another shot at SvM - then our guys won't have to lift a finger for another Project Stealth (unless they want to ofc) ;D
The Ubisoft forums aren't the global Ubi employees. Their eyes are on their work, not on a mod or their forum, they have specific guys for that and they aren't spreading this kind of info all around the studio.
I already ask the question to a few of them and they do not have a clue of what PS is and they do not really care. The only thing that could matter is the competitive side of talking of PS on CT forum... what is dumb. You can't make publicity on Dev forums the same way you are not going to convince people to buy conviction here or MGS. It's respect...
I see, don't know how I didn't hear about this. But do some of the mods who talk to the devs know about PS? Like Rhoulette? I know she retired or whatever but just an example...
As I said, only a few of them heard about PS [Ubi moderators and a few eployees who enjoyed the Ubi forum I guess].
I hope you didn't think that they all knew what PS is, they do not really care except if your game is MGS 5. PS isn't a threat for them or something they could want to promote, etc.
We have no relations to UBI.
We were investigated by UBI for possible copyright infringements and were banned from their forums, but that was later resolved. We are no longer banned and they have not informed us of any legal issues.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 06, 2008, 07:09:32 PM
We have no relations to UBI.
We were investigated by UBI for possible copyright infringements and were banned from their forums, but that was later resolved. We are no longer banned and they have not informed us of any legal issues.
The greatest thing :D
Quote from: Hyrage on May 06, 2008, 06:26:29 PM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 06, 2008, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: Hyrage on May 06, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 06, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
True, but I'm sure a lot of them do know what it is. Otherwise they wouldn't have had their mods at ubi bring the ban hammer on anyone that utters the words "Project Stealth". But I'm sure that this atleast shows them that people still want SvM, they want a classic style SvM. Just maybe they'll see the success of this mod (if it succeeds of course, which it looks like it should to some extent), and maybe take another shot at SvM - then our guys won't have to lift a finger for another Project Stealth (unless they want to ofc) ;D
The Ubisoft forums aren't the global Ubi employees. Their eyes are on their work, not on a mod or their forum, they have specific guys for that and they aren't spreading this kind of info all around the studio.
I already ask the question to a few of them and they do not have a clue of what PS is and they do not really care. The only thing that could matter is the competitive side of talking of PS on CT forum... what is dumb. You can't make publicity on Dev forums the same way you are not going to convince people to buy conviction here or MGS. It's respect...
I see, don't know how I didn't hear about this. But do some of the mods who talk to the devs know about PS? Like Rhoulette? I know she retired or whatever but just an example...
As I said, only a few of them heard about PS [Ubi moderators and a few eployees who enjoyed the Ubi forum I guess].
I hope you didn't think that they all knew what PS is, they do not really care except if your game is MGS 5. PS isn't a threat for them or something they could want to promote, etc.
I didn't think that. I said that if PS succeeds in giving the people what they want, Classic SvM, then Ubi might see the success of project stealth and realize that people still want to play SvM. Then all Ubi employees will know about it, if it is a great mod that has a lot of players etc.
Btw, I still haven't been unbanned at Ubi for talking about PS. Not that I want to go back there or anything. :D
UBI legal team knows about us, and the Community Managers know about us. Even individual employees working on Convictions know about us.
But if a vast majorty of SvM fans dont know about PS how will you adv for this game besides the internet ?
That's basically the only way ANYONE advertises other than TV commercials. And how will the devs advertise a free mod on TV while they aren't making any profit to pay for the ads? The only way will be through the internet and if the mod is good then people will hear about it very quickly.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 06, 2008, 11:56:09 PM
UBI legal team knows about us, and the Community Managers know about us. Even individual employees working on Convictions know about us.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
not so sure about this one ;D, at least...
my friend is working on this game and he didn't know a thing about PS until I show him what PS is. What means, if PS was such promising and disturbing... the word should have been spread among the team, but this isn't the case. They aren't that much preoccupied by their customers as I can see or even the Splinter Cell or Stealth Action fans.
I do not see any reason to have Conviction employees interested in PS if both games are totally different and using totally two different stealth approaches.
But who knows, maybe there is more people than I know that knows about PS at Ubisoft... more than 1500 employess is a lot of people.
