Game mechanics

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

2 notes @ Gawain.
1: Yea maybe i lag, but you played only once with me.
2: Maybe using scripts is cheating but at least i don't insult anyone here.

And on the other hand, the spies on PC have a much harder time, mainly because the controls favor the mercs more.

[Gawain]

2 notes @ Gawain.
1: Yea maybe i lag, but you played only once with me.
2: Maybe using scripts is cheating but at least i don't insult anyone here.

And on the other hand, the spies on PC have a much harder time, mainly because the controls favor the mercs more.

not maybe. and not only once (i play with smurf most of the time). and insulting cheaters and n00bs is not a bad thing.

[Succubus Dryad Of The Undying Comet]

So you say that the fact that they suck in the game means that they are worst than you are?
Also the one thing is that YOU was lagging then not me. It wasn't lagging, for me at least. Afaik you're not helping the community grow by insulting newbies, while you should be explaining them what they did wrong (well that's what i understand by 'helping the community').
btw - please come to scl if you want to turn it into a flamewar, since this forum should be used for development purposes.

[Gawain]

i guess you always play with big lagg then ::)
the probem is that i don't care about the opinion of noobs and hopefully so do the developers, as this project is clearly addressed to the vets of scct pc versus mode.

[InvisibleMan999]

invisible: is the balance better on xbox? the xbox version already has some of the fixes i wanna see for ps like normal post render, better camosuit (because of lower res; i heard about the green thing on xbox360 though), no eax superhearing, etc

I certainly think so.

PT was horrible balance wise for xbox (you literally could not stop an aggro spy at all), but CT is pretty nice.

Yeah, it's true camo got screwed up by the green outline on the 360, which sorta ruined that gadget to the point of being useless. Before then though, the camosuit was a great gadget.

Even ignoring that, stealth is a lot better for a few reasons.

First, the lower resolution generally makes MT a bit weaker. EMF ghosting is still barely possible but very hard to do, so it's not a balance issue. MT is still awesome, it's just not three shades of awesome like it is on PC.

The second thing is that mercs turn and move slower. This means that it takes a while for a merc to sweep a room, giving you more ample time to hide. Youre looking at a difference in only a second or so, but those seconds add up and mercs can't afford to check the corners all the time.

EAX is gone, which is good. Everyone is hearing stuff the same.

Also mercs tend to aim slower, so you've got a bit more time to react as a spy. This especially tends to weaken sniping. You generally will not see people using snipers in normal combat like some experts do in PC. Sniping is generally good for shooting long range or getting a stationary spy, like one hacking, but altogether it's a bit weaker. Merc accuracy is down in general, which tends to mean that the uzi and rifle lose a little, while the shotgun is more or less the same. The uzi doesn't really seem to cause all that much lag on xbox, at least not to the degree that PC players seemed so vehemently opposed to it, but then, I never really thought it was a problem on PC either.


As far as aggro goes, it's actually slightly better on xbox, becuase the mercs have a bit less control, and are somewhat slower with their gas masks. Still though, you can generally beat an aggro spy even on the box if you get your controls down, but it certainly takes a bit more practice than it does on PC.

Also, gas mask is essential on xbox. THe only real feature that I hate on xbox is the fact that you can't quick-turn while smoked. For those of you who don't know, a quick-turn is a special xbox move where you turn 180 degrees fast as a merc. This is generally essential in stopping aggro. In fact, one thing that made pandora almost impossible on the box was that without a gas mask, getting smoked generally meant you were dead. You had one option when you were smoked: charge + jump + quick turn. If you couldn't pull that off for whatever reason (like an obstacle in your way), then you got grabbed. CT was much better in that regard, but it still made gas mask absolutely essential against an aggro spy. 

Side grabs also still exist in xbox, as do some of the other basic glitches (instanades, funny punching, host uzi, host grab, etc.)

Overall it feels like you've got a better shot as spy, especially while trying to be stealthy. 

