The Assault Rifle Discussion

[frvge]

temp-locked since I see another flame coming. Unlock in 1 hour.

*forgot the time*

*is ashamed*

[Farley4Fan]

You should be lol

[Spekkio]

I knew what I said would start some sparks  ;D.

In all seriousness, the mercs have a lot more tools available to them on the PC than they do on the Xbox -- HQ MT, EAX, instant turning to any direction, easier aim. If the spies are going to compete with that, then they have to get better than they do on the Xbox, just like people were forced to get better once SS+DJ was removed from the game.

[Farley4Fan]

I knew what I said would start some sparks  ;D.

In all seriousness, the mercs have a lot more tools available to them on the PC than they do on the Xbox -- HQ MT, EAX, instant turning to any direction, easier aim. If the spies are going to compete with that, then they have to get better than they do on the Xbox, just like people were forced to get better once SS+DJ was removed from the game.

And since spies ALSO have more abilities on PC than they do on xbox, that shouldn't really be that much of a problem.  All they got to do is lock the buttons down to their playing style, get used to the differences, and use the features that PC spies have to their advantage.  Like I said before, crouch roll crouch, is a big one that console players do not have.  Assigning one button for a combo of buttons is also a feature console players would love.

Mercs can also instantly turn on xbox, it is usually done while in mid air though...  Spies also have EAX, don't forget that.  They can hear nades fired at them from across squat.

[InvisibleMan999]

Yeah, it's a map dependant thing. On most maps, Spekkio is right. The extra features of PC tend to help mercs more so than spies.

On steel squat however, high quality MT isn't really all that useful and EAX actually helps spies more so than mercs. So the extra features on PC tend to help out the spies in that instance. It usually does not happen that way, but on steel squat it just so happens that's the way it works out. Squat is a weird exception because it's a frag whore's paradise. And if you have no way of hearing frag from out the window, you basically lose.

Spekkio's argument as a whole about PC players being better than xbox players is flawed IMO. Just because spies tend to have a harder time on average on PC doesn't make them better. I mean, after all if that logic were true, then I could just as easily say xbox mercs > PC mercs because the xbox mercs have to get by with just a console stick, low quality MT and no EAX. Since mercs are forced to adapt to this environment, then they're going to have to get better than a PC merc would have to, who can rely on his PC enhancements as a crutch. Obviously, I don't feel that's true, but by Spekkio's logic, it would be. 

[Spekkio]

Yeah, it's a map dependant thing. On most maps, Spekkio is right. The extra features of PC tend to help mercs more so than spies.

Just remember: it helped them so much that it made you stop playing the pc version.

[Farley4Fan]

Well, I stopped playing PC after about a month.  I realized that I didn't want to keep updating my hard/software in order to play the upcoming games.  Plus my PC got messed up, and I decided to buy a console rather than fix the damn thing.  I didn't feel that one side was completely overpowered compared to the other.  You just had to adapt and change your playstyle accordingly to the other teams perks, as well as your own team's advantages.

But on steel squat, the map is ultimately impossible against good mercs.  The 2 seconds of hacking then run technique DOES NOT work in my experience.  Because, like Gawain said, a good merc will be ready to fire a grenade and do so within 2-3 seconds of hacking.  2-3 seconds isn't enough time to get out of the room when 2 seconds of your time is already eaten up by hacking.  And with so much grenades available to the mercs, they don't even have to die to have enough frags to last them the match.

[Spekkio]

Well, I stopped playing PC after about a month.  I realized that I didn't want to keep updating my hard/software in order to play the upcoming games.  Plus my PC got messed up, and I decided to buy a console rather than fix the damn thing.  I didn't feel that one side was completely overpowered compared to the other.  You just had to adapt and change your playstyle accordingly to the other teams perks, as well as your own team's advantages.

Last I checked, developers aren't in the habit of releasing patches that update the graphics of a game.

[Farley4Fan]

I didn't mean just for one game for updating.  I meant that as new games come out, you NEED to update everything, which costs quite a bit of money that I would rather not spend.  Example: Crysis  :o  Holy shit it would cost me in the hundreds right now just to update my PC just to play the damn game, add the $50 bucks for the game itself also.  I'd rather have an easier way to just have the same hardware for every game, which are all pretty good.  Obviously PC's are better for gaming, but consoles can be equally fun and entertaining.

On topic.  Actually, we were off topic in the first place.  Should we even go back to talking about the assault rifle or has that ship sailed for everyone else?

I'd like either a 3 weapon or a 1 weapon system, they both are good ways to go and would get practically the same result anyways...

[neth]

Its not really true that you have to change your pc every month... Besides, you dont have to play every single game that comes out. Its just better to find the one you like most.

[InvisibleMan999]

Just remember: it helped them so much that it made you stop playing the pc version.

Hell yeah, but that wasn't on steel squat, that was just on like every other map. The advantage is quite overwhelming most of the time. Steel squat is perhaps the one exception where spies benefit more from EAX than mercs.

[MR.Mic]

I was gaming on the same computer for 3 years, before I upgraded.
I didn't even upgrade for gaming reasons.

[Bionic-Blob]

I was gaming on the same computer for 3 years, before I upgraded.
I didn't even upgrade for gaming reasons.

8)

money-saver like me ^_^

[Spekkio]

I didn't mean just for one game for updating.  I meant that as new games come out, you NEED to update everything, which costs quite a bit of money that I would rather not spend.  Example: Crysis  :o  Holy shit it would cost me in the hundreds right now just to update my PC just to play the damn game, add the $50 bucks for the game itself also.  I'd rather have an easier way to just have the same hardware for every game, which are all pretty good.  Obviously PC's are better for gaming, but consoles can be equally fun and entertaining.

On topic.  Actually, we were off topic in the first place.  Should we even go back to talking about the assault rifle or has that ship sailed for everyone else?

I'd like either a 3 weapon or a 1 weapon system, they both are good ways to go and would get practically the same result anyways...

So long as you don't expect to play at some insanely high resolution, you can buy a gaming computer once every 2-3 years and be perfectly fine. You can also often salvage parts that don't age, like storage and peripherals, bringing the cost down to around $800.

It's still more expensive than a console, but if you factor in that you'd have to buy a PC on top of a console anyway, it equals out.

[neth]

bringing the cost down to around $800.

Perhaps in America or west Europe countries its possible.