i am an atheist

[neth]

Papa, I think discussing with people who don't believe in God and trying to prove them you're right and they are not is completely pointless because there is no way you can prove it. Moreover, as a Christian you will never have that satisfaction when it finally turns out God exists cause
a) you can't prove it now
b) When it comes to final judgment, you won't have satisfaction that people who didnt believe will suffer

They can ask you hundreds of questions you won't be able to answer also saying you're arrogant or naive but it doesn't change the fact that many times people who deny existance of God desperatly try to deny the influence of religion and tradition of church made on shaping the ethic and law systems of Europe and (obviously) America.


BTW Papa, are you a Catholic or perhaps a member of some Church segment ?

[Farley4Fan]

Papa, I think discussing with people who don't believe in God and trying to prove them you're right and they are not is completely pointless because there is no way you can prove it. Moreover, as a Christian you will never have that satisfaction when it finally turns out God exists cause
a) you can't prove it now
b) When it comes to final judgment, you won't have satisfaction that people who didnt believe will suffer

They can ask you hundreds of questions you won't be able to answer also saying you're arrogant or naive but it doesn't change the fact that many times people who deny existance of God desperatly try to deny the influence of religion and tradition of church made on shaping the ethic and law systems of Europe and (obviously) America.


BTW Papa, are you a Catholic or perhaps a member of some Church segment ?

I'm not particularly trying to convince people because I know how impossible it is, especially just talking through text messages.  I'm just a guy who believes in God and someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the messenger of this God and our savior.

Oh.  Good thing you made this last post.  That would have been strange if your post count was 666.

[VaNilla]

Most people believe in a God for another reason too. "The world couldn't have just started", what if we switch that argument around and say "God couldn't have just started".

[Farley4Fan]

We'll all know soon enough.  Everything loops.  All theories of the origin of the universe have that halting problem with what they propose.  What was before our universe?  How did THAT come to be?  No one knows - yet.

Posted this earlier.  :)

[Roberto1223]

Agentsmybitch, (awesome name btw) evolution and God aren't mutually exclusive.  God easily could have used evolution to create humans.  I don't know.  For all I know he could have laid clues down for evolution to test our faith.  Wouldn't that be an interesting twist?

lol dude...

if u created something that lives would u test it in that way? i wouldnt... thats just an anthropomorphication of something that isnt even human.

religions assume that god would be human-like atleast in a cognitive way. but truth is that by that simple assumption made by religious people, science can deduce that religion was invented by mankind and nothing else.

it was the old way of satisfying our life questions back in the day when we couldnt research in a systematic way.

someday maybe in the year 4000 religions will no longer exist or maybe other religions will be created...

[Roberto1223]

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Atheists are useless and ignorant.

And insults make your argument stronger?

I am by no means a religious person, b/c I don't believe in fables, and I am by no means an atheist, because I do not know what happens to me when I die. I'm easily a class of non-retarded humans known as agnostics. YOU downplay the idea of a god, while I believe in "The goal is not to disprove God,  but to explain how God works." as goodkebab so finely put. Science is an amazing tool and I do believe in rationality, but science will never be able to prove everything because some things will never be defined. Unfortunately you fucking atheists have a set thought...you live once, you die and you redevelop in the trees...Those trees get cut down and make paper...toilet paper, that I wipe my ass with.

Westfall, most athiests don't necessarily believe in reincarnation. And whether you are an athiest or not, your body will decompose. I hope you grandchildren enjoy wiping their asses with your organs.

And just so you know atheist boy, it is a proven fact...scientifically....that there is energy in your body that releases itself when you die.

And I'm gonna need a citation bud.

Also, I don't understand how you call athiests arrogant and naive. Generally, the idea behind the logic is that it is up to the person that makes the claim to back it up. Those who believe in God, in order to avoid having fallacies in logic, must provide logical evidence that God exists. One can't simply say Santa exists because there are presents under the tree and call those who disagree arrogant.

You may call athiests arrogant because of the fact that the steadfastly deny God, but we, in theory, are no different from agnostics. This is because, collectively, we don't follow until there is evidence.

i agree, westfall is kinda dumb hes like against everything both religion and scientific theories... then again, he was right i guess when he said that all he knew is that he was stupid. westfall is the kinda guy that would be perfect for scientology.  :(

[Westfall]

No, I'm the kind of guy that isn't completely blinded by my own self. Unfortunately, people like Roberto who don't understand anything outside of this consciousness just wander around babbling bullshit. I love how you stupid fucks twist my words around the entire time...the ENTIRE TIME. 

i agree, westfall is kinda dumb hes like against everything both religion and scientific theories

Thanks for continually proving that you're an idiot. If you knew how to read you would see that I'm not against science. I'm against religion because it is a man made attempt at gaining power, but you're too fucking stupid to read the words that are on the page. It's useless to try and speak to any of you when your heads are so far up your asses. Read my last post you ignorant fuck before you try and call anyone dumb.

