This is geared toward the people on this site with programming/network experience and knowledge.
Obviously it's not news that Sony's PSN was hacked. However, I haven't found much information about the incident other than the fact that it happened and Sony is working to fix it. It doesn't seem like the hackers were after money, since the highest yield of credit card info lies with Xbox Live, which costs money to everyone who uses it.
My question is this: Was the PSN created with inherently lower security than other console's online networks, or were they just unlucky that the hackers in question targeted them vice Microsoft or Nintendo? Links to sources would also be helpful.
Sony messed up with the PS3 rootkey. Something that had to always be random, was static.
It's likely that there was another thing in their network's security that could have easily been prevented, but I have no idea what that would be. Haven't read any details.
You know what they say about things that are free. Frvge already touched on the actual details of that.
It seems like it was done to prove a point, and the most likely culprits are obviously the group "anonymous". Maybe just some former members of the group or something. Whoever they are, they are total douche bags who probably think they are cool and superior to everyone when, in fact, they are basically useless to society/never touched a girl.
I hear that sony is going to do a total reboot with the PSN at the end of the month, giving them time to up their security and clean up all loose ends out there right now. Do you think a month's worth of PSN+ and 2 free games (probably flower, pixel junk, 1st party arcade titles) are good enough to repay users?
Anonymous doesn't do stuff for financial gain. Maybe some sub-members, yeah, that's possible. But then it could be any other hacking group or organized crime too.
Quote from: Farley4Fan on May 11, 2011, 08:37:39 PM
You know what they say about things that are free. Frvge already touched on the actual details of that.
It seems like it was done to prove a point, and the most likely culprits are obviously the group "anonymous". Maybe just some former members of the group or something. Whoever they are, they are total douche bags who probably think they are cool and superior to everyone when, in fact, they are basically useless to society/never touched a girl.
I hear that sony is going to do a total reboot with the PSN at the end of the month, giving them time to up their security and clean up all loose ends out there right now. Do you think a month's worth of PSN+ and 2 free games (probably flower, pixel junk, 1st party arcade titles) are good enough to repay users?
What does it say in their terms of agreement about returning stolen money?
Quote from: DreadStunLock on May 11, 2011, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: Farley4Fan on May 11, 2011, 08:37:39 PM
You know what they say about things that are free. Frvge already touched on the actual details of that.
It seems like it was done to prove a point, and the most likely culprits are obviously the group "anonymous". Maybe just some former members of the group or something. Whoever they are, they are total douche bags who probably think they are cool and superior to everyone when, in fact, they are basically useless to society/never touched a girl.
I hear that sony is going to do a total reboot with the PSN at the end of the month, giving them time to up their security and clean up all loose ends out there right now. Do you think a month's worth of PSN+ and 2 free games (probably flower, pixel junk, 1st party arcade titles) are good enough to repay users?
What does it say in their terms of agreement about returning stolen money?
your still implying financial gain
Well I am pretty certain that they did manage to steal a lot of money from the Playstation customers, and even after taking a break to harden their security and get prepared for the worst they still need to do something about the cash loss that the customers suffered, so I am wondering what happens to that, does Pstation pay them back or it's in their Terms that if they lose it, they aren't involved?
Money is insured by the CC companies. They will want something back from Sony, but that's for the courts to decide I think.
edit: fixed insecured -> insured.
Then the customers are pretty much fucked, and that means bye bye to Playstation for the shit support.
Moral of the story is to use prepaid cards.
Pre-paid cards most of the time turn out to be a lot more expensive.
World of Warcraft pre-paid gamecards are 20£ for 2 months, but you can get 6 months subscription for 40 dollars AND you get the best game support that other games just never had or will have for a long time.
Quote from: DreadStunLock on May 11, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
Pre-paid cards most of the time turn out to be a lot more expensive.
World of Warcraft pre-paid gamecards are 20£ for 2 months, but you can get 6 months subscription for 40 dollars AND you get the best game support that other games just never had or will have for a long time.
No you noob , you can get pre -paid credit cards... You put the amount of money you want, and
ie. 20 dollars or w/e the amount and presto , no occuring fees and you can cancel at any time Thus they aren't accessing your real bank account.
Ok, but the customer support still sucks you noob.
Apparently Anonymous' own website got hacked and personal information of about 500 members has been stolen and made publicly available (inc. IP address) on their own website.
Pretty ironic, they took down the server I suppose as their website is completely down: http://anonops.net/
Quote from: DreadStunLock on May 11, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
Pre-paid cards most of the time turn out to be a lot more expensive.
Ones from foreign countries can be pretty cool once you realise points from your country cost like 33% more for no fucking reason, though.
Also handy if you want to get region specific points for DLC or whatever that isn't available on your marketplace.
Quote from: DreadStunLock on May 11, 2011, 10:38:24 PM
Well I am pretty certain that they did manage to steal a lot of money from the Playstation customers, and even after taking a break to harden their security and get prepared for the worst they still need to do something about the cash loss that the customers suffered, so I am wondering what happens to that, does Pstation pay them back or it's in their Terms that if they lose it, they aren't involved?
There are no official confirmed reports of the hack getting at CC info, and no official reports of anyone having to notify their CC that there has been unauthorized usage.
I have used my CC to buy stuff on PSN. I have not had any unauthorized use of my card. I'm also not worried about it because if they do, I'll get a phone call and my bank will change my CC number.
Let's hope so Spekkio, PSN is in deep shit as it is.
I actually hope someone tries to use my credit card. It will drastically increase the likelihood that the people behind this get caught.
Quote from: Farley4Fan on May 11, 2011, 11:16:49 PM
Moral of the story is to use prepaid cards.
It's funny reading a lot of the anti-Sony comments from teenagers, particularly ones that say people are dumb for making online purchases with a personal credit card. Making purchases at retailers aren't any more secure. Any employee at that organization has easy access to all the information they would need to steal your identity, and that's being generous by assuming their customer database isn't connected to the interwebs.
You already pay a built-in premium on goods for credit card insurance (last I heard it was about 2% of the cost of the item, but that likely has changed over the years) whether you use a credit card or not.
I see what you're saying spek. I remember a big info leak a little while ago from a retailer but I don't remember who/what that included. I personally had a problem with a gas station employee taking my credit card number and (ironically) using it to pay for an xbl subscription. I'm not anti-Sony at all, if you were referring to me in your reply, and I was talking about using prepaid cards with xbl and psn. It's probably the better option if it isn't inconvenient for you. Of course it won't completely remove the risk of getting your number stolen, but it may reduce it.
Quote from: Farley4Fan on May 12, 2011, 04:08:09 AM
I see what you're saying spek. I remember a big personal info leak a little while ago from a retailer but I don't remember who/what that included. I personally had a problem with a gas station employee taking my credit card number and (ironically) using it to pay for an xbl subscription. I'm not anti-Sony at all, if you were referring to me in your reply, and I was talking about using prepaid cards with xbl and psn. It's probably the better option if it isn't inconvenient for you. Of course it won't completely remove the risk of getting your number stolen, but it may reduce it.
I wasn't referring to you as anti-Sony, but I have seen dozens of comments on the interwebs that those who paid for DLC via PSN "deserve" to have their CC info stolen. Your comment that one should stick to pre-paid CC's vice personal CC's just fit in that category.
The reality is that it's safer to pay for merchandise by CC than to carry hundreds of dollars in cash in your wallet to do all of your shopping. If your CC gets stolen, you call the bank and have them send you a new card with a new number. If $300 cash gets stolen, you're SOL.