If Goodkebab says it's true then it must be so! >:(
Why doubt it so heavily? If you made game mode that a lot of people liked, then you fucked it up, then they got pissed, then you dropped the idea, then people took the idea into their own hands, don't you think you'd be interested in that?
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 07, 2008, 06:25:20 AM
If Goodkebab says it's true then it must be so! >:(
Why doubt it so heavily? If you made game mode that a lot of people liked, then you fucked it up, then they got pissed, then you dropped the idea, then people took the idea into their own hands, don't you think you'd be interested in that?
Because I doubt he is working for and/or with them. I personally knows people working on annanoncced projectS , Conviction, Campus Ubisoft and Ubi Maroc... and they do not have a clue of what PS is.
For sure, this could have an impact: "Stop fleeing away from PT style and listen to your fans".
Don't you think that the lead developer of Project Stealth has had some communication with the company that is trying to sue him/shut down his project? He had to be in communication with them, right Kebab? Anyways, I'm sure there are some guys at Ubi that have heard of PS and realized that there are some people who'd welcome another SvM. Probably not the majority of them, obviously.
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 07, 2008, 06:29:45 AM
Don't you think that the lead developer of Project Stealth has had some communication with the company that is trying to sue him/shut down his project? He had to be in communication with them, right Kebab? Anyways, I'm sure there are some guys at Ubi that have heard of PS and realized that there are some people who'd welcome another SvM. Probably not the majority of them, obviously.
If they talked about intellectual property, the only ones concerned are the bosses. Any other employees will not be advertise of this issue - no reason.
Ubisoft wouldn't be that much concerned about a "splinter cell" similar or rival if their actual Splinter Cell just move on in term of design and is way more concerned about AI interactivity than hiding in the shadows.
Keep that in mind, because theorically it should also affect the multiplayer. Unfortunately there are things I know that I can't discuss about.
The Only way the PS could worry Ubi is if it was copying SC (what isn't the case) or if it was the only good multiplayer style that suit to Splinter Cell [what would mean that if COnviction is using a different multiplayer style than CT it could be the wrong way].
That's what I'm saying. Say this mod is successful (which it should be), and plenty of people play it online. Don't you think Ubi is gonna go: "Damn, we let something great slip away. Should we try and bring it back ourselves?" It's gonna make them want to make it again I bet, unless their garbage crowd multiplayer is successful. ::)
Btw, who knows how far Conviction got pushed back? I heard this March, but it's past march obviously, and then I heard October. Not sure.
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 07, 2008, 06:45:41 AM
That's what I'm saying. Say this mod is successful (which it should be), and plenty of people play it online. Don't you think Ubi is gonna go: "Damn, we let something great slip away. Should we try and bring it back ourselves?" It's gonna make them want to make it again I bet, unless their garbage crowd multiplayer is successful. ::)
Btw, who knows how far Conviction got pushed back? I heard this March, but it's past march obviously, and then I heard October. Not sure.
Don't know ::)
By the fact they have all the intellectual right on PT and CT, thay can go back with this style anytime, but when you are working for the same damn game all over and over again, you need some change sometimes. I guess this is why thay changed the forumla for Conviction, but also for another reason... but it's too much secret LOL - kidding
You know, one of the major problem is that the Devs listen sometimes too much the Marketing Stats guys instead of their Designers. So when it comes to Game Design, it can easily messed up many projects.
A few people can't difference Great Popularity (=)caused by "Great Publicity", "Great Reknowned Franchise [fan base]" or a "Great Product". This is a huge problem... statistics can't show that, the Designers can.
Pretty sure kebab wasn't getting sued for anything. He was put on notice for copyright infringement, which if was true he would have been in a heap of trouble. Even then, I don't even believe he would have been put on notice because copying game styles is considered Fair Use. There was never a case against them, but the mods on the UBI forums tried to make it a big deal because the game wasn't ZOMG CONVICTIONS!!!
http://www.lib.uconn.edu/copyright/
There are a lot of holes and shit in copyright. This site I have found to be excellent if you actually have real questions about it. Use it for personal things as well.
