Spy Stealth Weapon

[Spekkio]

Why wouldn't they give xbox players the ability to silently go through lasers? 

Control limitations. Crouch and roll are the same button on the gamepad; they are different buttons on the keyboard.

[Farley4Fan]

Then it's something they overlooked Spekkio.  It was not an added feature to the spies arsenal.  It's something that slipped in because they didn't test this game a lot, and obviously didn't test a lot on PC.  They just didn't put a lot of effort into PC version and just basically put a console version with PC controls for it.  That's a mistake on Ubi's part.  Why even put lasers there on PC if they intended to have a distinct crouch-roll-crouch feature?  It's because it wasn't something they intentionally put in, it just never got taken care of.

[Spekkio]

Pure speculation on your part, and it still doesn't make the maneuver a glitch.

Why even put lasers there on PC if they intended to have a distinct crouch-roll-crouch feature?

1. Because not all lasers can be bypassed in this manner and 2. Because mercs can "plug the gaps" with mines, spy traps, and camnet.

[Farley4Fan]

It makes the maneuver something that they didn't intend to have in.  Maybe not a glitch, but as I said before, something that they overlooked that could happen because they didn't do extensive testing.  Especially with all the possibilities on PC because of the controls.

Btw, what you are saying is pure speculation also.  There is no way to know unless we go up to Ubi and ask them.  I just think that my speculation makes more sense.  Why exactly would they allow different moves on basically the same exact game?  It wasn't because of controls.  If they intended to have crouch roll crouch in the game then it would be in both versions because the height of lasers are the exact same in both versions.  They would have found a way to fit it into xbox controls if it was intended to be in the game.  PLUS, like liquid said, this was basically a port from console.  90% of the game is the same except for the controls and glitches.  Crouch roll crouch fits in that 10%.  Since it is a port I don't see why any new features would be added.  It's a port, it's not uniquely made for PC, or anything.  I don't think that they would have put a unique move in just for PC to bypass security silently.

And I didn't know it couldn't be peformed anywhere.  That is also a reason why it makes it a glitch/bug/unintentional move in the first place.  If they intended it to be in the game it would work anywhere.  If you mean places that have stairs leading into laser grids then I know what you are talking about.  Like the stairs leading into greek from the tunnel, but I have seen it performed there.  So, nm.

And that seems like a waste for perfectly good mines and traps imo.  It may prevent crouch roll crouchers from rolling through the grids silently but you wouldn't have to plug them if this man

[Westfall]

Diving through lasers seems to show how the spy is agile in what he does. He can't make all the attempts, which leads to the mistake yea? And it gives away position.

When Spekkio says it can't be performed everywhere, he could be talking about some stairs in Greek room, for example. You can dive through sometimes, but not always. On polarbase, you can dive through the lasers. In the UMP version you ccan't dive through them if you are on top of the box. The spies were def meant to dive through the lasers. The only times they can't are when they are positioned too close to each other.

As far as mines and traps are concerned, its genius to place them there. The spy either has to die or get tagged when he dives through, or create a security failure which in turn gives away his position. Hes not so stealthy anymore. It deals with whether you as a merc will take the chance of placing 1 of your 3 mines/traps in that location.

[Farley4Fan]

Westfall we were discussing crouch rolling crouching through lasers, not just rolling through them.  You are right, spies are meant to dive through lasers.  Not silently roll through them with no downside to it.  When you dive through it on xbox, you will give away your position because it pings the mercs reticule.  On PC you get a free ride through them if there was no mine placed between them.  To me, that sounds cheap.  Silently getting security should atleast come at a price.  And that price would be the ss with the stealth gun in the game.

[Gawain]

plz drop the ridiculous idea of a stealth gun  ::)

[BurningDeath]

When Spekkio says it can't be performed everywhere, he could be talking about some stairs in Greek room, for example. You can dive through sometimes, but not always. On polarbase, you can dive through the lasers. In the UMP version you ccan't dive through them if you are on top of the box. The spies were def meant to dive through the lasers. The only times they can't are when they are positioned too close to each other.

Yep, and that's a good thing. Let the map-designer decide where he want's the spies to be able to dive through and where he doesn't.

[BurningDeath]

On PC you get a free ride through them if there was no mine placed between them.

Which means that there was a hole in the mercs' cover and they did a bad job. Nothing cheap to it.

[Gawain]

Yep, and that's a good thing. Let the map-designer decide where he want's the spies to be able to dive through and where he doesn't.

Which means that there was a hole in the mercs' cover and they did a bad job. Nothing cheap to it.

amen. can this discussion stop now? ::)

[Westfall]

Yep, and that's a good thing. Let the map-designer decide where he want's the spies to be able to dive through and where he doesn't.

Which means that there was a hole in the mercs' cover and they did a bad job. Nothing cheap to it.

amen. can this discussion stop now? ::)

its not even on topic.

[Farley4Fan]

Yep, and that's a good thing. Let the map-designer decide where he want's the spies to be able to dive through and where he doesn't.

Which means that there was a hole in the mercs' cover and they did a bad job. Nothing cheap to it.

amen. can this discussion stop now? ::)

no because he is wrong.  Mercs shouldn't be forced to guard areas that are meant for guarding.  Why should you secure security, makes no sense.  Why have them there?  Are you going to tell me that it is the mercs fault for not putting a mine or spy trap by every single security grid?  If so, that's lame.  Why even have lasers underneath the spy spawn on Aqua?  The mercs can't possibly beat the spies there and place a mine/trap.  And if the spies just roll through them silently with no drawback, why have them there?  It's obvious that crouch roll crouch was not intended and the game was not designed to have crouch roll crouch in the game.

[Westfall]

Yep, and that's a good thing. Let the map-designer decide where he want's the spies to be able to dive through and where he doesn't.

Which means that there was a hole in the mercs' cover and they did a bad job. Nothing cheap to it.

amen. can this discussion stop now? ::)

no because he is wrong.  Mercs shouldn't be forced to guard areas that are meant for guarding.  Why should you secure security, makes no sense.  Why have them there?  Are you going to tell me that it is the mercs fault for not putting a mine or spy trap by every single security grid?  If so, that's lame.  Why even have lasers underneath the spy spawn on Aqua?  The mercs can't possibly beat the spies there and place a mine/trap.  And if the spies just roll through them silently with no drawback, why have them there?  It's obvious that crouch roll crouch was not intended and the game was not designed to have crouch roll crouch in the game.

LOL...speak for yourself....I bet you I could meet you head on outside on Aqua. If you trigger the alarm because you made a mistake in your diving....well, there is your mistake. You hit them. If there is a mine or trap there, then you were a moron to fall into it right? crouch roll crouch doesn't even happen regularly. Its actually quite hard to do, and if you miss.....bam: alarm, poison, trap, or BOOM.

It doesn't necessarily have to be the intention of the developer for you t dive though the lasers or anything of that nature, but if you can do it?????? Well then, it shows you're a little smarter than the rest.

[InvisibleMan999]

I actually agree with Papa on this one. The disadvantage of running and diving through lasers is that you make noise. If you can do that quietly, that's a bug. It's no different than the vision glitch.

[Kurbutti]

I agree with the above.