And insults make your argument stronger?

Pretty sure Roberto called me that first, but cool. My only fault was saying that the ideas of atheism are arrogant.

Westfall, most athiests don't necessarily believe in reincarnation. And whether you are an athiest or not, your body will decompose. I hope you grandchildren enjoy wiping their asses with your organs.

If you're any athiest you definitely don't believe in reincarnation. I don't care about what happens to my body, because it's just that...a body. Going to also say there was a better point behind what I said prior to this post, but its fine if it went over your head.

And I'm gonna need a citation bud.

I do know that in 2001/2002 a professor of physics at UConn was one of the first to prove that energy leaves your body when you die. It goes along with the ideas of auras that surround your body. In fact, everything is electron based...perhaps the word matter rings a bell. Put your hands close together and notice how there is a warmth that you feel when they are close but not touching. This is the exact type of energy I'm talking about. I'm sorry that I can't site any of the specific books or online sources that I have read, but many metaphysical sites will state the same thing, if you're into that kind of stuff. However, its not that your energy goes into love and light BS like everyone wants to believe. If you want to think of balance, then you might be a little bit more on track.

Papa, I think discussing with people who don't believe in God and trying to prove them you're right and they are not is completely pointless because there is no way you can prove it. Moreover, as a Christian you will never have that satisfaction when it finally turns out God exists cause
a) you can't prove it now
b) When it comes to final judgment, you won't have satisfaction that people who didnt believe will suffer

They can ask you hundreds of questions you won't be able to answer also saying you're arrogant or naive but it doesn't change the fact that many times people who deny existance of God desperatly try to deny the influence of religion and tradition of church made on shaping the ethic and law systems of Europe and (obviously) America.

But there is a fine line between someone justifying their actions because "God wanted them to do it" and just living with free will you know? There is no little guy who sits in the clouds and listens to everything you're always asking of "him."

@ Blankman: Buddhism for the win man. They have the right ideas.

[Gui Brazil]

If there's a God how can you explain the atrocities that happen in Africa, with people starving to death or dying with AIDS?

Not saying I'm an atheist ( infact I don't even know if I do or don't believe in God,) just wondering how "good" can He be when there's stuff like that going on (if there even is such thing as God).

[Blank Man]

okay I can't just stop there... In my mind, religion is an excuse. An excuse for the unexplainable. Humans cannot determine how everything started and they never will be. But what a religion does is give you an answer to something they don't have the answer for. Then throughout history they fight eachother just to prove themselves right.

I like buddhists though. They believe in a god, but they accept the others beliefs as if they were their own. And they are a bit more spiritual than jump down on your knees when you're having a rough time, clench your hands together and PRAISE THE ALMIGHTY SMIGHTER FOR WELL BEING PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

You're just being ignorant.

btw... I'm surprised roberto is athiest. Athiests usually have common sense... He probably just followed his parents into it.

You're view of common sense is skewed because you do not have it.

Common sense is not so common.

Untill you explain... you're the ignorant one.
Other than that you're still ignorant because you think that if you type something ironic into a thread you are a bad ass.
How about you share your views on religion in a thread that was actually created for that, then get trampled by people who actually have good points.

[Roberto1223]

westfall, your whole "neutral but not really" role in this thread is pretty useless.

this thread is about a discussion between two sides.

you came in here just saying you laugh at both sides, and thinking that your too smart for any of them.

if you wanna pursuade someone, you have to be sure of what you believe in.

if you dont know what you believe in, or if you think you are too bright to believe in anything then to me thats just being ignorant. im sorry.

[Farley4Fan]

lol dude...

if u created something that lives would u test it in that way? i wouldnt... thats just an anthropomorphication of something that isnt even human.

What the hell is this even supposed to prove?  That God isn't human? Good job.  God works in mysterious ways and in way beyond our understanding of genius.  Leaving slight but not definitive evidence that he doesn't exist sounds very smart to me.  He roots out all the people who only see with their eyes.

religions assume that god would be human-like atleast in a cognitive way. but truth is that by that simple assumption made by religious people, science can deduce that religion was invented by mankind and nothing else.

God made us in HIS image.  Therefore you can say that we, in a way, look LIKE God - not that God looks like us. In reality, it's not our image, he's the original.

it was the old way of satisfying our life questions back in the day when we couldnt research in a systematic way.

Only partially true. I now accept most if not all things that scientific proof provides. I rely on science and such to explain to me the phenomenons of the world.  As I've said countless times God and science are not mutually exclusive.  But the truth is science will never solve everything.  Never.  Not in a thousand years.  There's always that wall.  You call God my scapegoat for the unexplained but I see it as the only logical answer for the things that will ALWAYS BE unexplained. 

someday maybe in the year 4000 religions will no longer exist or maybe other religions will be created...