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 07, 2008, 06:45:41 AM
That's what I'm saying. Say this mod is successful (which it should be), and plenty of people play it online. Don't you think Ubi is gonna go: "Damn, we let something great slip away. Should we try and bring it back ourselves?" It's gonna make them want to make it again I bet, unless their garbage crowd multiplayer is successful. ::)
Btw, who knows how far Conviction got pushed back? I heard this March, but it's past march obviously, and then I heard October. Not sure.
You know what? I would totally love if Ubisoft could learn something from PS. To be honest, I love Ubisoft as much as I hate it, what results in a complete duality. They made incredible stuff during the past year as much as they took many bad decisions that can be frustrating for many players and fans.
AC - so much repetitive
Splinter Cell DA - far away from PT essence
Rainbow Six Vegas - 3rd person breaking up what R6 means, fear and play with your life, take out your head to spot the enemy and risk your life to be kill for that.
...
I wanna work on PS because I believe PT & CT were the real essence compared to DA and DA is a regression or just... not in the right path. I wanna change this mistake. PS has the potential for that.
The only thing that could stop me to work on PS are: not being allowed to or... getting an overdose of stealth action if I also work for Eidos-Montreal in two weeks.
I don't really understand why the whole community was againt DA, but, I actually liked the game. Iif you see through the massive amount of bugs, it was actually an awesome game with an awesome story. I even made a app or two for it (MySCDACleaner and MySCDATweaker - never released, partly in MySCDACleaner -).
MySCDACleaner - http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3651075192/m/2001038226
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 07, 2008, 11:40:17 AM
I don't really understand why the whole community was againt DA, but, I actually liked the game. Iif you see through the massive amount of bugs, it was actually an awesome game with an awesome story. I even made a app or two for it (MySCDACleaner and MySCDATweaker - never released, partly in MySCDACleaner -).
MySCDACleaner - http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3651075192/m/2001038226
Seriously, DA was cool, but... it wasn't the same Essence. In PT and CT, the spies were more agressive and it was what I liked. I do not see the spy as being inferior or having to flee. I see them as having a different play style, that's it.
I was more talking about the Singleplayer mode, not the the versus mode...
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 07, 2008, 07:07:45 PM
I was more talking about the Singleplayer mode, not the the versus mode...
Singleplayer mode was good i thought. Just versus mode sucked.
Ontopic: Didn't the mod get put in a PCGamer maganizine or something?
Or was it Dimz trying to get some inside info on teh mod, and release it on teh interwebs.
Quote from: Hyrage on May 07, 2008, 07:54:38 AM
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 07, 2008, 06:45:41 AM
That's what I'm saying. Say this mod is successful (which it should be), and plenty of people play it online. Don't you think Ubi is gonna go: "Damn, we let something great slip away. Should we try and bring it back ourselves?" It's gonna make them want to make it again I bet, unless their garbage crowd multiplayer is successful. ::)
Btw, who knows how far Conviction got pushed back? I heard this March, but it's past march obviously, and then I heard October. Not sure.
You know what? I would totally love if Ubisoft could learn something from PS. To be honest, I love Ubisoft as much as I hate it, what results in a complete duality. They made incredible stuff during the past year as much as they took many bad decisions that can be frustrating for many players and fans.
AC - so much repetitive
Splinter Cell DA - far away from PT essence
Rainbow Six Vegas - 3rd person breaking up what R6 means, fear and play with your life, take out your head to spot the enemy and risk your life to be kill for that.
...
I wanna work on PS because I believe PT & CT were the real essence compared to DA and DA is a regression or just... not in the right path. I wanna change this mistake. PS has the potential for that.
The only thing that could stop me to work on PS are: not being allowed to or... getting an overdose of stealth action if I also work for Eidos-Montreal in two weeks.
R6V is first person, only when covering do you go into 3rd person, which isn't really third person because you have limited camera movement.
Please, let me help you with your English Hyrage. If you are going to be very active on the forums (with these very heated discussions, LMAO), then make sure everyone can properly understand what you mean ^^.
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Quote from: Hyrage on May 07, 2008, 04:03:54 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
not so sure about this one ;D, at least...
my friend is working on this game and he never heard of PS before until I told/showed him what it was. Which means, if PS was such promising and disturbing... the word should have been spread among the team, but this isn't the case. They aren't that much preoccupied by their customers as I can see or even the Splinter Cell or Stealth Action fans.
