changing equipment

Started by BEAR, December 08, 2007, 09:03:31 AM

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Gawain

well i guess there's nothing more to say about changing eq while dead, it's simply bad for this kind of game.

Farley4Fan

I think refilling is bad.  Not switching your equipment while you are dead because you only have 4 or 3 lives anyways.  That means you can only switch 2-3 times.  And you have to die before you can switch.  What is someone going to do?  Run up to a merc because they forgot their stealth loadout and let the merc kill them?  I highly doubt it.  Is someone going to get themselves killed to get their aggro loadout with under a minute left in the game?  No because they will have wasted a quarter of a minute just by getting killed and respawning.

What if you didn't know that the spies you were facing were totally aggro players and this is what you brought:
Frags
Backpack
Spy Traps
Cam Net
and an assault rifle

Basically, if you didn't bring gas mask or you brought a sniper for a longer range attack, you'd be screwed.  If you were able to switch to your aggro loadout ( Frags, Tazer, Camnet, BackPack and an uzi )  you would have a better chance at winning or atleast staying alive.  Of course this all depends on your skill level and the enemy skill level, but it doesn't matter if you brought the wrong equipment for the job.

I've got a ton of examples of how this could help.

Gawain

the fact that it would help doesn't make it good for the gameplay. i'm sure rocket launchers would help both teams, too...
the thing about choosing you eq is that you later have to adapt depending on your "ressources" and make the best out of it. if you want both aggro and stealt capabilities, you can adjust your eq with you mate's eq, for instance one takes flash, smoke, sticky cams, bullets, the other one takes snares, chaff, sticky cams, hbs etc.
the fact that most good players takes sniper over 90% of the time shows that you stand a good chance against aggro with it (probably different in the console version).
there are also possibilities to lame with eq switching.

Farley4Fan

I take sniper 90% of the time.  But I would always rather have an uzi against aggro players.  Sniper works fine against them, but uzi works great against them.  People can still use their teammate's equipment to help their game.  One person could take an aggro loadout, the other could take a stealthy loadout.   Then if the aggro player realizes that the mercs all have shotguns and uzi's, the spy would know that the next time he dies to take a more stealthy approach with a stealth loadout.  THEN the mercs still have to make the best use out of their uzi's and shotguns because now both spies are using a stealth loadout. 

People would still adapt, people would still use their mate's equip yadda yadda..  It would just fix the problems where you accidentally take the wrong weapon or whatever.

Gawain

it would be nothing more than a mindless gadget counter game...


Test-Subject

Quote from: Gawain on December 15, 2007, 12:17:49 AM
it would be nothing more than a mindless gadget counter game...

you mean that for you the out come of a game is 100% on what gadget the teams took?!?!

Gawain

nope. but if you change your eq because of the enemies eq (who can change it too following this idea) things become ridiculous. simply take a balanced loadout from the very beginning and adapt to your enemy. you're point is not valid at all because opponents playing 100% aggro or 100% stealth is way easier to counter than an unpredictable mixture anyways, no need to add more options and reduce thinking.

Westfall

We're still discussing this whole changing equipment ordeal, yet we've come to the conclusion that it just isn't going to work for this style gameplay?

Tidenburg

What are peoples views on swapping weaps and equipment with your partner during game?

Westfall


SITHDUKE

Seems kinda pointless really...

Westfall

True, but still interesting. More of a time-waster.

SITHDUKE

The only use I can see this being is if you have to carry bombs like modems in PT. That way you could give your teammate extra bombs so the mercs wouldn't expect a spy to have so many bombs. Something like that anyways.

Farley4Fan

It could be nice.  Like if you wanted to switch the areas you are guarding with your teammate you could switch him guns if they work better for that area.