You honestly believe humans will be on Earth (or physically existing) for 2000 more years?  I don't see that happening honestly.  You think religion will one day be obsolete but unfortunately for you I keep seeing more and more proof aiding the side of God.

[Farley4Fan]

this thread is about a discussion between two sides.

you came in here just saying you laugh at both sides, and thinking that your too smart for any of them.

The place to be is in the middle. 

Think of republicans and democrats, or other opposing political views.  There is not just 1 party that has it completely right.  It's good to have a mix of views and not stay too close minded.

It's sad to see both sides of the spectrum to make good points and have the opposing "side" ignore them.  It's ignorance at its finest.  People today have become so grounded in their beliefs that anything different is looked at like a bunch of propaganda.

[Westfall]

westfall, your whole "neutral but not really" role in this thread is pretty useless.

this thread is about a discussion between two sides.

you came in here just saying you laugh at both sides, and thinking that your too smart for any of them.

if you wanna pursuade someone, you have to be sure of what you believe in.

if you dont know what you believe in, or if you think you are too bright to believe in anything then to me thats just being ignorant. im sorry.

Roberto, I like to find myself in a balance, which is basically how things end up unfolding anyways. The discussion was about your choice of joining an atheist mindset, not a fight b/w religion and non religion. Having beliefs in religions or atheism go hand in hand. I DO know what my beliefs are and I find that they come off as a happy medium of balance. I'm not too smart for either side, I just don't find myself to be as naive or close-minded to set my beliefs on fables or nothingness. I'm not trying to persuade either, just adding commentary in lieu of your findings, which is what a forum does. Also, being "too bright" to believe in anything would be better than lying to myself.

I didn't mean to come off as harsh as I did in the start. I just find it crazy how the human mind perceives so many options that are unfaithful to it's self. It tends to grind my gears you know? I do apologize if I offended you, but at the same time I hope that you won't just settle down on the ideas of atheism, but look more around you and the way you perceive your life. 

It's sad to see both sides of the spectrum to make good points and have the opposing "side" ignore them.  It's ignorance at its finest.  People today have become so grounded in their beliefs that anything different is looked at like a bunch of propaganda.

This is exactly what I'm talking about Roberto. Papa's not lying. Open your mind.

If there's a God how can you explain the atrocities that happen in Africa, with people starving to death or dying with AIDS?

Not saying I'm an atheist ( infact I don't even know if I do or don't believe in God,) just wondering how "good" can He be when there's stuff like that going on (if there even is such thing as God).

Balance. If you believe in philosophy, you should check out Plato's "Republic" or "Allegory of the Cave." Positive and preventative checks are what he refers to, but the whole idea of balance has a role in everything. Thoughts on karma?

How about you share your views on religion in a thread that was actually created for that, then get trampled by people who actually have good points.

This thread delves into the ideas of a belief system, which are just that in a religion. Papa has been sharing his views on religion and getting reamed by some. If this thread wasn't meant for controversial issues, then I don't know what it qualifies under.

[Farley4Fan]

Untill you explain... you're the ignorant one.
Other than that you're still ignorant because you think that if you type something ironic into a thread you are a bad ass.

Makes zero sense.  How is that being ignorant?  That does not even come close to falling under the ignorant category.  Get lost, preferably in the dictionary.  Go learn, ignorant one.  Stop generalizing.  Do the research and stop getting these broad ideas in your head that everything falls into your definitions.  You're not always right and you've proven to me many times on this site anyway that you are close minded and arrogant.

How about you share your views on religion in a thread that was actually created for that, then get trampled by people who actually have good points.

Being an atheist means you don't believe in any God/gods.  If you really think that this thread was made to keep out people of faith then wow.  Who the hell cares?  It's the discussion we are having now that matters, right?  Man oh man.

[Farley4Fan]

I do believe in an after death. But I don't think that god picks me up by my hair and gently sets me upon a cloud and we all tell eachother stories without ever again feeling pain

I don't think it's like that either blank man.  Glad we agree. 

On an unrelated note, does the thought of hell existing ever scare you?  I'm in no way trying to scare you into Christianity, not what I'm about, but I often wonder what atheists think about the possible consequences of their actions.  Does an intelligent creator really seem that illogical and that impossible?

I believe that every human is born with a soul.  A soul that is often referred to as a conscience.  A soul that is molded and shaped by every experience we have in life.  A soul that is ultimately judged by our creator - the one that started the things we know as the big bang or even evolution.  That soul is either granted eternal prosperity or eternal damnation in places that are not limited by physics.  Those places were the only existing things before our universe was created.