I do not see any reason to have Conviction employees interested in PS if both games are totally different and using totally two different stealth approaches.
But who knows, maybe there is more people than I know that knows about PS at Ubisoft... more than 1500 employess is a lot of people.
Better version:
Quote from: Hyrage on May 07, 2008, 04:03:54 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I'm not so sure about that one ;D
My friend is working on this game and he didn't know a thing about PS until I show him what PS is. Which means, if PS was a disturbing thing, the word would have been spread among the team, but this isn't the case. They aren't really interested in what their customers think, it's all about money! (fixed :P, but I'm sure you meant something like this).
I do not see any reason why the Conviction employees would be interested in PS, since both games are totally different and are using two totally different stealth approaches.
But who knows, maybe there are more people that know about PS at Ubisoft than I know off... more than 1500 employees are a lot of people.
You're welcome! :P
I was talking by pm with Orph3O on the SC forums, who is a developer at UBI . I showed him some earlier works of PS. I mistook him for another french developer who worked on DA.
Of course, the only people that would take us seriously about copyrights is the legal team, which DID have a look at us. The standard procedure would be to give us a cease and desist letter....but we clearly are not copying any IP....and will not even be copying the names of gadgets.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 07, 2008, 09:43:19 PM
I was talking by pm with Orph3O on the SC forums, who is a developer at UBI . I showed him some earlier works of PS. I mistook him for another french developer who worked on DA.
Of course, the only people that would take us seriously about copyrights is the legal team, which DID have a look at us. The standard procedure would be to give us a cease and desist letter....but we clearly are not copying any IP....and will not even be copying the names of gadgets.
It's cool to see that a Dev Team guy was interested in PS. Maybe one of the Designers
Huge thx Lennard for the post.
about the ads have you guys tried to get a magzine interview ?
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 07, 2008, 11:34:09 PM
about the ads have you guys tried to get a magzine interview ?
please use the search function. I was going to say please use the information section but frvge must have taken it down ???
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 07, 2008, 11:40:17 AM
I don't really understand why the whole community was againt DA, but, I actually liked the game. Iif you see through the massive amount of bugs, it was actually an awesome game with an awesome story. I even made a app or two for it (MySCDACleaner and MySCDATweaker - never released, partly in MySCDACleaner -).
MySCDACleaner - http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3651075192/m/2001038226
It's sooo hard to look past all the bugs. The once you finally get past them all, all you get for multi is a watered down version of CT. And for single player all you get is a lame shadow system and a mediocre story. Overall, the game was mediocre. Then, with all the bugs, it's terrible. It did have SOME things I liked about it, escape moves, drones, and some other minor things.
Single player was kind of fun. I played on the 360 and the normal xbox. Two different games for sure.
I still need to get myself an Xbox to play the 'old-gen' version.
Anyway: apart from the CMs and Mods and maybe 1 or 2 of Legal team, I doubt they know us.
I couldn't care less.
Sounds good that they dont know if they did ubi might have try to buy PS from you
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 09, 2008, 04:24:39 AM
Sounds good that they dont know if they did ubi might have try to buy PS from you
And we would probably won't accept the offer anyway then... Do you really want to see yet another SvM in the hands of Ubisoft? I think not. You would have the best support on glitches, bugs and such with us than with anyone else.
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
Meh, I came here for the principle of finally getting a _good_ SAM-game.
Of course, money can be nice. But I personally would only accept if the terms would be basically what I have in mind myself: good support, fast bugfixes, nice extras at no cost. Best thing is a semi take-over: we get money to buy stuff and can still operate like we want :p :D Like EA is doing now with some of its newly taken over studios.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
Certainly not mine, dreams are priceless
Quote from: Hyrage on May 09, 2008, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
Certainly not mine, dreams are priceless
So says mastercard.
Quote from: Liqu1D_133 on May 09, 2008, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: Hyrage on May 09, 2008, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
Certainly not mine, dreams are priceless
So says mastercard.
Unfortunately for them I do not possess any credit cards ^^.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
Frvge will steal it all anyway.
No money can drive the dreams and the goals I'm trying to reach... useless.
