i am an atheist

[Westfall]

Takes one to know one correct?

@ Snake: What was your input to the topic again?

[Snakebit.]

Takes one to know one correct?

@ Snake: What was your input to the topic again?

Just some funny videos. I just don't get it.This topic is called 'i am an atheist' so basicly the author hoped only atheists would post here but we get theists and agnostics here + some weird stuff = this topic has gone offtopic long time ago  :P


P.s. Some even tried to convert atheists to theism but failed.

[Roberto1223]

Enlighten me with the agnosticism knowledge.

AGNOSTIC MEANS UNDECIDED

nominaly it means "unknowing/not knowing" i think.

[Roberto1223]

I am with Roberto in the way of you are always in existance through your offspring. Not in the living, thinking sense, as in; your mark has been put on earth and stays there are long as your family tree continues. Even 1000 years in the future, where you will have very little resemblance to the current generation, the father wouldn't be like he is if not for his father, who wouldn't be like he is if not for his, and that continues all the way back to you and beyond. THAT is the mark I believe you leave.

As for heaven or an afterlife, no. I don't believe such a thing exists, just like roberto says (again), death is the final chapter. No re-do's, no sequals. You're dead. Stop living for heaven and start living for living's sake.

If there is some sort of spirtual energy left, I'd have to say I don't know. I want them to be real (just because it would be a marvel or nature and could potentially lead to millions of new areas of science) and believe i've experience encounter before. But i'm also aware that for starter I couldn't even begin to say what would explain it, and that I do think alot of it is pshycological.

Spekkio, believing/hoping for something after death doesn't make you agnostic (which is defined purely by a belief in a higher being). You may think that some like ghosts is a natural occurance which we haven't discovered/explained yet or the like. We know soo little in the grand scale of things. :)

im glad to hear that we think alike :P

@ westfall: what tidenburg wrote is what i would have written as a response to your "so you actually dont think death is the final chapter" reply

[Nosis]

atheist means without god, coming from the word theist which is to believe in a deity.

agnostic means without knowledge, coming from the word gnosis, greek for knowledge, but in a broader sense refers to theistic or spiritual knowledge as a whole.

the point of saying that an agnostic is undecided was to show how stupid westfall asking for "agnostic knowledge" really was.

that's like asking agent for tips on left 4 dead.

[Westfall]

the point of saying that an agnostic is undecided was to show how stupid westfall asking for "agnostic knowledge" really was.

Hence why I asked for it, because agnosticism is not knowing something. So his answer would have to be......"I don't know." Therefore I was looking for Spekkio's knowledge, but only expecting a "duuuuuuuuhh..I don't know," which is such valuable input to me. Sorry if your brain didn't wrap around that one fast enough Nosis.

[Nosis]

no i figured as much, it's just a worthless way to make a worthless point. the origin of agnostic might directly translate to "without knowledge" but taking that direct translation to mean agnostics have no opinion on the matter of god is, well, stupid.

you're basically either saying A) as an agnostic one isn't entitled to an opinion or B) genuinely asking for 'agnostic enlightenment'

both of which are basically taking the term one of 2 wrong ways.

if we're going to take the definitions so literal, then atheist basically means someone who refuses to acknowledge god, even if god was to part the clouds and wave at everybody, an atheist would look away and put plugs in his ears.

[Westfall]

Which is pretty much what atheists do.....

You still need to actually look up more info on agnosticism. It's not directly not knowing something. It's having no real answer yet acknowledging the possibilities. I also never stated or implied either of your examples. You're trying to prove no point here. You also haven't contributed to this thread at all. If you want to yank your twig and make span, sit in sclamers. Otherwise, enlighten me oh wise nosis, for right now you can't day shit since you have yet to contribute.

[Nosis]

the only point i'm making is you're taking the definitions of broad terms too literally. i think you need to look up more about agnosticism, but try reading more then the wiki article.

agnosticism as a broad term means what you just said, but you've been up and down about it. your posts are back and forth. that's pretty much all i'm saying too, is stop throwing around these terms incorrectly.

it's hard to contribute to a thread full of misguided diatribe, without trying to correct some of the confusion.

