Nightvision

[neth]

It really doesnt matter how you guys play the game. The discussion is about buffing/finding new use for nv, right ? Or is it about who sucks ?

[Gawain]

Funny how you can call me a noob to this game and I've been playing since day one of PT. 

it's too obvious...

Going from point A to point B doesn't mean that you are completely noticable.  The whole path could be in the shadows.  At that point, why put on thermal?

Do you want another obvious example of when I use thermal to navigate?  Get ready for this one; when I'm running from point A to point B!  WHOA!!!

this should clarify it.

while moving you see different spots of the map, there are corners etc.
and why shouldn't i use tv when i'm sure the merc can't see me or when i'm playing aggro and don't mind anyways?

[Westfall]

Vega - 14
Papa - 0

[Vega]

You misunderstood me.  I said that just because you can, there isn't really a reason that you should.

I didn't misunderstand you, this is simply me refuting your original point that thermal isn't used for navigation; so I used multiple reasons to tell you why your statement was incorrect.

If you don't know common mine placement or you can't see a mine then that's your problem.

Simply a matter of play style, I like the mines to be very visible.
   

I know common mine placement and I avoid those areas or I chaff them.

As do I. 

Funny how you can call me a noob to this game and I've been playing since day one of PT.

Whoopdedoo, sure don't act like it.
 

Going from point A to point B doesn't mean that you are completely noticable.  The whole path could be in the shadows.  At that point, why put on thermal?

I'm not going to go over this all again, so I'll make this short.  If it's in the shadows and no vision is needed then I don't use them.  If it's out in the open and I feel there is no need to use thermal, then I don't.  Simple as that.  I never once said "I always use thermal when I navigate."  I said "thermal can be used for navigating."

[InvisibleMan999]

If you want ways to make NV used more you need:
-Maps with more shadows
-Put a fairly low max vision range on thermal, making it good for spotting things close but sucky for spotting things in the distance.

That way NV becomes your long range darkness vision.

Of course, I'm honeslty not even sure we need that. Personally I'd just say drop NV vision entirely and just have basic + thermal. I mean, this game doesn't have to be exactly like CT solely for the sake of being exactly like CT. NV wasn't really used, so we honestly don't need it.

[Test-Subject]

-Put a fairly low max vision range on thermal, making it good for spotting things close but sucky for spotting things in the distance.

no

[Gawain]

-Put a fairly low max vision range on thermal, making it good for spotting things close but sucky for spotting things in the distance.

no. it's the most obvious and easiest fix but why nerf tv when it's no problem?

[Farley4Fan]

Honestly Vega.  Do you ever turn on thermal vision JUST for navigating?  Do you ever just turn it on so you can find your way?  I HIGHLY doubt that.  But, you do say you can find mines while using it and moving right?  So doesn't that mean LOCATING mines?

[Westfall]

Honestly Vega.  Do you ever turn on thermal vision JUST for navigating?  Do you ever just turn it on so you can find your way?  I HIGHLY doubt that.  But, you do say you can find mines while using it and moving right?  So doesn't that mean LOCATING mines?

I use thermal sometimes when I'm navigating, along with NV and no vision. I do just turn on thermal to navigate. Got a problem with it?

You can locate and navigate your way by mines using thermal.

[Vega]

Honestly Vega.  Do you ever turn on thermal vision JUST for navigating?  Do you ever just turn it on so you can find your way?  I HIGHLY doubt that.  But, you do say you can find mines while using it and moving right?  So doesn't that mean LOCATING mines?

How stubborn can you be?  Didn't I just explain all of this to you?  I use thermal to find my way at times, just as I use night vision.  This is the same basic concept of you "using night vision to navigate," stop shooting yourself in the foot.  Locating mines?  You gotta be kidding me, no, I find mines with my amazing ultra extra sensory perception.  As a matter of fact, I don't even need my visions; I always know where traps and mercs are because of my ESP.  This is a waste of time, if you're going to keep ignoring what I say in favor of holding onto the last bit of dignity that you have left then I'm done spoon-feeding you these concepts.

[Test-Subject]

@Papa Skull :Why do you want to force ppl to use NV...

[AgentX_003]

@Papa Skull :Why do you want to force ppl to use NV...

good point test, speaking of nightvision ahh I truely miss white night vision .. because if light glared in ur eyes your LIKE HOLY SMOKES I GOTTA TURNZ TEH NIGHTZ VISIOnZ OfF

[theyearis1945]

Night Vision should see Lazer Mines instead of thermal, i mean a lazer doesnt produce a lot heat but nightvision can see it

or at least according to modern warfare

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QNIHTPTHrs0

i dont know if its farfetched to you but i think that seems pretty reasonable and realistic

then again i usually dont know what im talking about

[Test-Subject]

Night Vision should see Lazer Mines instead of thermal, i mean a lazer doesnt produce a lot heat but nightvision can see it

or at least according to modern warfare

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QNIHTPTHrs0

i dont know if its farfetched to you but i think that seems pretty reasonable and realistic

then again i usually dont know what im talking about

Nv (conventional) just amplify the brightness of the image it's sees and converts in green (because it's the color the human can best difference different tones). Thermal is set to pick-up light wavelength than the humain eye can't see... If the lazer heats the air you will see it.

I think militairy Nv can pick-up infrared (cuz it is use as laser-sight for sniper and other stuff like in CoD4)

+ lazer security systemes use infrared beams so you can "see them" with nv BUT like for normal light you don't see a beam(think of a flashlight) you see a spot on the all

[Farley4Fan]

Honestly Vega.  Do you ever turn on thermal vision JUST for navigating?  Do you ever just turn it on so you can find your way?  I HIGHLY doubt that.  But, you do say you can find mines while using it and moving right?  So doesn't that mean LOCATING mines?

How stubborn can you be?  Didn't I just explain all of this to you?  I use thermal to find my way at times, just as I use night vision.  This is the same basic concept of you "using night vision to navigate," stop shooting yourself in the foot.  Locating mines?  You gotta be kidding me, no, I find mines with my amazing ultra extra sensory perception.  As a matter of fact, I don't even need my visions; I always know where traps and mercs are because of my ESP.  This is a waste of time, if you're going to keep ignoring what I say in favor of holding onto the last bit of dignity that you have left then I'm done spoon-feeding you these concepts.

Why should we make thermal for navigating?  If we can see walls and everything what the fuck is the point of NV?  That's why I want thermal to register walls and edges more poorly.  Thermal detects heat.  If anything it should be made to the point where most things are the same temperature in the same area so you can't really tell the difference between a the wall and the floor, it would all be the same shade of blue ( which would be a pretty nice looking effect, almost as though you are walking on nothing)

I just want NV to have a purpose other than finding your way through a vent, because that is the only scenario where NV totally beats thermal.  Of course darker maps would help, but once people start to know the maps then NV may become useless once again to the thermal vision.  I say nerf thermal a little bit so it is harder to navigate with it, but still somewhat possible.