i am an atheist

[frvge]

Yes, there are radicals that need to open their minds and think (people trying to ban condoms),

Lol... I meant that the Pope said that. I agree he needs to think, but when you're so old, that's hard. xD

[Farley4Fan]

u cant really turn a fag into a normal man.

what does your religion say if a woman wants an abortion because the child has down syndrome and she cant take care of him (no money, nor time)?

Adoption.  

the priests say "no no he has the right to live dont kill him, help him!"

Adoption.

but when it comes to gays ('also mentally ill people'), god strikes them  with flaming comets, and priests pray for their "cure" (equivalent to erradication).

There are extremes, and I never go there.  I try to stay in the middle on every issue and take the things that make sense on both sides of the aisle.  I am tolerant of gays, however, they should get nothing extra (as in rights) and should not be able to marry.  Something that has been man/woman since the dawn of humanity.  Politically correctness is starting to infringe on our rights to free speech, which sucks ass and everyone is going head over heels for it w/o realizing the problem.

religion is all bullshit.

What a wonderfully ignorant statement.  A lot of it can be, won't argue with that.  It's not all bullshit.  It offers hope, new beginnings, and a lot of what I believe to be the truth to people.  A lot of religions give, not take, though there are imposters.  

In my opinion: Since homosexuality is not "normal" (it is below the avarage), and because there has to be a reason for its existance (according to my ideology); i believe that the source of this problem is located in the mind/brain of the homosexual patient; therefore making them psychologicaly/psychiatricaly different to us heterosexuals (exclusively in cases where the homosexual person has had that behavior since birth). i cant really say its an illness/disorder etc. because it dosent fall into those definitions. i think there is something wrong in their brains medically speaking though. i do not believe it is curable, and though i dont like to hang out with homosexual people. i let them be (i am indifferent), and i do not wish their death or the erradication of their kind.

right with ya.  

and no i would not like to see my son grow up to be that way, but i guess id have to accept him as he is.

I think that shows that in the human mind we look at homosexuality in a strange way.  As in, not normal.  As westfall said, it's hard to say who decides what is/isn't normal.  However I have a feeling that humans in general think that it's out of the ordinary to be homosexual.  We try to be compassionate and accepting but I think we all can admit that it's just at least a little bit funky.  Defies basic instincts, defies evolutionary standards (can't think of a better phrase, let's just say we weren't created/evolved to be that way), it just doesn't seem right.  All we can do is be as accepting as possible, there IS a line to be drawn however.  We're starting to get to a phase where anything is acceptable.  Cut off your penis?  No problem, in fact, we got a special bed for ya right here!  You've got a vagina but you call yourself Mike and shave your head and cut off your breasts?  Take a seat right here, sir, maam, whatever you are.  

Just be careful of that line that without a doubt exists.

[Farley4Fan]

Still, there are radicals who are strictly against condoms.  They don't have to use condoms, I don't care.  But, it doesn't mean that people aren't/shouldn't use contraception. 

Here's another thing.  You may ask why I'm against abortion but for contraception like birth control pills.  Contraception may be strange and unnatural (especially the pill), but it prevents conception and doesn't terminate it.  Terminating an already in-progress human being is vastly immoral in my opinion. 

Again, there's another line we shouldn't cross here with what's the norm (meaning everything can be normal and acceptable).  Not everything should be.  Killing a baby in the whom for the sake of not having a baby, what the hell? 

Ever since Roe v Wade (a supreme court case here in the states about abortion, from the 70's I think) there have been over 40,000,000 abortions.  Just here in the U.S.  Is that not a sickening number?  Seriously.

[Ion.67]

No, it isn't. A fetus is not a baby. It can be technically described as a tumor. It is not a baby until it comes out of the womb. That is where I am right and you are wrong. Killing babies is wrong, sure. Killing fetuses(fetii?) isn't.

The condom thing is retarded. You should use whatever the hell you want. Use a condom until you want a baby that you will love and care for. Until then, get on anything and everything you want.

[Tidenburg]

I don't agree with gay marriage, but then it doesn't actually exist in the UK, although that's the term thrown around it's actually called a 'Civil Partnership'. Marriage has always been opposite sex and the whole point of a Civil Partnership is to make the relationship "official", as though being together isn't enough. But Papa Skull you're mind is seriously fucked up if you don't think gay people should have the same rights as you, what someone finds arousing is not a way to class someone, if you let gays not be equal then maybe, women, blacks and children should all be below us aswell?

Everyone should have equal rights, if one person is allowed to do it, so should another, (excluding the obvious exceptions).

[Farley4Fan]

I don't agree with gay marriage, but then it doesn't actually exist in the UK, although that's the term thrown around it's actually called a 'Civil Partnership'. Marriage has always been opposite sex and the whole point of a Civil Partnership is to make the relationship "official", as though being together isn't enough. But Papa Skull you're mind is seriously fucked up if you don't think gay people should have the same rights as you, what someone finds arousing is not a way to class someone, if you let gays not be equal then maybe, women, blacks and children should all be below us aswell?

Everyone should have equal rights, if one person is allowed to do it, so should another, (excluding the obvious exceptions).

Tidenburg, did you even friggin read my post?  Sheesh...

This ring a bell?