[Gawain]

quite interesting post.
gas mask is crucial in the pc version, too. not so much because of smoke nades, but because of sticky cams.

[InvisibleMan999]

quite interesting post.
gas mask is crucial in the pc version, too. not so much because of smoke nades, but because of sticky cams.

Yeah, gas mask is very important on PC too, but basically on xbox you multiply that importance x2 when facing a good aggro spy. I mean pandora on xbox didn't even allow SS+DJ, and it was still a pro-spy game, just because smokes were unbeatable.

[Farley4Fan]

Gawain, fuck off.  You have never seen me play.  Get an xbox, get CT.  Call me a noob then.  I am a noob to PC version you fucking idiot, you know why?  I have never played it!

[Gawain]

Gawain, fuck off.  You have never seen me play.  Get an xbox, get CT.  Call me a noob then.  I am a noob to PC version you fucking idiot, you know why?  I have never played it!

rofllol...getting a xbox XD
the point is, you are probably a n00b not because of different controls, but because of a general lack of understanding the gameplay at competitive level.
still waiting for your aqua stealth vid... ;D

[Farley4Fan]

My xbox is currently at M$ getting repairs, it wouldn't read any discs including CT.  It will be another week or so until it comes back fixed or a new one comes.  Yes, the vid will come.

The gameplay level isn't as high on console because it doesn't have all of those extra little perks and easier controls.  It is MUCH more of a challenge according to a bunch of you PC players.  I would love to see you try to pull off a triple nade with one button on a console. ROFL  :D

The reason I can't get as good as PC players is because it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so on a console, no fuckind duH!  I can't pull off a triple nade with one button, I have to push a series of buttons to pull it off and I have to push them FAST.  You just push one key such as the "G" key or the "S" key.

Do you fucking get me now!?  I understand that PC players are smoother players, it does not mean they are smoother players on a console douche bag.  I understand that you guys can roll through lasers without making a noise, I completely understand that.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT ON XBOX?!  Therefore we have to change our style of gameplay A LOT to succeed.

[Gawain]

it makes going stealth on aqua even harder. relly looking forward to seeing you twitting some console kids in greek ^^

[InvisibleMan999]

Do you fucking get me now!?  I understand that PC players are smoother players, it does not mean they are smoother players on a console douche bag.  I understand that you guys can roll through lasers without making a noise, I completely understand that.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT ON XBOX?!  Therefore we have to change our style of gameplay A LOT to succeed.

Realyl though, the gameplay isn't all that different, and if anything, spies have it tougher on PC.

Believe me, the ability to roll silently with a trick is nothing compared to the extra benefits mercs are getting with EAX and Super resolution MT. If you are for instance in the vent going to greek in aqua and pull out your gun (w/o laser), a merc with EAX can actually hear you in there pull out your gun. He can also hear you roll in the vent as well. Turn on camo, he hears that too. Pretty much if it makes an audible sound for the spy, the PC merc with EAX will hear it. He may not know the direction as precisely as with the sound detector, but if he's good enough he can make a good guess.

The merc/spy balance is much farther slanted in favor of the merc when you play the PC version.

[Farley4Fan]

Exactly, PC players have a lot of advantages on BOTH spy and merc.  Xbox players have a LOT less advantages/tricks/easy controls/one button triple nades (  ::) )  So what Gawain?  What exactly is your point?  It is impossible to do all the things that PC players can do, so how exactly could I not be a n00b by PC standards?  Everyone who plays console is a noob by PC standards.  But, by console standards, I am NOT a noob.

Hey Gawain, you're a noob.  A noob to console, just like I am a noob TO PC.  But by no means are we noobs to Chaos Theory, we are just noobs to the other version.

[Spekkio]

I love this forum. Threads devolve into either flamewars between PC and console, or how MT is this magic ability that nukes spies as soon as they set foot in the map.

[Farley4Fan]

I am not saying either version is better, I am saying that they are different.  People shouldn't call people noobs or say they suck based on their version's criterias or abilities.