changing equipment

Christf · December 09, 2007, 06:52:24 PM

I think it's a good idea because if you always have the same weapons and stuff it can get boring after a while. Variety is always a good thing :)

Westfall · December 09, 2007, 07:10:25 PM

Quote from: Christf on December 09, 2007, 06:52:24 PM
I think it's a good idea because if you always have the same weapons and stuff it can get boring after a while. Variety is always a good thing :)

Variety is a great thing. You learn the more you play, and you learn which combinations are more useful compared to others. The, you change your eq. You can find different patterns in your eq that work better than others. You can even find eq that will work for all situations.

I just don't think it would be necessary to implement into PS. Its a fine idea for a game like CoD4, but this is a completely different concept we're working with. It seems a little outlandish for this type of gameplay.

Gawain · December 09, 2007, 08:59:46 PM

you can change you're eq for your next spy round. it's not that rounds last that long, usually <12min.

neth · December 09, 2007, 09:13:18 PM

I prefer the solution with one set of eq for whole round with no option to change during it.

Farley4Fan · December 09, 2007, 09:16:24 PM

I play stealth the whole way through usually. I never change my tactics. Even though my equipment can be used for both aggro and stealth. Personally, I think that losing my lives in the last few minute is a bad idea. Aggro usually leads to losing lives because you are closer to death every second.

AgentX_003 · December 10, 2007, 05:42:01 PM

GET A PC !!

Gawain · December 10, 2007, 05:50:10 PM

Quote from: AgentX_003 on December 10, 2007, 05:42:01 PM
GET A PC !!

haha one companion in my consoles-suck-campaign XD
seriously, there's no reason why you don't learn ct on pc in the meantime so that you can rather understand what we're talking about.

Westfall · December 10, 2007, 07:53:01 PM

Quote from: Gawain on December 10, 2007, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: AgentX_003 on December 10, 2007, 05:42:01 PM
GET A PC !!
haha one companion in my consoles-suck-campaign XD
seriously, there's no reason why you don't learn ct on pc in the meantime so that you can rather understand what we're talking about.

Getting a PC has nothing to do with this. At all. Anyone can decide what they want in the game. Its just a matter of the devs accepting it or not.

Tidenburg · December 10, 2007, 08:12:27 PM

Ya, just because PS is being released on the PC doesn't mean all PC gamers can jump up on their pedestals and act as though their say means more. I've played the game on PC and Console and the differences you claim in tactics don't really appear as obvious to me. For example, you claiming that there is less agro on pc is complete bs, its harder to do but its still there.

But. All in all. I agree this idea makes the game to unbalanced. It used to be my "thing" to learn what the merc had during a game so I could plan against him. If he could keep changing this each life then it'd be much harder to play.

Farley4Fan · December 10, 2007, 09:10:34 PM

I've played some PT on PC. Stfu.

Quote from: Gawain on December 10, 2007, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: AgentX_003 on December 10, 2007, 05:42:01 PM
GET A PC !!
haha one companion in my consoles-suck-campaign XD
seriously, there's no reason why you don't learn ct on pc in the meantime so that you can rather understand what we're talking about.

More like another fuckin idiot with their PC elitist BULLSHIT attitude. Learn to accept that you don't have to own a PC to understand SvM gameplay. I'm sure there are some console players out ( including me ) that could whoop your ass on console. And I am sure there are some PC players out there ( including people on this forum ) that could whoop my ass AND your ass on PC.

InvisibleMan999 · December 10, 2007, 11:05:50 PM

Quote from: Tidenburg on December 10, 2007, 08:12:27 PM
I've played the game on PC and Console and the differences you claim in tactics don't really appear as obvious to me. For example, you claiming that there is less agro on pc is complete bs, its harder to do but its still there.

Yeah, aggro is less successful on PC, but so is stealth. In general, PC favors mercs heavily, because of large screen resolutions, high quality post render, EAX and mouse-based sniping. Playing on PC tended to be more of a damned if you do, damned if you don't approach to aggro. Often times I'd go aggro when stealth plain out wasn't working, since there was basically no way of sneaking past a motion whore on PC without aggroing him, even if it's just a shock + nade + run.

Gawain · December 11, 2007, 12:23:52 AM

the level on pc is obviously way higher than on console.
as invisible pointed out, both aggro and stealth are harder on pc, but there are some maps that are balanced quite well (steel, orph, club).

SITHDUKE · December 11, 2007, 04:09:09 AM

I'd say spies on the PC have a much harder time than the spies on the console. Spies have to deal with EAX, high quality vision modes like EMF ghosting and NV-MT. I'd say PC players are better snipers but I've never played console so I wouldn't really know. How accurate and fast are the snipers on console Tidenburg? Do they all take shotgun/uzi instead? Is host advantage on the consoles too? I'm sure the console would feel like a completely different game for PC players and vice versa.

Anyways changing gadgets mid-game I think is a bad idea. That's how I won 3v1 on DA playing Boss House against QLemont and his posse. Hack some, use all my needles, run back to spawn for 3 more and repeat. If all gadgets are are useful in alot of common situations then there shouldn't be any huge need to switch them out.

Zedblade · December 11, 2007, 06:17:33 AM

Changing equipment mid-match is a bad idea. The game is also about planning your loadout beforehand and then using it to the best of your abilities. If you can just change when you want, that aspect of depth is thrown right out the window. Plus it's unrealistic, it is a game, but we still need to think about practical applications if we can. If this was real life, the spy couldn't just stop half-way through a mission and be like "You know what? I think I will bring my sticky cameras, lets just go all the way back to the insertion point, jump in the jeep and go back to HQ." :P

I do agree somewhat with Papa Skull, just in a differant light. This is an idea i've been talking about since PT. You can assign a specific loadout to each map, so you won't have to change everytime the map changes. For example, Clubhouse I would bring Uzi, Spy Traps, Nades, Mines and Backpack... while Orphanage I would be Shotgun, Nades, Gasmask, Spy Traps and Mines. Instead of always going into the equipment page everytime a map is changed, you can assign specific items based on to each map independtly, and when the map changes, it will automatically change for you. No more, OH crap it's Missile Strike and I forgot to change to sniper rifle. "HOST PLEASE RESTART!!11"

Maybe do the same with friends on your list. Depending on what 'buddy' is on your team, it will automatically swith to a pre-determined loadout. I know boddyjean always take camnet, so I should bring Backpack ect.

Farley4Fan · December 11, 2007, 06:31:21 AM

Think about this:

Mercs ONLY have 3 lives. SO they can only switch their equipment 2 times because of their life limit. You CANNOT refill your gadgets during your life. I never said you should be able to. I DO think that you should be able to switch a loadout between lives. Spies would only be able to change their equipment loadout a few times because of their life limit. You can't edit your loadouts during the game, only switch to different ones that you've set in the lobby or out of a game.