[Tidenburg]

Which is pretty much what atheists do.....

Bullshit. When has God ever come out of the clouds or shown any real proof of existance?

Your last 4 posts have been pure shit-stirring.

[Kiory]

Can't everyone just let this thread die? The only way we will agree with one another is when the aliens come down and try to kill us all.

[Westfall]

the only point i'm making is you're taking the definitions of broad terms too literally. i think you need to look up more about agnosticism, but try reading more then the wiki article.

agnosticism as a broad term means what you just said, but you've been up and down about it. your posts are back and forth. that's pretty much all i'm saying too, is stop throwing around these terms incorrectly.

it's hard to contribute to a thread full of misguided diatribe, without trying to correct some of the confusion.

If you can check out wiki, why can't I? I'm also not tossing around the definition at all. I threw around the term incorrectly in the post with the scale, in which Spekkio corrected me. I do have a good grasp on what I'm talking about knowing a little bit more about agnosticism. The rest of the thread has NOTHING that's misguided, aside from biblical lovings.

Maybe you shouldn't attempt to be "correction" artist and actually drop some knowledge here. In lamens terms, quit beating around the fucking bush and post something worth reading, ABOUT the topic. One term has had a small edit, thanks to Spekkio showing me the light on it, you're just continually going off on the tangent of trying to correct the term even more, which is beating a dead horse. Post something about the thread, or shut the fuck up. Simple.....

Which is pretty much what atheists do.....

Bullshit. When has God ever come out of the clouds or shown any real proof of existance?

Your last 4 posts have been pure shit-stirring.

My last 4 posts have been just a continuation of the bullshit that this thread is going towards. In fact, they haven't even been focused on the topic, rather a beating-a-dead-horse definition scuffle with Nosis. Pages before when I was bringing up other questions to you guys, no one was saying shit. I'm not going back to repeat myself. Now we're just trying to make this the largest thread here.

Tiden, I didn't say that God ever poked his head out of the clouds. I agreed with Nosis in saying that athiests probably wouldn't believe in God if they saw one to be true. Why? Science. It's unexplainable for a diety to exist. ATHIESTS have a set view of no god no matter what...forever. If this doesn't hold true to your beliefs, then you aren't an athiest. Ya dig?

HENCE why making the bold assumption of no god or god is a ridiculous mind set, because you HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE.

Can't everyone just let this thread die? The only way we will agree with one another is when the aliens come down and try to kill us all.

Can't wait.

[Roberto1223]

that's like asking agent for tips on left 4 dead.

well i wouldnt say that thats a bad thing to do cause that guy has no life, so he has pretty much been left for dead by his family.

maybe his family dosent know his cyclops ass is living in the basement !!


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somebody start thinking of another controversial topic before this one kicks it!

[Nosis]

basically the reason i'm agnostic is because i see a lot of consistency in the world, usually that consistency is irony, but such prevalent patterns tell me there's a deeper tapestry or connection that we can't see. i highly doubt it comes down to an individual, more likely just a force, or an endless fractal that makes up all existence - and it most certainly has a scientific origin and explanation.

but it's also very likely that scientific origin and explanation is so far outside of what we know as possible, it would look like magic or mysticism or archaic power to our really young, naive human eyes.

i guess what i'm saying is the science to the universe, the ironies of life and the commonality of humanity, all of that is god - or gods, or science, or science is god. there is much we don't understand, and at the point in which technology surpasses understanding, technology appears to be magic. there is without a doubt a science and origin to any god that does exist, and it is without a doubt not mystic but just a deeper more complex technology that we can't understand yet.

but when it gets to that point, there really is no difference between 'god' and 'knowledge'. so that's basically what i believe, math and gears and shapes and patterns, all of that is 'god' and it's perfectly mundane and normal, we're just too stupid to really get it all yet.

[Westfall]

Was that so hard?

I agree with some of your point, mostly going back to the things our human mind could not fathom. Here's a loaded question, what happens when you die?