Ps3 or Xbox 360

[Hyrage]

I tested Command and Conquer 3, favorite game of my firend) and I can be as fast as I am with a mouse. It took me times to adjust myself to the sensitivity but it's really not a big deal once you handle the dead zone of the game (because it's not halo lol). But you are totally right, I would strongly prefer a Keyborad + mouse for an RTS.

C&C ain't a great test. You need to try something fast paced like Starcraft, where you have to actually micro units around and you are constantly clicking. Some of the better Starcraft players can achieve up to 200-300 APM (actions per minute) meaning tha roughly they are issuing 200-300 clicks per minute. And not just clikcing empty air but actually doing stuff.

If anyone can do that with a controller, then my friend, they are god.

Dude I told you it wasn'T about the thumbticks lol.. it's the buttons & shortcuts = keyboard wins LOLLL

[InvisibleMan999]

Whenever people get into a keyboard + mouse vs. gamepad discussion, I like to post Quake 3 frag videos.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3520996425810543110 - Get Quaked 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4392915597663174837 - Annihilation, by own-age

Those totally remind me why I stopped playing straight FPS on PC.

You run into guys like that and the game ain't even fun anymore.

[BurningDeath]

ut2k4>quake (except for the awesome rocket jumps) :P

waha .. never!
Quake > UT99 > UT2k4

[Hyrage]

Whenever people get into a keyboard + mouse vs. gamepad discussion, I like to post Quake 3 frag videos.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3520996425810543110 - Get Quaked 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4392915597663174837 - Annihilation, by own-age

Those totally remind me why I stopped playing straight FPS on PC.

You run into guys like that and the game ain't even fun anymore.

I understand lol.. but on my side I would enjoyed being killed by skilled players instead of super ubber auto-aim rookies lol... so R6 Vegas 2 was an opportunity and I wait for Quake 3 on x-box live.

PS - Gold > Quake 3 > PS in progress > everything done yet

[InvisibleMan999]

I understand lol.. but on my side I would enjoyed being killed by skilled players instead of super ubber auto-aim rookies lol... so R6 Vegas 2 was an opportunity and I wait for Quake 3 on x-box live.

Skilled players is one thing, but guys who are so good it seems like they're playing with AimBots, that's where I draw the line.

Honestly, I think one of the good points about controllers is that people can't do most of the shit you see in those videos. Sometimes slowing down the game play and making people less accurate can lead to a better game.

[Hyrage]

I understand lol.. but on my side I would enjoyed being killed by skilled players instead of super ubber auto-aim rookies lol... so R6 Vegas 2 was an opportunity and I wait for Quake 3 on x-box live.

Skilled players is one thing, but guys who are so good it seems like they're playing with AimBots, that's where I draw the line.

Honestly, I think one of the good points about controllers is that people can't do most of the shit you see in those videos. Sometimes slowing down the game play and making people less accurate can lead to a better game.

I totally agree with your statement, seriously. I mean, a thumbstick can really be mastered the same way you can master a mouse... but it takes more practice (skills) except if you are born with an uber-incredible talent for that. In my perspective, I played Quake 3 for months and Soldier of Fortune 2 before the gold patch (what destroyed the game) and I reached the top of the top. I understood that mostly all the players could quickly become great players and semi-pro players. On the console, because it's harder, less people are "great players" and the best of the best are really one level above any other players. The only actual problem on Consoles is the auto-aim for a few FPS. So the situation is exactly the same... than it was on PC... it's easy to be a great player and harder to difference yourself from the batch.

This is why I would prefer Quake 3 (pc), Soldier of Fortune 2 (pc) and Rainbow Six Vegas 2 (360):
It's harder to be great because there is no Auto-Aim and the great paleyrs... are really great.

The point is, everyone can use a mouse and become great with it.
No interesting challenge in that, but I also admit that we aren't all playing ofr the same reason.

You also brought an interesting point, why would a Game Developer slow down a game? We aren't talking often about that, but it's usually to give more strategies and Teamwork. If the game is too fast, you lost the immersion of having your Team mates close to you and you can run alone anywhere what become more individual skill oriented.

I guess this is why you could also enjoy CT and PS ^^. I prefer Halo 2 simply for that, it gives a more "teamwork" feeling than many other games. R6 is also doing that. UT3 is... well totally individual in Team Deathmatch.