Uh OH! Hyrage is makin a personal vendetta!! ;)
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
500000 dollars... that's like 100 euros right? ;D ;D ;D ;D
That sounds great that you wont be bought out. Ubisoft did make a good SvsM but then money over filled there heads with retarded ideas
Quote from: Splinterfactor8 on May 10, 2008, 04:05:08 AM
That sounds great that you wont be bought out. Ubisoft did make a good SvsM but then money over filled there heads with retarded ideas
It's what I would fear from them...
What money would do is allow us to work full time on the project instead of on weekends.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 10, 2008, 09:33:20 AM
What money would do is allow us to work full time on the project instead of on weekends.
This is a great reason LOLLLL
Quote from: frvge on May 10, 2008, 03:25:06 AM
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
500000 dollars... that's like 100 euros right? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hahaha :P I'd rather get 10 million euro instead of dollars in case we win. I think it's time for the so-called "Vreemde Valuta-rekening" literally (and probably not economly correct) "Strange Valuta-Account".
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 10, 2008, 10:38:51 AM
Quote from: frvge on May 10, 2008, 03:25:06 AM
Quote from: goodkebab on May 09, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
500000 dollars... that's like 100 euros right? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hahaha :P I'd rather get 10 million euro instead of dollars in case we win. I think it's time for the so-called "Vreemde Valuta-rekening" literally (and probably not economly correct) "Strange Valuta-Account".
I think its time for the "wtf i understood none of that" :P
Well basicly, when companies here in the Netherlands work oversees, the employees oversees would like to be payed in their own valuta (eg. the dollar). Due to the low currency of the dollar against the euro, it would be extremely stupid (for example for Philips) to convert the dollars to euro's (because you will lose a lot of money with that). In that case, companies open an oversees bank account (in dutch we call that a "Vreemde Valuta-Rekening"), so that they can keep their dollars on that account and wait till the right time to convert it to euros. They also pay their oversee employees from that account.
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 11, 2008, 10:58:47 AM
Well basicly, when companies here in the Netherlands work oversees, the employees oversees would like to be payed in their own valuta (eg. the dollar). Due to the low currency of the dollar against the euro, it would be extremely stupid (for example for Philips) to convert the dollars to euro's (because you will lose a lot of money with that). In that case, companies open an oversees bank account (in dutch we call that a "Vreemde Valuta-Rekening"), so that they can keep their dollars on that account and wait till the right time to convert it to euros. They also pay their oversee employees from that account.
Ahh i see. Get a job in england then the Ã,£ owns the dollar and teh euro :P.
Quote from: FR33M4N on May 11, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 11, 2008, 10:58:47 AM
Well basicly, when companies here in the Netherlands work oversees, the employees oversees would like to be payed in their own valuta (eg. the dollar). Due to the low currency of the dollar against the euro, it would be extremely stupid (for example for Philips) to convert the dollars to euro's (because you will lose a lot of money with that). In that case, companies open an oversees bank account (in dutch we call that a "Vreemde Valuta-Rekening"), so that they can keep their dollars on that account and wait till the right time to convert it to euros. They also pay their oversee employees from that account.
Ahh i see. Get a job in england then the Ã,£ owns the dollar and teh euro :P.
Good thing the pound it's currency went back, before you know it we own both the pound and the dollar!!! Which is not good for our competitive position (in layman's terms, Europe will be relativly expensive and our export of products and services will drop, though, importing will rise. Eather way, it's bad :P).
hi, trying to get some ubi help seems a good idea. i think there are 2-3 years before ps is completed without any extra help.
No offense, but... hell no, I don't want any helping hand from Ubisoft.
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 11, 2008, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: FR33M4N on May 11, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 11, 2008, 10:58:47 AM
Well basicly, when companies here in the Netherlands work oversees, the employees oversees would like to be payed in their own valuta (eg. the dollar). Due to the low currency of the dollar against the euro, it would be extremely stupid (for example for Philips) to convert the dollars to euro's (because you will lose a lot of money with that). In that case, companies open an oversees bank account (in dutch we call that a "Vreemde Valuta-Rekening"), so that they can keep their dollars on that account and wait till the right time to convert it to euros. They also pay their oversee employees from that account.
Ahh i see. Get a job in england then the Ã,£ owns the dollar and teh euro :P.