We 'evolved' to have sex with the opposite sex.  Pretty damn simple.  If there are a few people out there that are attracted to the same sex, why the hell should I care?  I think it's disgusting, absolutely.  I think it's wrong too.  But that's their choice and there's no changing them.  Homosexuals are people, obviously, so should get the same exact rights as straight people.  When gays try to get EXTRA rights is where it really ticks me off.  I don't believe that they should be able to marry but this does not contradict what I said earlier about rights.  Marriage is not a right.

Oh and I totally agree with you, just so ya know. ;)

[Farley4Fan]

No, it isn't. A fetus is not a baby. It can be technically described as a tumor. It is not a baby until it comes out of the womb. That is where I am right and you are wrong. Killing babies is wrong, sure. Killing fetuses(fetii?) isn't.

I'm surprised that you said "killing" the fetus is okay.  Usually pro-choice people just use another "okay" word like "aborting" or "terminating".  Using the real word, killing, usually makes their argument look bad.  There's another flaw with your argument.  What about partial-birth abortions?  The fetus is technically born, so it's a baby, yet people (maybe you I don't know) still support terminating/killing that born baby/fetus (whatever you want to call that growing in-progress human being to make abortion sound more humane).  And as far as I know most people have the same sort of general idea of abortion.  It's gross, unnatural, and shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary (mother's life in danger during birth, rape maybe, etc).  From my observations most people I've heard from do not like to see it used as an everyday form of birth control, especially the mothers.

The condom thing is retarded. You should use whatever the hell you want. Use a condom until you want a baby that you will love and care for. Until then, get on anything and everything you want.
Sure.  I don't care.

[frvge]

Marriage is like a subscription to a sucky time. If they want that, good for them. Discrimination based on sexual orientation is so 1900.

My views of acceptible abortion:
- early teenage pregnancies (think 14 years old... eww)
- rape /sexual offenses
- pregnacies where there are a lot of complications
- big physical/psychological problems, with mother/child.
  (stuff like child misses limbs, or has serious brain damage (Bush-level), or... etc)

IMO not acceptible:
- because you forgot anticonception AND you can afford/properly take care of it. If you can't, adoption should be considered, but it's up to the mom.
- because the child has minor physical/psychological problems. Down's Syndrome is IMO a 50-50 case. Dunno about that one.

It's better to abort while in the womb, than to give birth to a sick, fucked up piece of human being, which can't stand on its own and will generally have a sucky life.

[Farley4Fan]

Have you noticed that everytime there is a discussion about religion, politics, or homosexuals, the conversation always drifts to one of the other topics?

It just always happens.

Oh, and about the Bush comment, no mentally challenged guy could dodge a 2 shoes in a row.   ;)

People need to give Bush a break, seriously.

[Tidenburg]

It's because those topics are always used as arguments in religious debates ^_^

[frvge]

Oh, and about the Bush comment, no mentally challenged guy could dodge a 2 shoes in a row.

He just lost his balance and almost fell down. Twice xD Lucky him! He'll get his break, this month.

[Farley4Fan]

No, people are going to call the inevitable failures of the Obama presidency the "BUSH AFTERSHOCK!"

I really hope Obama does well, but, nothing will change really.

People also need to realize that a recession is not always the presidents fault.  The failure to act on the recession is the president's fault, but Bush has acted on it.  He has gone the way of socialism in this recession and I can't stand it.  We need fiscal responsibility here in the states, Obama/Bush are not fiscally responsible from what I can see. 

[Blank Man]

could dodge a 2 shoes in a row.   ;)

You're a noob

[Snakebit.]

Papa Skull please stop ignoring me . Please read page 10 post 4 and you could also read my another post on page 6  . Looking forward to hearing from you.

[Ion.67]

No, it isn't. A fetus is not a baby. It can be technically described as a tumor. It is not a baby until it comes out of the womb. That is where I am right and you are wrong. Killing babies is wrong, sure. Killing fetuses(fetii?) isn't.

I'm surprised that you said "killing" the fetus is okay.  Usually pro-choice people just use another "okay" word like "aborting" or "terminating".  Using the real word, killing, usually makes their argument look bad.  There's another flaw with your argument.  What about partial-birth abortions?  The fetus is technically born, so it's a baby, yet people (maybe you I don't know) still support terminating/killing that born baby/fetus (whatever you want to call that growing in-progress human being to make abortion sound more humane).  And as far as I know most people have the same sort of general idea of abortion.  It's gross, unnatural, and shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary (mother's life in danger during birth, rape maybe, etc).  From my observations most people I've heard from do not like to see it used as an everyday form of birth control, especially the mothers.

Sorry that I don't feel the need to make my argument look more friendly or nice. You can kill a tumor, remove a tumor, terminate a tumor, whatever you want. It is still the same thing.

Partial birth abortions... They are a silly case. Anyone who goes through the 9 months of not wanting a baby and then wants to kill it the day they are having it is odd. I believe it is usually for health reasons, which should be taken into account. That is a case by case decision. I can't say my accurate beliefs on those just because of the different reasons.

The condom thing is retarded. You should use whatever the hell you want. Use a condom until you want a baby that you will love and care for. Until then, get on anything and everything you want.
Sure.  I don't care.