[LennardF1989]

Wow, your English gets better and better. I love you make those essay-like posts :P I totaly agree that some games give a teamplay feeling, while most of the games are all individual... Then again, everyone is trying to get to the top (scoreboard), so why work together and risk someone else to be on the top if you can by working alone? In some occasions (like specific maps in MoHAA for example), it's better to work as a team. The problem is, in some games people just don't understand that and keep fighting on their own. That's why I prefer mods like Freeze-Tag, they force players to play as a team, without teamplay (or in this case, unfreezing your mates) your as good as dead.

[Gawain]

I love you make those essay-like posts :P

and i hate it. he could sum up his point in about 3-5 sentences instead of making people read monster-posts.

[Tidenburg]

Quake 3 > PS

*Leaves thread in disgust.*

[Hyrage]

Quake 3 > PS

*Leaves thread in disgust.*

You are totally right ^^, I had to change that  ;D

[InvisibleMan999]

I guess this is why you could also enjoy CT and PS ^^. I prefer Halo 2 simply for that, it gives a more "teamwork" feeling than many other games. R6 is also doing that. UT3 is... well totally individual in Team Deathmatch.

Yeah. the slower the game is, generally the more teamwork that's required. Honestly though, the slowness in halo just annoys me, because it makes the sniper rifle the uber weapon. There is like literally nothing you can do in the outdoor levels against a guy who is good with a sniper rifle unless you have one yourself. Halo 2 could use a run button bad IMO.

[I <3 U]

he couldn't. let him practise his english anyway, no harm in it.

[Hyrage]

I guess this is why you could also enjoy CT and PS ^^. I prefer Halo 2 simply for that, it gives a more "teamwork" feeling than many other games. R6 is also doing that. UT3 is... well totally individual in Team Deathmatch.

Yeah. the slower the game is, generally the more teamwork that's required. Honestly though, the slowness in halo just annoys me, because it makes the sniper rifle the uber weapon. There is like literally nothing you can do in the outdoor levels against a guy who is good with a sniper rifle unless you have one yourself. Halo 2 could use a run button bad IMO.

Yeah it's totally annoying, you strafe faster in Halo 3, but the hitboxe is bigger so there is no big deal. THe best thing is a movement speed between UT3 and Halo 3. Just enough fast to dodge the bullets and not to have a Sprint Feature.

I have a lot of work to do with my English, I know that. I'm watching your posts, it helps me on the long time run. I actually started the writing of a Game & Level Design Book, well if ever I publish it as it instead of a free pdf file, so writing here helps me a lot. However, I'm not going to publish it until I have more experience in the background [game credits] what is proably my anti-morron solution. You know, the jealous guy who will read the book, who works for 7 years in the gaming industry or just played video games for 30 years, who finds the book totally interesting and valuable... he thinks he could do it himself... but at the end he finds that the author never made a real Game of his life - WEIRD - too much for him and he tries to knock down the author because he does not have his experience, but he wrote something strong enough to make this morron jump from his chair...

So, I'm trying to avoid this scenario.

[this post is dedicated to Rambo 8) , not for the word morron but for the size... of the post I mean  ::) ]

[Farley4Fan]

By the simple fact that it is harder to master a 360 controller, the only guys who can be called noob are the Pro PC guys claiming that a Mouse + Keyboard is godly while it's so friendly and easy to use. Isn't a real man supposed to enjoy real challenges!!? Using a controller requires more skills and the Console Pro Gamers have truly something to be proud of.

Thumbs up

Now THIS is the most ridiculous statement ever.

1) I don't play a game so that I can spend all my time mastering the controls. If that's your idea of a deep game, go play Dance Dance Revolution.
2) What about the female gamers?

1) Umm, it's not that hard too master a controller but it's easier to master a mouse/keyboard for most people.  Don't make it seem like it takes a bazillion decades to learn how to aim with your thumb.

2) Real woman?  Real women shouldn't play video games as much as men do anyways, it's not attractive to me for some reason.

@Hyrage:

I'm watching your posts, it helps me on the long time run.

The correct phrase you are looking for goes like this:
I'm watching your posts, it helps me in the long run.
It was so close, just not quite worded right.  Just a little tip.  ;)

[Hyrage]

lol thx papa,
The english version is always shorter X_x