Good thing the pound it's currency went back, before you know it we own both the pound and the dollar!!! Which is not good for our competitive position (in layman's terms, Europe will be relativly expensive and our export of products and services will drop, though, importing will rise. Eather way, it's bad :P).
But it also means we can shop cheaply over teh intrawebz ;D
Quote from: .leelu12. on May 11, 2008, 06:53:23 PM
hi, trying to get some ubi help seems a good idea. i think there are 2-3 years before ps is completed without any extra help.
Bonus points for The Lion King fans!
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Well basicly, when companies here in the Netherlands work oversees, the employees oversees would like to be payed in their own valuta (eg. the dollar). Due to the low currency of the dollar against the euro, it would be extremely stupid (for example for Philips) to convert the dollars to euro's (because you will lose a lot of money with that). In that case, companies open an oversees bank account (in dutch we call that a "Vreemde Valuta-Rekening"), so that they can keep their dollars on that account and wait till the right time to convert it to euros. They also pay their oversee employees from that account.
Ahh i see. Get a job in england then the Ã,£ owns the dollar and teh euro :P.
Good thing the pound it's currency went back, before you know it we own both the pound and the dollar!!! Which is not good for our competitive position (in layman's terms, Europe will be relativly expensive and our export of products and services will drop, though, importing will rise. Eather way, it's bad :P).
But it also means we can shop cheaply over teh intrawebz ;D
And that's what so bad about it - study economics and you'll understand. It's awesome if you know how it all works!
Quote from: frvge on May 11, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: .leelu12. on May 11, 2008, 06:53:23 PM
hi, trying to get some ubi help seems a good idea. i think there are 2-3 years before ps is completed without any extra help.
Bonus points for The Lion King fans!
Eh, right.... (don't mention him, he must have drank too much or something).
what is more interesting is that the plummet of the US dollar is quite deliberate and desired by the US. They want this because now american products are cheaper to buy, which will encourage export over import. For the longest time america has always been importing more then exporting.
Quote from: goodkebab on May 11, 2008, 09:19:39 PM
what is more interesting is that the plummet of the US dollar is quite deliberate and desired by the US. They want this because now american products are cheaper to buy, which will encourage export over import. For the longest time america has always been importing more then exporting.
Yep, America is basicly a country to dump stuff. That's over now with the low currency, they (as in Asia) dumps stuff in Europe now.
It's still like (enter Euro sign here)1.7-ish euros to Ã,£1, which is quite alot. It means whenever i go on holiday i'm fucking rich :P.
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i sure a million dollars....or even 500,000 dollars which change a lot of peoples minds.
500000 dollars pesos... that's like 100 euros right? ;D ;D ;D ;D
:D
No, but seriously, 500000 Americian dollars = 323268,895 euro's, while 500000 euro's = 773350 American dollars. Give me Euro's MR. EpicGames! Yay! Ofcourse, with the current currency, pounds are even better.
BTW. To type a Euro sign, press CTRL+ALT+5 ;) €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
Oh, it means you're rich in foreign countries, but your actually poor in the UK. Come on, I payed like 30 euros for 20 pounds, which is away in a few minutes (5 pounds for 4 batteries at Kings Cross?!?!! They weren't even great). I can take hours to give away that amount of money here in the Netherlands. So basicly, the UK is ripping you off :P
On topic please?
::) totally confused
Quote from: frvge on May 11, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: .leelu12. on May 11, 2008, 06:53:23 PM
hi, trying to get some ubi help seems a good idea. i think there are 2-3 years before ps is completed without any extra help.
Bonus points for The Lion King fans!
On topic please?
You started it! :P Anyway, I think we came to a conclusions on this topic (right?!?!). Now let it die in peace :P
You should put that in your sig LOLL
"Now let it die in peace :P "
I doubt that ubi could ever be interested in helping us, I also doubt we would agree lol and no... there is no pressure from Ubi lol.
nice sig khris :P
is ps going to have a dm mode? i quite like dm in ct as story is so hard.
Our tutorial will be a lot better than CT's, so you're better prepared. There's a chance of DM being in, but Story will get most of the attention.
Yea, I was talking about that tutorial with Liquid yesterday. I told him that due to the lack of a tutorial in PT, I played that like 1 whole minute. I had NO idea why the mercs had those weird red and blue visions... Why not a nightvision!? I know better now ofcourse...
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 12, 2008, 05:35:39 PMI know better now ofcourse...
Yeah right, that's why you kept screaming why your screen changed color last time, right?
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Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 12, 2008, 05:35:39 PMI know better now ofcourse...
Yeah right, that's why you kept screaming why your screen changed color last time, right?
... If that is supposed to be a joke, it is a very bad one ...
Quote from: LennardF1989 on May 11, 2008, 11:35:58 PM
No, but seriously, 500000 Americian dollars = 323268,895 euro's, while 500000 euro's = 773350 American dollars. Give me Euro's MR. EpicGames! Yay! Ofcourse, with the current currency, pounds are even better.
BTW. To type a Euro sign, press CTRL+ALT+5 ;) €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
Oh, it means you're rich in foreign countries, but your actually poor in the UK. Come on, I payed like 30 euros for 20 pounds, which is away in a few minutes (5 pounds for 4 batteries at Kings Cross?!?!! They weren't even great). I can take hours to give away that amount of money here in the Netherlands. So basicly, the UK is ripping you off :P
Lol, im not poor in UK. Im like middle-class-ish. If i lived somewhere else itd make me richer yay.
It's nothing America can't recover from. Our dollar will be worth more in the future when we aren't spending most of it in the war fund. Oh shit, off topic. Umm, what else to discuss? Not much. Lock? Just sayin.
Quote from: .leelu12. on May 12, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
nice sig khris :P
is ps going to have a dm mode? i quite like dm in ct as story is so hard.
I already love her ;D
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Quote from: .leelu12. on May 12, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
nice sig khris :P
is ps going to have a dm mode? i quite like dm in ct as story is so hard.
I already love her ;D
Whoooa thats like Nubular and far out maann , :|
=/. but honestly, if PS has any form of Dm involved I will know where to look =/ Also adding that putting in
Dm is a waste of time and also ruining the main Objective of Project stealth.. making a better versus mode to better it all the way around.
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Quote from: Hyrage on May 15, 2008, 05:27:08 AM
Quote from: .leelu12. on May 12, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
nice sig khris :P
is ps going to have a dm mode? i quite like dm in ct as story is so hard.
I already love her ;D
Whoooa thats like Nubular and far out maann , :|
=/. but honestly, if PS has any form of Dm involved I will know where to look =/ Also adding that putting in
Dm is a waste of time and also ruining the main Objective of Project stealth.. making a better versus mode to better it all the way around.
I guess VERSUS means... One side VERSUS another = any kind a gametypes other than FFA
i shall have to start learning some story then :P
Versus = 2 teams competing => TDM included.
I'd like to see a type of domination in PS though (1spy & 1 merc per team).
Quote from: Liqu1D_133 on May 15, 2008, 07:26:57 PM
Versus = 2 teams competing => TDM included.
I'd like to see a type of domination in PS though (1spy & 1 merc per team).
Yeah VERSUS = could also mean FACE 2 FACE = 1 vs 1
It can be used as " all versus all", and then it's ffa.
Quote from: Liqu1D_133 on May 15, 2008, 09:50:13 PM
It can be used as " all versus all", and then it's ffa.
loll true
If it's 1v1 then if you think about it then it is a FFA.
Why no DM? It would require so little work. Just remove objectives and put players inside a map for 20 mins, oh yeah, + a DM scoreboard. Not much. DM is fun for screwing around when no one is playing story, but then again, if there is no DM then everyone will be playing story. :D In any case, DM isn't the spawn of satan and can actually be quite competitive when playing with the right people.
Been playing more story recently and can see why u guys like it so much.
(i will like it more when i stop getting slept every 30s lol :D)
Quote from: Papa Skull on May 16, 2008, 01:19:23 AM
If it's 1v1 then if you think about it then it is a FFA.
Why no DM? It would require so little work. Just remove objectives and put players inside a map for 20 mins, oh yeah, + a DM scoreboard. Not much. DM is fun for screwing around when no one is playing story, but then again, if there is no DM then everyone will be playing story. :D In any case, DM isn't the spawn of satan and can actually be quite competitive when playing with the right people.
And with pretty much all the stuff [not only FLARES]